What a situation,and you cannot do much about it. I have only one suggestion, never try to explain anything. It will never help and it just gets you frustrated. You are out of your league with them in being mean-spirited. They are professionals.
I am at my wits end with my mother in law and sister in law, and I'm hoping to get some good advice. I have been with my husband for almost 4 years. My husband is very close with his family and seems to constantly seek their approval, although he denies it. They talk several times a day, and seem to know every aspect of our lives. The issues all started when my husband discussed my personal financial situation with them when we started dating. I was a single mother for 7 years before we met. I managed to put myself through university and over the years I worked hard to have a good job and a decent income. The flipside to that is, I had some student loan debt and very little savings. My husband on the other hand has been very priveleged. He was able to become involved in the family business and do very well for himself, and also lived at home with his parents for many years and saved a considerable amount of money. I, on the other hand, did not have family that was able to help me, so I was forced to pay rent.
It all started when my husband insisted on building a home for us. I wanted to buy a starter home and renovate, as I felt this was more within my means to contribute. He refused and assured me it was fine, and I could help financially with whatever I could afford. Since then, I have given him almost my entire paycheck, except for my own personal bills which are not much at all. My debt has been since paid off. My sister and mother in law have accused me several times of being a "gold digger". To date, I still do not know what I have done to give them this impression. They have taken several comments I have made and turned them into complete lies. For example, once I told my mother in law that I wished I made enough money to be able to afford to work less so I could spend more time with my kids. My mil and sil then convinced my husband that I was planning on not working once we got married and was only using him for his money. My sil has also tried to befriend my family members and pry, asking them what they thought of me, etc., then telling them she does not like me. After the birth of my daughter last year, I expressed to certain members of my family that I was a bit apprehensive about going back to work after my maternity leave was over. I explained that it would be hard, and I would miss my daughter. I think that is completely normal feelings for any mother to have. I have never wanted to live off of any man's money and always want to hold my own. Again, this got back to my mother/sister in law and they verbally (and almost physically) attacked me twice this past summer and accused me of not wanting to work anymore, and saying that I was trying to destroy my husband's life and live off of the family's money. This could not be further from the truth, but they will only see what they want to see. I signed a very thick pre-nup before we married!!! I have been polite, helpful, gracious, and I know what a good person I am. So does all my family and friends. I know that should be all that matters, but I have to see my inlaws so much and it's SO hard when they obviously hate you!
Over the years, I have ignored many ignorant comments about my weight during my pregnancies, prying, yelling, and other forms of bullying/verbal abuse. I never engage in the verbal attacks. I went through some counselling this past winter and am being treated for depression, and I am now in a very good place and feel very good about myself. I am happier than I've ever been. My doctor tried to give me some tools to deal with "bullies", as she called them, but they haven't worked. My husband is always in denial and basically his family can do no wrong. There is always an excuse for their behavior "that's just the way she is", or "she's had a hard life". In the end, the problem is always mine!
My husband has stuck up for me, but is reluctant to do so and only has when I insist on it. One confrontation ended in his mother screaming at me, calling me good for nothing and every name in the book, and actually charging at me to physically assault me. I said nothing to her, and was only trying to leave the house. I am very quiet, and do not like confrontation at all. I try to avoid it at all costs.
I have tried having my husband deal with his family, and after the last big confrontation, I put my foot down and laid down some boundaries. I have stopped trying to have a close relationship with both my mil/sil. They dislike me, and no matter how hard I try it never matters. I don't need to be around people who make me feel terrible. I told my husband that from now on, my name was not to be brought up at all. They are to know NOTHING about me, good or bad. I have agreed to show up at family functions/dinners (which are often), but I do not speak unless I am spoken to. I try to answer questions with yes/no only and try to keep to myself. My husband agreed that I would have minimal contact and he would not disclose any personal information.
This past weekend, the same issues came up again. My husband and I are having a hard time in our marriage with a small baby and having no time together. I am also 5 1/2 months pregnant again. I jokingly asked him one morning when I couldn't reach him on his cell phone if he was meeting his girlfriend for breakfast, which I don't often do. He reassured me and we had a nice talk when he got back and sorted out some issues. Later that day, he jokingly told his family that I was being jealous! They looked very concerned, and he just kept laughing! I smiled and explained, but his sister just gave me a dirty look. My husband told me I was making a big deal out of nothing. Then over dinner, his sister went on and on for about 5 mins about how "huge" I am during this pregnancy, and proceeded to ask everyone's opinion in the house what they thought about my size! My husband joined in and asked me if I thought I was bigger this time than last time! My sil said I would have a 10 lb baby! I'm only 145 lbs and I think I look great. I know she is just insecure because she is overweight, so she picks on others to make herself feel better. I get it, and I was gracious and said nothing. It hurt that my husband did not stick up for me. Again, he insisted that her intentions were good, and she was only commenting about my pregnancy and I was taking it the wrong way.
At what point do I just give up? Is this situation hopeless???
What a situation,and you cannot do much about it. I have only one suggestion, never try to explain anything. It will never help and it just gets you frustrated. You are out of your league with them in being mean-spirited. They are professionals.
Honestly, there are just evil people in this world who will only see what they want to see. No matter what you say or do, they will twist it around and make it fit their own warped perspectives of reality. You cannot control others, you can only control yourself. I would personally not even go to any family gatherings with them, unless you felt they would be evil to your kids if you were not there to protect them. If they treat your kids fine, then simply stay away until your husband gets it that they are evil people and he needs to grow some balls and back you up. You are supposed to be his priority, not them. If he doesn't get that, stay away. Put your foot down and stand your ground. They are poison and you don't need that in your life.
Thanks, those are both good suggestions. I think I have to grow some balls myself. I always get caught off guard and flustered and don't know the right thing to say in the moment. I always think of clever things I could have said after. I should never explain myself, that is such good advice. Now I'll have to try to remember that in the moment.
As for refusing to go to the dinners, I have been seriously thinking about it. The thing is, it would cause a complete uproar with my husband and the family. My goal is to have peace in my life, but if it continues I think that will be the next step.
You are not a whipping post.. and should not allow yourself to be one! These are cruel attacks on you. Do they do this in front of your children..? That would make me loose it. If they were.. they would be teaching your children, that is appropriate behavior.. And that to me is NOT Acceptable!!
I have had a bit of the difficulties you state, with inlaws.. They were driving a wedge between my hubby and i.. finally i had enough. Stating that i am whom i am, that my husband fell in love with all that is me, if they cannot accept, then i have nothing more to say and or do with any of them.. And left with my kids. It took about 4 months but they would visit "our home", which before was unheard of.. And things were much better.. Every once in a while the Nastiness flares up. But i will not tolerate it.
Sometimes you have to stand your ground, and speak for yourself. But make sure you are ready.. As they will not take it easily..You know this..?
I do not understand the motivation behind people like this.. It is so petty, and destructive.. And lowering oneself to that level just to keep things civil.. Frustration, make one want to exclaim..Grow-Up..!
Olympia, thank you for your kind, supportive words. You made me cry lol.. I honestly am not sure where to go from here, despite all of the good advice. I have been doing some research during the last few days on narcissism and serial bullies, and the symptoms and descriptions fit my SIL to a T!!! She has every single one of them. I have read that confronting usually makes the bullying worse. Plus she seems intent on destroying my reputation to anyone who will listen, she has even tried to turn members of my own family against me! She is extremely cunning, manipulative, and clever. I am in over my head. I have a hunch that calling her out on what she is doing will make the problem much worse.
I am going to see my doctor about this, and perhaps consult with a counsellor to decide what my next step will be. All I know is, I'm at a breaking point and am going back into a depression again. My family deserves better. I also want to confront my husband about what I've learned, but have to do that carefully as well. I don't want him to think I'm attacking his family. I also suspect that all of the issues with my MIL are because of my SIL. I'm convinced that she has been poisoning her mind against me. The time that my MIL confronted me this summer, she had info that only my SIL knew (which was false!).
I'm in over my head, I think I need professional help with this one.. thanks so much again, it means so much just having support.
I fear you are very right in that you're in over your head. If it's true that your SIL (and I believe it is true) then that is a learned behavior that is mastered as time goes on. A spoiled rotten child who has no sense of responsibility or accountability for one's actions will grow up to be a preson who feels no sense of morality toward others. They will always do and say what is only in their best interests at whomever's cost. Just remember who it was that taught her these behaviors growing up and you'll see the root cause. Your MIL is just as bad as her daughter even if she's not as vocal about it. It's a passive agressive behavior that she is allowing her daughter to act like this and without reprecussions is in fact agreeing with what she is doing.
I'm also afraid that your husband may not be of much help. He grew up in the same environment and I'd bet that if you look at your husband and his father you'd see similarities where neither of them stand up to their behavior and have just accepted this. I would bet your hubby's just as frustrated and angry, but won't fight either for you or for himself.
There will always be boundries, but making love is so different, than having sex, let's face it. CW
ih8drama,
When i stated i left with my kids, i meant just left her home. I did not leave the marriage. Things are much better between us. And the nastiness is rare...
Counseling can be quite helpful. I truly hope that it will be such for you.. I just wish, as i am sure you do, that it would not be necessary. I wish you all the best and hope you keep us informed.![]()
Olympia, you are so sweet, and I understood your previous post, that you left the house and then waited 4 months until they came to you. I did walk out the last time she started yelling at me, things with her have been better since. My MIL seems to learn from her mistakes, I will give her that. She was extremely pushy after my daughter was born, thinking she knew best about parenting. She would give her pudding and sugar filled apple juice at 2 months, and would do this without asking me. Then I would have to be up all night with her because of stomach pains. Finally my husband had a talk with her and it stopped, now she minds her business. SIL seems to be much less inclined to take any responsibility or ever admit she was at fault. She can be so charming to others when she wants to be, yet such an emotional/social dud to the rest of us.
Pretzel you also have such great advice. My husband and his father are very quiet, while my MIL and SIL are very loud and confrontational. They totally wear the pants. It gets much more complicated, there was a lot of extreme abuse from my FIL when they were growing up. There are a lot of issues there. I've tried to be understanding but am quickly coming to the end of my rope. I also was abused by my father as a child, and bullied all through school, so now I have to put up with more? It's not fair to me either! When can I finally have some peace?
It's too bad there are no easy answers, thank you to all and I'll keep you posted.
Getting into counseling sounds like a good idea. You may have to shop around to find one who can really help you. You need someone fiesty who can coach you dealing with these people and keeping some private humor in it.
Make list of some of the common remarks you get from them and start thinking up some come backs. Rehearse them so that when a situation arises you don't have to think, you can come out with it. I would advise not letting your husband know about this since he doesn't seem able to refrain from sharing things with his family.
Bullies act from insecurity and a sense of entitlement. People who are nonplussed by them, who give them no value or power, or who can calmly counter them, make poor targets, especially in public or social situtations. I think if attacking you becomes a source of possible belittlement for them, they will back off. This does mean staying alert, showing no weakness and having some ammo. What are their weak spots? Where are the chinks in their armor? The trick is to stay calm, somewhat reserved and dignified. Ever seen the BBC production of Pride and Prejudist with Colin Firth? Watch how Elizabeth handles Lady Katherine and Binkley's sisters.
Deflection can work well in many situations. Cultivate a couple of 'tones' of voice, one that shows disinterest coupled with mild disbelief and one of polite I-really-can't beleve-anyone-could-be-that-ignorant. Practice some very brief responses such as, "really?", "really!", "Indeed?","indeed!", "If that were true, it would be something!", "why do you want to know?", "hummmm", "excuse me?", "what did you say?" you need appropriate facial expressions to go with these.
Can you raise an eyebrow?
Another option is to treat them with mild amusement, rather like watching monkeys at the zoo. A light chuckle or look of amusement can defuse many situtations. In any case immediately bring up another topic, ask a completely unrelated question or resume the conversation you were in, as if there were no interuption.
Comments about things like your pregnancy weight can be countered with things like, "my doctor thinks I'm a little on light side at this point". Then you can turn to your SIL and ask her if she's ever kept a food diary, you hear those are a good tool? It's not a comment on her weight but moves it back to her. If she has kids ask how she controlled her pregnancy weight?
"I'm sorry, what did you say?" can be very useful. You act like you didn't quite hear them. People are often reluctatant to repeat things, if forces them to think about it, if only momentarily. If they do repeat it, say, "that's very interesting" and just let it lay there. Follow up with an unrelated diversionary question, "did you have your drapes cleaned? They look brighter".
Stay polite and keep them kind of off guard. If they start putting down other people, you can make simple comments, like, "I'm sure there must be another side to the story", "Oh that poor thing, I hope she gets it resolved", "Oh dear, how sad". Don't feed it but let other people around know you aren't buying it.
You have to stay calm and cool.
If they really go to town on you. Turn to your husband and say, "I think it's time to be going." Start gathering up your children and saying good bye. Exit. No explainations. It's just time to go. If he wants to stay, great. He can have some time with his dear ones and you can keep your sanity. If he doesn't like it, just tell him that you are feeling sick. He doesn't necessarily need to know what you are sick of is his family.
I don't envy you the situation. My ex's family disliked me but rarely said anything to my face. He tell me things they said and give them more to work with. Not fun.
We can only learn to love by loving. - Iris Mudoch, British writer
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