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    i've been wondering about this for quite some time now. can guys change? can they make mistakes and learn to never do them again or will they eventually, inevitably do them again?

    i've been with my boyfriend for two years. he's my first and i'm very much in love with him. he's made a number of mistakes regarding two-timing that i don't know if i want to remember or recount in detail very much, but that was before we became official.

    (but i suppose i won't be able to drive my point home unless i say a little bit about his mistakes). to keep it short, i'll just say that when we were dating, he turned out to have a girlfriend and i turned out to be the other girl without my knowing it.

    this has happened twice with him. both those times, whenever he'd finally tell me about his gf, he'd break up with her shortly after. (and no longer saw the girl after that, this i'm sure of.)

    the first time it happened, i really tried my hardest to stop seeing him when i learned about it, even when he broke up with the girl shortly after, but somehow i found my way back to him (i am obviously very smitten).

    during the second time, we were still just seeing each other and when he finally told me that he again had a gf (a different girl this time), he broke up with her that same night through the phone. he was really sincerely miserable about it, just as i was, and i'm pretty sure he no longer saw that second girl after that (because i look at her friendster.com profile all the time and she already has a bf not too long after they broke up) and anyone else for that matter.

    to cut the story short, despite those two experiences, he still, somehow became my boyfriend and we've been together for two years since.

    he knows that the thing with his other gfs hurt me very badly and from the time that we became an official couple i could see his effort and i could really feel his love. at the start of our relationship as a couple, it's been hard for him too because i become very jealous at times with his girl friends (which i think should be normal considering our history) even if there's really nothing going on, but he's been really patient with me about it. and whenever i ask him about a girl he knew he'd always tell me straight out who she was and how he knew her, so that i won't get jealous, or start doubting him. i can even probably say that he's paid his penance, cause i can be very difficult when i'm jealous.

    things settled down after a year or so, and i've learned to trust him more since he's been very open to me and has been trying his hardest to regain my trust.

    i know for a fact that he's been very faithful since that last incident years ago, and i'm very happy with him now. it's just that sometimes, i can't help getting uneasy because i don't know for sure if a guy can really change like that.

    some say if he's done it before, he'll do it again. i don't really want to believe that. i'd rather believe that people, guys in particular, can and do change...but i don't know.

    any thoughts on this?

    (i apologize if this turned out to be a kilometric entry, and i apologize too because i know other women have worse problems than this.)

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    What is so wrong about him dating more than one girl when there is no 'official' relationship? Dating is supposed to be about testing the waters, seeing what and with whom it works. Finding out what you want. The idea that because you go out with someone a couple of times that you have a relationship is not very practical. You should be careful whom you sleep with. bed hopping isn't a very safe plan.

    I don't see why this is a problem. It's like worrying about former gfs, it's past history. You need to let go of this. He's been faithful since you've been 'official', that's what counts. Obviously you are what he wants or he would have quit seeing you and gone with someone else. Be glad he tested the waters and chose you, he's less likely to be wondering if he'd rather be with someone else. But if you are suspicious and jealous, you could eventually drive him away. Relax a bit and enjoy him.

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    he was official with the other two girls when he dated me, though. is that okay to be dating when you're officially with someone already?

    but you're right, i should relax. in the end he chose me. it just worries me sometimes that he might do it again, (with me being the girlfriend this time.)

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    I'm torn. If he was young and immature at the time he did those things then maybe he could have matured and realized how hurtful it was. Maybe he won't do it again. People do make mistakes when they're young. I know I did some cheating when I was in high school but now that I'm older I never would. I don't know how old you all are.

    Part of me also thinks that behaviour of that sort is unacceptable, especially when he did it twice, and any person with common sense should be able to see the wrong and not do it.

    I don't think anyone here can give you a solid answer. You'll have to make the determination yourself.
    Well some people say that you shouldn't tempt fate, and for them I can not disagree. But I never learned nothing from playing it safe; I say fate should not tempt me. I take my chances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by someonereal_ View Post
    i've been wondering about this for quite some time now. can guys change? can they make mistakes and learn to never do them again or will they eventually, inevitably do them again?

    i've been with my boyfriend for two years. he's my first and i'm very much in love with him. he's made a number of mistakes regarding two-timing that i don't know if i want to remember or recount in detail very much, but that was before we became official.

    (but i suppose i won't be able to drive my point home unless i say a little bit about his mistakes). to keep it short, i'll just say that when we were dating, he turned out to have a girlfriend and i turned out to be the other girl without my knowing it.

    this has happened twice with him. both those times, whenever he'd finally tell me about his gf, he'd break up with her shortly after. (and no longer saw the girl after that, this i'm sure of.)

    the first time it happened, i really tried my hardest to stop seeing him when i learned about it, even when he broke up with the girl shortly after, but somehow i found my way back to him (i am obviously very smitten).

    during the second time, we were still just seeing each other and when he finally told me that he again had a gf (a different girl this time), he broke up with her that same night through the phone. he was really sincerely miserable about it, just as i was, and i'm pretty sure he no longer saw that second girl after that (because i look at her friendster.com profile all the time and she already has a bf not too long after they broke up) and anyone else for that matter.

    to cut the story short, despite those two experiences, he still, somehow became my boyfriend and we've been together for two years since.

    he knows that the thing with his other gfs hurt me very badly and from the time that we became an official couple i could see his effort and i could really feel his love. at the start of our relationship as a couple, it's been hard for him too because i become very jealous at times with his girl friends (which i think should be normal considering our history) even if there's really nothing going on, but he's been really patient with me about it. and whenever i ask him about a girl he knew he'd always tell me straight out who she was and how he knew her, so that i won't get jealous, or start doubting him. i can even probably say that he's paid his penance, cause i can be very difficult when i'm jealous.

    things settled down after a year or so, and i've learned to trust him more since he's been very open to me and has been trying his hardest to regain my trust.

    i know for a fact that he's been very faithful since that last incident years ago, and i'm very happy with him now. it's just that sometimes, i can't help getting uneasy because i don't know for sure if a guy can really change like that.

    some say if he's done it before, he'll do it again. i don't really want to believe that. i'd rather believe that people, guys in particular, can and do change...but i don't know.

    any thoughts on this?

    (i apologize if this turned out to be a kilometric entry, and i apologize too because i know other women have worse problems than this.)
    Believe me, every man is different. I'm a guy. It sounds like he loves you. He will try his best to change. I have never cheated on my first girlfriend and never will, and chances are, she will cheat on me before I will ever on her. However, this is not just me. Don't forget, he is also human, he will and has made mistakes. I'm sure you will and have as well. Recognize that he loves you. You are not holding a grudge and you are fine. It's okay to be jealous. I'm sure he's hurt that you're hurt. You need a set a limit for yourself. Warn him that if it ever happens again, there will be problems. Talk to him about it in person.

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    Well can guys change or ppl in general? That depends if they want change to occur in their life. Maybe you guys are more suited for an open relationship if he can't sexually commit to you. If this is the case why should you not be able to have sex with other men. He just has to learn to be honest when he gets the itch for another girl.

    HOnesty and communication goes a long way in any relationship.

    Don't apologize for your concerns that is what this board is for.... for everyone and anyone to be heard.

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    Guys can nevar learn!!!!1

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    thanks for the insights. =) i appreciate the differing opinions. i'm particularly glad to hear that most of the people here think that there's nothing to worry about.

    i agree with joy, if he really wants to change then he probably will. i can see he's been trying and i guess that's what is important.

    silvertae, i would very much like to believe that he was just immature back then and is starting to grow up. i heard somewhere that guys mature later than girls do hehe.

    and peace of mind, thank you for the advice. it's refreshing to be able to get a guy's perspective on this as i usually only talk about this with my girl friends. you're right, i should talk to him and set a limit. communication is the key!

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    I think Guys can be "trained" but changed? I have serious doubts and if so? Into what? Men are men unless you alter their hormones and do surgery ;-)

    Thats why when you date them you must be very very selective and be willing to toss the duds back! After they put a ring on your finger its too late!
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    I firmly believe guys can change. Yes, they have hormones and are driven by them (aren't we all? ) But one thing I have learned about men is that if they want something (or someone) they will fight for it any means possible. They can change.. they are human and can make mistakes and learn from them. In my opinion saying that thye cant is kind of like denying them humanity. But that is just my opinion based on a lot of things thta have happened in my life recently.
    If you truly love him, trust him to have changed for you.. obviously sounds as if he loves you very much!
    "Put on your big girl panties and deal with it!"

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