Life is all about compromise - it started the minute you were born.
This is a long story...I really appreciate anyone who reads the whole thing and has any thoughts they'd like to share.
I don't really know where to start...but i guess I'll start by saying that I am a boy, err...man. I'm 27 and currently in medical school, and I'm a student who, for reasons that will probably be pretty clear further below on this page, isn't doing as well as he should academically. But this isn't about school.
I grew up in a "typical" Indian Muslim family in the US, born of immigrant parents (who had an arranged marriage). Although my family was never overly religious, I was raised with the strict rules of not "dating" etc. What this meant was that I had to supress whatever sexuality I had in the ways that all boys do, but only for longer. Growing up, I was kinda shy and maybe even slightly socially awkward/inept. I had friends, and making friends has never been a problem. In fact, I probably have too many friends, and I can make close friends very easily.
However, I never talked to girls. In fact, now that I think back on it, I never even had the interest to talk to girls. Not even pretty ones. This was due mainly to shyness, but I also knew that since nothing would come of it, why bother. I was adamant that I would have a marriage arranged by my parents and future in laws, and that I'd live happily ever after...
Now most of my friends were raised with the same strict rules I was, some of them even more strict. However, what I didn't know was that most of them, by late high school at least, were talking to girls even if their parents would have killed them for it. I did not do these things for the 2 reasons mentioned above.
It wasn't until I was 23 that I realized/decided that having an arranged marriage was not necessary, and that maybe my parents would not really care if I "found my own wife".
However that seems like an next-to-impossible task, to me at least.
Its not that I don't see any attractive girls, I've seen a few. But twice now, I've been rejected flat out when I approached them. My buddies think its because my approach is flawed, or my timing bad, or I don't get silent cues. Regardless, they said "no" and thats what counts at the end of the day.
I would say, I'm an average looking guy - of course when I roll out of bed I'm not even that, but I'd like to think I'm not hideous. And this is where things get a little bit complicated.
For some reason, and I don't know why, but ever since I was a kid (and until rather recently) I had always assumed that I'd get married to a beautiful woman and that would be that. It wasn't until maybe 2-3 years ago that I started to realize that stuff like that doesn't just happen on its own (or does it???) and that I might have to compromise on something.
Perhaps this is where my fundamental flaw lies: my inability to accept compromise. I do not have Brad Pitt looks, nor do I have Bill Gates money.
But at the same time, I see plenty of average Joes hook up with amazing-looking women. True I have no idea about these women's personalities or their intelligence or other important things. But at the same time they can't be retards either.
Contrary to the above, is the fact that of my buddies, not one of them has a wife/BF/SO who is a "perfect 10". So why should I expect to be any different?
So these are the two fundamentally conflicting assessments I have about life in general, and my life in particular.
Am I missing something important?
Now all of this has affected the way I think and feel. Right now, I wonder if I'll ever find someone who I would appreciate and vice versa. It doesn't help that I was just shot down by a chick who got gamed by some other guy right under my nose. That hurt my ego quite a bit and I think I'm just now starting to get over it.
One of the things is, I tend to act a bit obnoxious and immature (hence the screen name) around girls I like. There's only been one girl who I didn't act this way around, but she shot me down too. The reason I do this is out of some sort of defense mechanism of "if she's gonna reject me, I might as well as well act like a ". But its completely self-defeating, yet I haven't been able to stop myself.
One of my female friends, who I'm fairly close with, but who hasn't known me for very long, recently commented that I act well "below my age". The comment itself didn't bother me, because she wasn't being mean, and she was in fact, correct. But it got me thinking, if she can get that read, that means everyone else can get that read as well.
But the problem is, is that thats my personality...my style of humor. I like who I am, and I don't wanna change just for some girl. But at the same time, what if no one wants to be the wife of the "class clown"?
There have been a few girls who have shown clear interest in me, but I was not attracted to them either physically or personality-wise. Personally, I just don't understand how people "fall in love" or how mutual attraction works. It seems as though I am a square destined to try to fit into nothing by triangle-shaped hole.
Am I doomed to lead a solitary life in that case?
Last edited by obnoxious; 11-23-2010 at 09:35 PM.
Life is all about compromise - it started the minute you were born.
What counts in making a happy marriage is not so much how compatible you are but how you deal with incompatibility. - Leo Tolstoy
The clearest explanation for failure of any marriage is that two people are incompatible; that is, one is male and the other female. - Anna Quindlen
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I think you're over thinking things a bit...there is nothing wrong with you and if you like to joke and that's what makes you you...then stay the way you are!!! Don't even change who you are for someone else, because eventually the real you will come out anyway.
Don't feel bad for being shot down 2 times...it just takes practice. I've been shot down several times and I've been told I am a pretty good looking girl. Everyone gets shot down no matter if you have Brad Pitt looks or Bill Gates money. Just keep trying and keep talking to women, eventually you'll find one that will be great for you. I have a boyfriend who is definitely the class clown, but I like that about him because he makes me laugh! Keep trying and keep your head up![]()
~Today, any person can fight the battles of one day It is only when you and I add the burdens of those two awful eternity's- yesterday and tomorrow, that we break down. It is not the experience of today that drives people mad. It is the remorse of bitterness for something which happened yesterday and the dread of what tomorrow may bring.
Let us therefore, live but one day at a time.~
Why not start by learing some of those skills other men learned in their teens by getting out and meeting and talking to more women? Do this just socially, casual conversation, with no expectations. Practice joking and flirting with lady freinds. Get out and do things with mixed groups. Also try attending events that interest you and engaging in conversation with women there. This should help you be more comfortable around women and to become a more skilled conversationalist.
As you become more comfortable you can ask a lady you have been chatting with if she would like to have coffee. This is fairly non threatening for both of you, especially if it is in a setting where you can take a few steps down the hall or the street to a coffee shop.
Yes, you will have to make compromises. Whatever you fantasized about women, we are all people. All women eat, sleep, blow their noses and go to the bathroom. Even the most beautiful woman has got some flaws, they just aren't important in comparisom to the whole woman. When you find that special lady who makes your heart go pitter pat and who returns your affection, there will be all sorts of things you will find yourself willing to over ook, just as she will overlook your flaws.
We can only learn to love by loving. - Iris Mudoch, British writer
Definitely! We negotiate everyday, it's a way of life. But don't get me wrong...you do not have to change the way you look just so you could get the girl - do it for you because you wanted to. Do something for YOU, not because of other people.
As for the girl of your dreams, it is good to have a set of standards, like you do. But I would add having "negotiables" and "non - negotiables", to make your "compromise" more simple.
Last edited by caterpillar79; 11-23-2010 at 09:52 PM.
What counts in making a happy marriage is not so much how compatible you are but how you deal with incompatibility. - Leo Tolstoy
The clearest explanation for failure of any marriage is that two people are incompatible; that is, one is male and the other female. - Anna Quindlen
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See the thing is, I'm actually a pretty dorky guy I guess.
Apart from sports (and how many girls do you know that would enjoy hearing me babble on and on about Michael Jordan's competitive spirit being second to none in all of sports), random trivia (did you know there are only 2 [i think] double-landlocked countries on earth?), and religion/philosophy, there isn't a whole lot of things I know much about. My knowledge of pop culture extends as far as the TV shows i watch and the songs on my iPod...thats it. It seems like all the interesting girls are not interested in talking (to me).
I don't mind flirting with friends, but I also do not want to give someone the wrong signal. I've had my heart broken open like a pinata before, and asides from vomiting, I can't say that life has too many crappier feelings than that. Thats not something I'd want to dish out to someone, even if inadvertantly.
It sounds to me like you're throwing in the towel already and making excuses. If you want this to happen, you need to accept yourself for who you are, and take some of the advice given here. Trust me, there are women out there who like guys that have knowledge and guys who are passionate about something.
~Today, any person can fight the battles of one day It is only when you and I add the burdens of those two awful eternity's- yesterday and tomorrow, that we break down. It is not the experience of today that drives people mad. It is the remorse of bitterness for something which happened yesterday and the dread of what tomorrow may bring.
Let us therefore, live but one day at a time.~
obnoxious, the one secret your buddies have not shared with you yet is, keep trying!!!!! Seems your just starting out man. The rest of us have taken those chances and got shot down. Most don't get it right from the beginning. We learn from taking chances. That's what makes it fun. Its called living life. You can't go into this only willing to accept a perfect '10'. There is no, and I repeat, no perfect girl out there. But given the chance, she could be, the perfect girl for you. And that's all that matters.
I am happy because I am content with who I am. My wife is not responsible for my happiness, she enhances my happiness because she is so good to me.
i'd like to thank everyone for their input...i guess i have to be more active in putting myself out there. i've been rather frustrated at getting shot down, even though all my buddies have told me that everyone gets shot down at some point for one reason or another.
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