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    I can see why it's so much more difficult to invent a birth control option for males.

    Think about it... there would have to be a drug that could somehow inhibit hundreds of millions of sperm... whereas women only need to worry about that ONE egg.

    I do understand all your points, though.
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    Yazwoman, I do believe you're right in that alot of this comes down to a control thing. It's amazing to me how women are often viewed, when in SO many cases we are the strong ones, the empathetic ones, the nurturers, the givers, the lovers, the persisant ones, the silent sufferers.

    Yes, it sure would be nice if it all just weren't up to us gals. I'm a FREE SOUL, I'm free.....and I refuse to be held captive anymore by the pressures and burdens I have accepted in the past. This is my body, and I have only one. It's high time we as women start living that, and quit putting everyone else in our lives before ourselves.
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    I may be a little different in my views of some things but... I think that as much as we want to have control over our bodies and make sure we are protected against unwanted pregnancies I think men should have more birth control options for the same reasons. Guys also end up with unplanned children when birth control fails or is not used - this should be a reason for them to want more options.

    Further to that - rates of birth control failure make me nervous. I'd like to think there was an option for both the male and female to take measures making failure rates far less likely....

    I am in my first committed relationship and looking at birth control options for the first time and my partner is just as worried about side effects as I am. The way he looks after me I think if he could take a bullet for me he would and if he could use a form of birth-control that presented less harm to him than the options that are presented to me I'm confident he would take it up willingly. At the same time... I think I'd still want to take measures on my end... (probably non-hormonal ones though).
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    Quote Originally Posted by ItsASecret View Post
    Scientists are working on it, but the proposed mechanism that would need to happen involves inhibition of testosterone which causes undesired effects in males. That is the simple reason why there is nothing out there yet, I have no doubt in the next 10-15 years that there will be some form of male birth control though. Big pharma companies are interested in the billions to be made from the first patent made for such birth control so the work is going to continue. It is not like they are purposely avoiding some type of male birth control just so that human history can remain as 'sorry ladies you still have to do the work'.
    Oh yea, I completely forgot about the other factor. MONEY. So yea, actually I agree with you here, ItsASecret. It might take some time to make one (male like "pill") , but I think they will, just for the sake of making money. (Though they are making tons right now with Women's I'm sure..) Money does make the world go 'round sadly.

    I suppose one could argue that the bc pill for women also has a lot of undesired effects in women too, but still they use it? Maybe they could find a synthetic testosterone hormone that makes a man's pituitary gland 'think' he's infertile (Much like the pill in women makes it think the woman's already pregnant.) I mean the hormonal pill is synthetic estrogen and progestorones. I don't know.. I'm not a biologist.

    Casually I asked some males in just kind of a curious way if they'd take the 'pill' if there was one. They were mixed about it.

    I'm just glad we have the pill for those of us that want to risk it. I have to say that the 'pill' has improved my life drastically. I'm a fan of better living through chemistry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beautiful Disaster View Post
    Yazwoman, I do believe you're right in that alot of this comes down to a control thing. It's amazing to me how women are often viewed, when in SO many cases we are the strong ones, the empathetic ones, the nurturers, the givers, the lovers, the persisant ones, the silent sufferers.

    Yes, it sure would be nice if it all just weren't up to us gals. I'm a FREE SOUL, I'm free.....and I refuse to be held captive anymore by the pressures and burdens I have accepted in the past. This is my body, and I have only one. It's high time we as women start living that, and quit putting everyone else in our lives before ourselves.
    Well put! I agree with this a lot. That is why I'm glad that there are options for us, even if it falls on our shoulders at the moment. We have every right as women to decide what we do with our lives, and bodies. Science may catch up (Will it become popular though, is the main cultural issue? It usually takes awhile for culture to catch up to Science in some things.)

    We women are strong and beautiful in all our forms.

    Note: Did you know that women account for 51% of the world's population?
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    I suppose one could argue that the bc pill for women also has a lot of undesired effects in women too, but still they use it? Maybe they could find a synthetic testosterone hormone that makes a man's pituitary gland 'think' he's infertile (Much like the pill in women makes it think the woman's already pregnant.) I mean the hormonal pill is synthetic estrogen and progestorones. I don't know.. I'm not a biologist.
    Absolutely the bc pill can cause some undesired side effects in females, but the problem lies in not all women are carbon copies of each other so finding a method that will suit all women is literally impossible on a physiological level (so far...).

    You are on the right track with the synthetic testosterone, a new derivative is likely going to be the mechanism for a future male birth control. Lots of synthetic versions are available, commonly known as steroid use in athletes and body builders who as a result of the steroids have the symptoms of low sperm count amongst the undesired things like bigger feet, more hair, supposed aggression ect. The problem is in the actual testosterone receptor inhibition. Natural testosterone runs in a negative feedback loop, this means if levels are low it tells the body to increase production, if levels are too high it tells the body to slow/stop production. The leydig cells produce testosterone which signal to the hypothalamus and pituitary gland. That pituitary gland sends chemical signals (FSH) to seminiferous tubules which are the production center for spermatozoa (hence steriods = high testosterone = negative inhibition = no/little sperm production).

    What researchers are trying to do is find a way to cut off the signals that testosterone sends to the seminiferous tubules therefore stopping sperm production without causing the negative inhibition of the needed levels of testosterone in the rest of the body-the absence of required levels leads to the unwanted side effects. So far no method using this idea has worked. Another method is to simply stop FSH from going to the sperm producing seminiferous tubules but that will require an immune method and not every male is going to react to that vaccine the same. Basically male birth control in theory works but still hasn't found its way to a working model in labs, and therefore not into the hands of the FDA and not on the scripts of doctors.
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    Wow! I'm impressed! Thanks a lot, ItsaSecret!

    *learns something new every day*
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    Great info ItsASecret. Glad to know that at least something is being considered. I'm sure that hormonal BC whether taken by males or females will generate undesirable effects, but the kicker is when the option is only available to one gender which then goes back to my frustrations.

    I can remember one pill, specifically Ortho Cyclen that I took for almost a year. Finally, after a year of rollercoaster health issues, a light bulb went off (don't ask why it took so long, ha!) and I did some research online. I was relieved, yet horrified at the same time to find hundreds and hundreds of people who were suffering the same horrible symptoms as me. I gained 15 lbs while working out regularly. I suffered nausea and extreme fatigue for at least 1 week if not 2 every month. The ONLY time I felt good was while on my period. So, I bring this up to my doctor who says "The pill won't cause you to gain weight....." "Hmmm.....lack of sex drive? the pill shouldn't cause that". So basically, he put it all back on me. My weight gain must have been something I had done...not the pill. Funny thing when I got off that pill, I lost the weight. It's incredibly frustrating when the responsibility is entirely left up to us ladies, but then our concerns and our side effects are ignored and pushed aside.

    Now, I'm agreeing with Yazwoman in the fact that if/when this male bc pill is released, will the male population be receptive to doing something that not only effects their "swimmers" but also may result in undesirable side effects? Hmmmm......hopefully in my lifetime I'll get to find out the answers to that.
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    It can be difficult to know sometimes what is true but I've read more than one source, that have seemed to be authoratative, that there is a "slant" to BC research. It is essentially driven by religious/cultural imperatives which still hold a belief and stigma regarding women's sexuality and reproductive freedom. This has been suspected of creating a sort hidden agenda, an attitude that BC and sex shouldn't be carefree and easy. There have been reports of meetings in the Pharma companies with individuals working on this research stating that it goes against their personal beliefs. If the people developing the product have conflicting goals; one being to create money making drugs, the other being religious conviction that restricting conception or having non-marital sex is wrong, it isn't too far fetched to believe they would have a leaning toward products with less than optimum comfort to use. Given the movement of doctors and pharamacists (in the US) who started refusing to prescribe or dispense the MAP to anyone and in some cases BC to single women, it isn't much of a mental leap to assume the same attitude exsists in research.

    Historically this attitude has greatly affected the approach to childbirth, gynecology and women's health. If you'd like a real low down on this read Mary Daly's, Gyn-Ecology and Jessica Mitford's, The American Way of Birth. Giving birth laying on your back creates muscle, nerve and tissue damage (this is why so many women have trouble with incontience and urinary urgency) and puts baby and mother at higher risk, yet we continue this practice routinely because it allows greater ease of use for various monitors and machines, most of which are rarely actually needed but rack up the dollars. The bible states that women should give birth in pain and suffering and this forms an underlying premise, conscious or not, for many working in this field.

    The attitudes go beyond reproductive health, for all we hear about breast cancer (until recently that research was done on men) heart disease kills far more women. Yet even today many health care givers who can readily recite the signs of a heart attack in men, cannot tell you the different symptoms that a woman will exhibit.

    We need more women and men in all phases of these sciences, who are not tainted by this kind of thinking. And we need a great attitude of responsibilty and accountablity. Both genders have a vested interest in preventing unplanned pregnancy there are men who and women who are careless about this and there are those who actually undermine efforts to prevent pregnancy. There are women who get pregnant hoping to entrap a man into committing to them. There are men who view getting a woman pregnant as some sort of badge of manhood - unfortunately they seem to be the least likely to view raising and supporting a child as badge of manhood. We need reliable methods of conception control for both genders, with the clear understanding that killing your sexual desire in the process is not an acceptable "method". You can bet that if a BC for men came out with half the side effects women deal with, it would be a flop. But then if women started refusing to use anything that had objectionable effects and said "no nookie until I get something that does the job right" we might see some real speedy results?
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    WC, gotta agree with you. I'm not one of those people that thinks everything is some sort of conspiracy theory, or that the world is out to get me, but much like yourself I do believe there is quite a slant on things as far as BC goes. I love that you brought up the issue of heart attacks, I was just thinking about that yesterday that they are often "silent killers" for women. But they're not really silent....WE are silent. We put up with and tolerate so much that we often attribute our ailments to "this or that" and don't want to be a "whiner", or perhaps just don't have the time to stop to complain about it. Doctors are quick to tell us "it's stress", "sounds like you're depressed, here's an antidepressant", etc etc etc.

    And yes, I agree that if men were taking BC and suffered even half the symptoms women do on the pill, they'd either stop taking it all together, or drastic changes would be made.

    The symptoms are notifiers to us......they are our bodies notifying us "hey there, this isn't working for me.....quit trying to make me do something I'm not made to do!!". You think men in general would sacrifice their sex drive, their weight, their hair, their complexion, their energy level, their moods? I'm sure some would.....but as a whole, I'm pretty confident BC pill for men would be very unsuccessful if it generated the same side effects as it does for us.
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