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    I have reached the limit in associating with my in-laws. After 30 years of taking abuse from them, I have decided that I have had enough and I am no longer putting myself at their disposal to allow them to continue treating me badly.

    I have spoken to my husband about this for decades, and until just now, he refused to acknowledge it. He finally said, after 30 years mind you, that he realizes they ‘give me a hard time’ but he ‘doesn’t understand why’. I have asked him to intervene and speak to them, but he said no, that I should ‘grow a tougher skin’.

    I have seen 3 marriage counselors over the years, only one of which he would agree to see. All three concurred with me, that his family was not behaving properly, that he should intervene, and further more; he should protect me when we are with his family. He dismissed all three as quacks and would not act on their advice. I took some self esteem building sessions and built up the courage to confront my Mother in Law directly. She denied everything and screamed at me. I tried to approach my sister in law, and had the same reaction.

    I will give you just a few examples of their behavior, but I doubt you will even believe the stunts they’ve pulled. For brevity, I will list the most grievous incidents, rather than the 2 hundred or more they’ve acted out:

    When we first married, my MIL came to our apt., demanded my paycheck and my husband’s, and said she was going to ‘manage our money for us, put us on a budget, and give us spending money.’ She was also going to, ‘give money to my SIL, to even things out, so that one couple would not be earning more than the other’. I said no to this in no uncertain terms. I told my husband when he came home, and he said he didn’t believe me. I was also asked what size his ‘private parts’ were, and if he was ‘any good with them’. I refused to answer these women.

    SIL had an open house, and had asked me to sew curtains for her and make a 5 foot wreath for her great room wall. I did, not charging her for my work; she paid for the fabric and used my discount. I brought a gift to the Open House as well. I walked in; she took my gift, threw it on the floor and yelled at one of her kids to open it. I walked around and other guests would walk away from me. If I sat next to someone, they would get up and leave. My husband was placed in a folding chair on the driveway, surrounded by his mother and sister, where upon they introduced every guest to him, and his mother went into the kitchen to ‘get him a fresh plate of food’. She looked at me and said I was to eat from the food in the garage that had been sitting out. I walked back into the house and stood before the big wreath I had made her, and a man stood next to me and we started talking. His wife came up, said, ‘this is the we’re not supposed to talk to’ and the 2 of them walked away. I then heard my SIL telling someone next to me that she had hired an interior decorator that sewed all these drapes (the ones I made) AND the wreath. Even my husband’s cousins were instructed not to speak to me. I have no clue why I was treated this way, other than I have refused to be her slave over the years. I have not sewn for her since, and yes, she’s asked.

    There have been so many slights over the years, out right rude behavior, lies told about me, incidents imagined and exaggerated. My SIL has told everyone in my husband’s family absolutely horrendous stories about me. I should add that she dropped out of school in the 7th grade, and bosses and orders family members around. If they don’t do what she says, she comes up with something horrendous to do to them to make them do whatever it is she is demanding. Everything is her way or no way, believe me. I think they all do as she demands just to keep peace and so that they don’t have to worry about what she’ll do to them if they don’t meet her demands.

    I have had my MIL overnight hundreds of times, arranged for her to attend functions at the kid’s schools, sent photos of what the kids were doing on the weeks she couldn’t visit, sewn alterations for her clothing for her, convinced my husband to do repairs for her to her home (he’s not inclined to do so), taken her to see entertainers with money from my paycheck not my husband’s, we even took her to Hawaii with us.

    I have had family dinners for them, given milestone dinners for them, really took time to buy them thoughtful and expensive gifts. I get virtually nothing in return. They will spend $200 on my husband’s gift and tell me, ‘they just didn’t feel like getting me anything’. My SIL has grabbed gifts out of my hands and announced that it was something SHE wanted and I never see it again. No one does anything to corral this madwoman.

    The final straw for me was this past January. My husband went in for open heart surgery. We didn’t have any clue that he had problems. My MIL stayed 4 nights before the surgery, and just announced she was spending New Year’s Eve with us; she didn’t ask. She TOLD us. We had below zero temperatures, a snow storm, and here is my MIL, another person for me to take care of, when I just needed to be with my husband and kids and process the upcoming surgery. MIL came down without any change of clothes and not so much as a toothbrush. She refuses to shower, only bathing once every 2 weeks. She is elderly, and I have to help her walk thru the snow, get up and down, etc. I’m fixing meals for my family, and she is ZERO help to me. I convinced her to leave after 4 nights, and told her she could return for the surgery.

    My kids sat in the waiting room with me, and my MIL and SIL for the 6 hour surgery for a quadruple bypass. My sister in law informed me that my husband would need to quit working, and that I would ‘just have to learn to live without the money’. She said it so horribly to me. Never once during this time, or before or after the surgery, did they ask me how I was handling this, if I needed help with anything. If I needed help with the kids...nothing! I tired of listening to them talk about, ‘what if he dies during surgery’, ‘what if he’s a vegetable’ and on and on. I did what I could for my kids, having them work on homework; they brought a laptop and sat together. I lay down on a sofa and put my coat over me, more to shield me from my MIL and SIL than anything else. Would you believe my MIL walked the length of that sofa, and farted all the way across, and then my SIL burst out in a cackle. They planned it. My MIL has walked past me at family events and farted like this. Until now, I chose to ignore it. But with my husband laying on a surgery table fighting for his life, I just could not fathom having these women in my life anymore.

    My MIL stayed at the house another 4 nights. I took her to the hospital to see my husband/her son, every day, twice day, dragging her thru the snow banks and ice, dropping her off at the front doors, parking the car and then meeting up with her. We were told to shower everyday and wear clean clothes into the ICU to keep infection rates down. MIL refused to change clothes or shower. I had to remind her to wash her hands at the sink at the entrance, every single visit. The kids went to school during the day, and I did what I could to get groceries, cook, laundry, and visit my husband, and to bring his mother to see him.

    Well, after the 4th night of this second visit (her 8th night with me in a 2 week period); I felt that I was going to have a nervous breakdown. I would walk into my family room, and MIL was on her cell phone, saying, ‘Here she comes now. She’s walking into the kitchen. She’s letting the dog out. She’s going to frig....’ I told her that my life was not a reality show. I wanted her to stop calling her daughter (my SIL) and reporting my every move to her. She told me she would not stop. She was constantly on that phone, reporting every miniscule detail of our lives to anyone that would answer her call. She then told me that she had a recording capability on her phone, and she was going to record me. She set the phone on the counter, with the recording thing on, and left the room. I called my best friend, not caring if I was being recorded or not. I told her what was going on, and that I just didn’t need another person to take care of right now, and especially not a hostile guest that doesn’t lift a finger to help me. My friend said I had to ask her to leave.

    I confronted my MIL, and told her that it was time for her to go home. She screamed at me that this was her son’s house, and she was not leaving. She then walked past me three times, and farted each time. She went up stairs and slammed 3 doors. When she returned, she was extremely hostile to me. I told her that I was not trying to hurt her feelings, but I needed to get the house ready for my husband to come home (cleaning, bringing up a recliner for him to sleep in, getting groceries, prescriptions, etc.), and I needed time to myself to adjust to the fact that my husband is now a cardiac patient. I told her I needed time with my kids. (My daughter asked me the night before WHEN Grandma was going home; she was tired of her being here, too.) She put up such a fight, that I agreed to let her stay ONE more night. The next morning, I took her to the hospital to visit. She would sit there, wring her hands, and cry and spout the most awful things...about how he’s not going to make it, and she and her daughter know someone that had this surgery and give him 'medical advice'. She told my husband I was sending her home after that morning's visit. That evening, my kids went to visit and I stayed home to clean house and get groceries in as he was coming home the next day. My kids came home upset that he was crying that I 'hate his mother'.

    I told my husband that I am done with his mother and sister. I refuse to attend any functions or holidays were they will be present. If they come to our home, just let me know in advance and I’ll leave and he can have a nice visit. His mother has lost her overnight privileges here. I told him that he and the kids should continue to see them; but I’m DONE. I told him that if he chooses to visit his family, as he should, he will not suffer any repercussions from me.

    I see this as the only solution, other than separating or divorcing. Do you have any advice at all for me? (My kids are 17 and 21.) We have been married for 25 years and dated/were engaged for 5 years.

    My MIL passed away over the summer, unexpectedly. My SIL has become even more hostile to me, and has told the entire family and anyone else that will listen that I am horrendous person and any lie she can make up. On Christmas day, she was horribly rude to me, as were other in-laws. I am not allowed to speak a word in their presence now, apparently. My SIL asked me a question, I started to answer it, and she shouted at me that my husband had already told her and she didn't need to hear it from me. The rest of the day went like that until I just didn't say anything. My husband claims I am still 'overly sensitve'. He wants his family to vacation with us. I am so depressed. I am trying to get medication as I cry constantly. Is there any solution here? My husband refuses to confront his sister.
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    WOW! I don't know how you've put with this for so long. Are you still in counseling? It would probably help just to have someone to talk with. Your husband grew up with this and may not really see what the problem is. Your kids are more than old enough to see it and to help you out.

    Why are you continuing to spend holiday with them? HOW can your husband possibly want to vacation with them?! You need to be even more assertive about this. Usually I say take the high road but in this case I would confront the SIL publicly. I don't see it could make things any worse.
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    wow, I am so sorry for what you have gone through. your MIL was obviously a very selfish and uncaring person. regardless of what issues she had with you (if any), there was no reason for her to act like that. I completely believe in karma and in what goes around comes around, and this may sound mean, but i am sure she will get hers in whatever happens after this life.

    as far as the SIL, she is a similar mean person and will get hers in due time.

    in the mean time, you need to get your DH on the same sheet of music about your SIL. He has to at least admit she is being nasty to you. I understand she is his sister, but you are his wife. I suggest you tell him that wife and kids come first, ALWAYS. if he's unwilling to do anything about her, then you will and forbid her from coming into your house and being around your children. remind him of the very poor example she sets for the kids and how it could negatively effect their future relationships if they believe that this type of behavior is acceptable.

    you may also want to ask him something like "I know shes your sister and you love her, but do you really like her being this way?" and let him know you wont be abused like this any more.

    I think its ok if you dont want to go to family functions elsewhere, but in no way should you be chased out of your own home. tell your DH that they are just no longer allowed there, end of story!

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    The kids are really pretty much past the age where restricting contact will be of any benefit. At 21 and 17 they are able to make their own judgements, any damage is already done.

    By confronting I didn't mean ala Jerry Springer show. When you Have to be around SIL simply do not allow your standards for acceptable behavior to slip. WHen she starts in, call her on it. Why are you doing/saying/acting this? No hysterics, a calm, firm voice. Name her Carp. When you name something you take it out of the dark and bring it into light where it can be seen by all.
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    Thank you, Wild Child and Sperosi. Your comments help me to realize I'm not crazy in my emotions on this. I would like to return to counseling, but funds are a problem, hence the internet here. I have confronted my husband, repeatedly, and have just given up at this point. Since his mother's recent death, he is even more adamant that he wants to see/do everything with his family. I told him the events during his surgery, he asked his mother and sister, and they denied this behavior. He chose to believe them. I almost left him then. He feels it will help our kids to feel connected to see his family. My dtr has told me that she sees how they treat me, and she empathizes with me, but I don't believe in bashing my in-laws to my kids. My son is oblivious to it all, just like his father.

    Wild Child, you wrote 'why do you continue to spend the holidays with them'. What do you think my options are? To let my husband and kids attend and I stay home? I could do that gladly. I'm sure it is what my SIL wants. What happens when my nephews/nieces marry? Do I stay home from that, too? And then I'll have to invite them to my kids' weddings.... does this just keep getting worse?

    Also, confronting my SIL publicly, in front of other family members,...I did and she just started screaming at me and I couldn't be heard. I wouldn't put it past her to physically strike me. She can't bear the sight of me because I married her brother. Counselors told me not to take it personally, she (and MIL) would react like this to anyone he married. In fact, my husband is divorced. First wife lasted 6 months and my husband admits the divorce was due to their interference. My SIL continued to scream until my husband spoke up (first time in 30 years) and told her what I was saying was true. All other family members shriveled up in fear of her.

    Sperosi, my husband has told me he wants to be with his family. He has steadfastly refused to make friends during our marriage. He finds something wrong with every single couple I introduce him to. I have formed playgroups when the kids were small, babysitting co-op, neighborhood dinners. He found something wrong will all 50 couples involved. Ditto for work associates. I have a hobby, make women friends there or I wouldn't see anyone (except for some long time life long women friends). His entire life he was told to see only family, not to make friends with anyone.

    Sperosi, I will try your comments re: his sister and her behavior. I think perhaps he is afraid to confront her, too? This woman dropped out of school in the 7th grade and just terrorizes everyone. It's her way or no way. When she asks him to come here, I tell my husband I have other plans on that day. I also tell him he can drive and visit her whenever he wants to. She feels I am trying to keep her away from her brother. She takes advantage of him to no end. The times we have gotten together, she takes my husband over to the extent that she walks with him, sits next to him, talks to him constantly, and I am left behind, alone. She got tickets for a ball game and my seat was in the row BEHIND everyone. She bought food and drinks for everyone but me. I went to the stand and bought my own food/drink. My husband never even questioned where I was. She treats her husband horribly, lived with him before marriage, divorced him 'to teach him a lesson' and then remarried him and complains bitterly about him to anyone that will listen. He's a nice man, has worked very hard to support their family.

    Do you really think my husband will ever put me before his family?

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    HOLY COW!!! I think my jaw hit the floor half way through. How on earth have you lived with this for so long. 30 years?

    I would love to say, yes, your husband will eventually put you first, but man, I don't think it would be the truth. He hasn't changed in 30 years, not sure why he would now.
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    If your husband was told possibly "the only friends you will have in life, is family", no one else is normal, will all take from you, then that is why you are outed. And, we outed from day one. That is with the MIL, initially tried to take the pay cheque and manage it.

    She has instilled this in him, in her daughter, and controlled the entire family, this is / will not end, he will not stand up for you even after all this time, it's in their blood, the way they were raised and unfortunately it sticks.

    I am also gobsmacked over all of this and the years you put up with it, no one deserves a life sentence of crying and fighting for their rights.

    If he wants to see them as you say, fine... It's his family but you don't have to anymore, play the ghost, they don't exist and they will never see you again, it is NO to any "family vacations"....

    It's your life too and in this World who you are you only have the one life. It's time to just stand up for you. You are an individual person not a pupet on a string.

    You can't break something that has been going on for so long, with ill intentions from the other side. But, you can make your own stance and say no more for me....

    Your children are old enough to also not have to see them if they so desire.

    I am so sorry you've put yourself through all of this.... and that you married into it, really. I hope your husband treats you well outside of all of this, when you are just together, because if not and he is as bad as them and there are missing links here, then frankly, it's never to late to start a new life, I know, I'm 46 and starting one...

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    oh i feel so bad for you. i am not sure what else i can suggest. this first thing is that you have to get your husband to understand that her actions are wrong. have you talked about this with your daughter? I usually dont agree with getting children involved in this kind of stuff, but if she's daddy's little girl, she may be able to sway him into realizing its a problem. you dont have to bash the SIL to your daughter, but ask her how the SIL makes her feel and see if she has ever mentioned it to her dad, or if she would.

    the only other thing you could do if your husband wont step up, is to get a peace order or restraining order against her from coming to your house. drastic and may cause some grief, but you deserve to feel safe in your own home.

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    Thank you, Lana Bear and CW.
    I think you are right that he is not going to change.
    I was strong and independant when we married; I'm reduced to a puddle of tears most days now. I'm becoming more assertive, started standing up for myself in Jan. to them. I think it would be best to no longer attend their family functions. Thank you for that. They can do without my baked goods! I lost my job (co. closed) and have been unable to find work. I keep job hunting. Seeing all this in writing, and your responses, I think I would be better off alone. There is a lot to be said for peace of mind. I am primary care giver for my Mom and my sister (dev. disabled). I just can't take the stress of my in-laws antagonism toward me anymore, and my husband's refusal to see it for what it is and confront them or at least back me up. It is more than I can bear. Everyone has their breaking point, and I've reached mine. My husband's surgery was a real eye opener. I love him, and he treats me well when 'they' aren't around, but one phone call from his sister and he starts treating me poorly. I think he is unable to put me before his family, and my kids suffer, too. I was honestly trying to hang on until my kids were out of school, but the stress is killing me. I went to the Dr. with chest pains in Dec. I just have to figure on a life alone in this marriage until I can figure a way out of it?

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    I'm becoming more assertive
    Even the strong ones, fall to a heep if in some form of on-going abuse, mental abuse, verbal abuse, it's still abuse.

    Focus on only what you wrote that I highlighted for now... this will get you another job, it will keep your self worth where it belongs and it will keep you strong for now.

    It's obvious that you haven't seen the extent of this until now and now you look back and see it was always that way..

    We all have breaking points, maybe go back and see that Doctor for anxiety, that will make your heart beat faster, or did he give you something already?

    Start reading books on "positive personal development" and really, remember who you were.



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