Thread: Hmm.. inquiring minds wish to know..

Originally Posted by ChelseaRenee

If there was anything terribly toxic about makeup, women would be dropping like FLIES. I can't name more than 3 women who don't wear it, and I've never heard of makeup cited as a cause of death. That said, it's fine if you don't like women who wear makeup, and I'm glad you've found a women who doesn't wear it. But just because some of us do enjoy it doesn't mean we really give a darn what you think about it, to be completely honest with you. I do my makeup by myself at 3 in the morning because it's something I enjoy. There's no one around to see it, so clearly I'm not doing it for a reaction from someone, so it's not because someone else thinks it's pretty. It's because I do. And I feel just dandy without it, because I go without it all the time.

Besides, have you ever indulged in drinking alcohol? Smoked pot? A cigarette? Painted your house? Well then, get all those horrible toxic, dangerous chemicals out of your life! They're clearly unnecessary, and yet, I'm sure you've done at least one of them anyway. Why? Because it was fun for you, maybe?

Hostilities aren't necessary ma'am, I have no high horse to ride in on. I've done all of the above and plenty more.

However, painting a house not only decorates but also preserves the wood. Some functional purpose anyway =) I'm speaking more on the lines of teenage girls and the people around me who are incapable of leaving a room without first masking their faces in layer upon layer of really expensive goop. My grandmother used to say, "I have to put my face on."

I think there's a large misconception in kids, though. I mean, there's gotta be a link between all the commercials and advertisements and the like that these kids come pretty near to mirroring. I'm not so sure everybody that wears makeup wears makeup because they like wearing makeup, and of those people, not all of them could possibly be so hideous as to think it's an essential item to restore attractiveness or whatever else is running through their heads. Thinking about it would lead one to believe that someone saw something somewhere, recreated it themselves, then told someone else that everyone must have it, which then convinced atleast one other person that he/she must indeed have it. (A trend is what I'm getting at) and, is that really the message we want to send our kids? Do this because everybody else does, not because you want to?

And as far as women with makeup go.. I don't care. At all. On my mate, I don't like it though because it tastes bad, gets all over me, and digs into the budget for something I view as, more or less, completely useless. Also, on the issue of my fiance, there's so many people who try to tell her to wear makeup, and she tries to cave into it and her self-esteem takes a hit. THAT's what this is all about. I'm getting married. I want kids. I want to know what issues I will face, what causes them, and how to make sense of it.

I understand decorations and all of that, I see its place even though it doesn't serve any purpose aside from being pretty to look at, but what I don't understand is someone's taste in decoration being forced down the throats of other people who otherwise wouldn't have known anything was "wrong."

To spell it out -

"Daddy, Janet from school said I can't be pretty unless I put this stuff on my face."
While, no matter what, I will defer the issue to her mom, I'd still like to know what's goin on in Janet's head, and why the she's telling my kid she's not pretty, and what exactly it was whoever Janet got that idea from was doing when she came to that conclusion.

In this particular example, it's probable that her mom said something in response to this question - "What're you doing mommy?" - and her response was probably along the lines of - "I'm putting makeup on to look pretty for "

Not the best example, but should be enough to get what I mean.

Further note - That example has kids probably around 4th or 5th grade.. Stuff kids grow out of quickly, so that's not meant to be a serious issue I'm considering.

I'm more worried about the teenage years, skimpy clothing, tasteless music, and rampant promiscuity, and how I'm supposed to keep my kids out of that.

Seeing as how there seems to be a largely universal commonality between hobbies, it seems feasible that there is a solution to my worries. Just trying to learn more about the broad spectrum, which includes drugs, music, clothes, cosmetics, transportation, argumentative procedure, communication, etc etc etc. All of everything that goes into a lifestyle. My sister was always a popular girl in school, and ALWAYS had to have the hip new thing, and if she didn't.. there would be to pay.

She's still not happy, and is still just as confused as ever, but soooo many thousands of dollars were wasted for her to end up like everybody else.

But, in the same sense, it wasn't really a waste because for a few days, she was "happy". Woulda been nice, though, if the stuff that made her happy was also a good investment, or atleast had some amount of longevity.

and a more extreme example being circumcision.

Letting a man with a sharp object remove skin from your son's penis, purely for someone elses enjoyment.

Most circumcisions today are performed for family, cultural or religious reasons, or because the look of a circumcised penis is preferred.

http://www.betterhealth.vic.au/BHCV2...n?OpenDocument

That's messed up.. in a lot of ways.

and to further illustrate my point...



For better or for worse? I'm sure on multiple occasions he stated that he wanted to do all of that to himself, but how could anybody really want to do that to themselves?

I'm not hostile, it just seemed you're attacking women who like makeup as being vapid and completely lacking self-esteem, which is totally and completely wrong for most of us. When I see a women who spends zero time on herself, her wardrobe, her hair, basically herself....that's when I see low self-esteem. I'm not say it's true for all women, but if you can make sweeping generalizations... That's not to say all women enjoy that kind of "girly" stuff, but you can usually point out in a crowd the woman who didn't think she was worth spending 5 minutes of sprucing herself up. And I'd bet you millions if I took her aside, did her hair, makeup, and a little wardrobe makeover, she would feel absolutely stellar about herself. Because SHE looks beautiful to herself. Half the battle of feeling good is looking good.

And as far as you talking about 5th graders wearing skimpy clothes and makeup...that completely came out of left field. No where in the OP did you say anything about kids being sexualized at an early age, or the media's grip on today's youth, or any of the other tangents you went off on. That's not what this thread was about, and I have no opinions on those topics, so I can't really respond to that. As far as you posting the pictures of Michael Jackson in a "Why Women Wear Makeup" post... come on. Lmao. That's completely extreme. Same goes for circumcision. I get where you're going with it, but it's sort of off-topic, and again, as someone simply responding to why women like makeup, I've got no opinions.

I guess all I can say is that you're really making a mountain out of a molehill here. Do you get your haircut? Shave, maybe? Wear deodorant? Cut your nails? Those things are almost totally cosmetic, yet, EVERYONE does them. They do it to feel good about themselves, and yes, look GOOD. I'd say putting on blush is a lot closer to you shaving or trimming your beard than it is to Michael Jackson cutting off his nose...

Originally Posted by ChelseaRenee

I'm not hostile, it just seemed you're attacking women who like makeup as being vapid and completely lacking self-esteem, which is totally and completely wrong for most of us. When I see a women who spends zero time on herself, her wardrobe, her hair, basically herself....that's when I see low self-esteem. I'm not say it's true for all women, but if you can make sweeping generalizations... That's not to say all women enjoy that kind of "girly" stuff, but you can usually point out in a crowd the woman who didn't think she was worth spending 5 minutes of sprucing herself up. And I'd bet you millions if I took her aside, did her hair, makeup, and a little wardrobe makeover, she would feel absolutely stellar about herself. Because SHE looks beautiful to herself. Half the battle of feeling good is looking good.

And as far as you talking about 5th graders wearing skimpy clothes and makeup...that completely came out of left field. No where in the OP did you say anything about kids being sexualized at an early age, or the media's grip on today's youth, or any of the other tangents you went off on. That's not what this thread was about, and I have no opinions on those topics, so I can't really respond to that. As far as you posting the pictures of Michael Jackson in a "Why Women Wear Makeup" post... come on. Lmao. That's completely extreme. Same goes for circumcision. I get where you're going with it, but it's sort of off-topic, and again, as someone simply responding to why women like makeup, I've got no opinions.

I guess all I can say is that you're really making a mountain out of a molehill here. Do you get your haircut? Shave, maybe? Wear deodorant? Cut your nails? Those things are almost totally cosmetic, yet, EVERYONE does them. They do it to feel good about themselves, and yes, look GOOD. I'd say putting on blush is a lot closer to you shaving or trimming your beard than it is to Michael Jackson cutting off his nose...

Well, actually.. I cut my hair short so people can't use it against me. Also it's cooler (temperature wise, not style). Also makes wearing a hat more comfortable, hat of course is for keeping the sun out of my eyes. I trim my beard because my job makes me, keep it shorter so, again, it can't be used against me. Fiance also insists that I shave because I "stab" her with my facial hair.

Apparently somewhere in there everything was lost in translation. I'll state it if it isn't immediately obvious that I consider a lot of things at once, and my thread title doesn't necessarily reflect what I'm thinking throughout the topic. I'm building upon an idea, and people's responses to those ideas is how I gain alternative perspectives. In my threads, it's more or less MY thread that is grounds for discussion of whatever it is that's being discussed.

I will say, however, that in this particular thread, all of the things I've put forth have been entirely related to one another.

Makeup is an aspect of a teenage girl's life, which is what I'm trying to understand more about. I view makeup as a baseline in the "I want to be pretty vs I am pretty" mindset.

Circumcision is also a nice baseline, and Michael Jackon is the epitome of what I'm trying to understand more about.

However, in MJs case, his father was an a$$, but I've seen and know scantily clad teenagers (I didn't mean 5th graders, which I thought I made clear, maybe not..) that have otherwise "perfect" families that are pregnant right now by boys several years older, and that bear an image in complete contrast of their fathers.

But, if I turn on the TV, guess what I see? Something very similar. I want to know where this starts, and what changed so I can better educate my children, since the school system is failing, and may no longer be a valuable asset.

Watch this...
YouTube - Hannah Montana Dirty Photos! THANKS SATAN!
What the was that, right? Hannah Montana? Role model? are you serious? She's a girl being pimped out by her father, what kind of role model is that?

There rests my point.. What's wrong with people today? Whereas, legitimate makeup use may be viewed as a hobby, why, then, do some girls seem to think it's the be all end all to life, just like their latest albums, electronic gadgets, and tight fitting clothes that cover only the things that would get any man who glances their way arrested if it wasn't covered -- as an essential item in life that is more important than respect, education, and other silly things like that? <-- last part was sarcasm.

Why do trends exist, and why have they become downright unhealthy and dangerous?
(drugs, and promiscuity primarily)

I LOVE MAKE-UP. What a good question. It makes me look good. It covers my break outs and brings out the pretty side. Its shiny and in every color you want.
If I was the only pesron on earth, would I waer makeup, well that depends if there were mirrors, and I would so stock up and steal all the make-up.... not everyday I dont think. and it is horrible on your skin. But I love it and I have always loved it. I dont waer make-up if I'm alone. But I just plain feel more comfortable in it....HANDS DOWN

You're right. It's YOUR thread, apparently. Clearly we're not seeing eye to eye. I'll bow out.

Originally Posted by ChelseaRenee

You're right. It's YOUR thread, apparently. Clearly we're not seeing eye to eye. I'll bow out.

Hmm.. failed thread. No harm no foul.