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    Hello to All who read this,


    ~this time last year, i would have never believed that we are in the predicament we are in right now, never in a million years... if i was a betting woman, i would have lost big time.~



    i am married, just shy of 3 years, to a wonderful WONDERFUL Man. He is my life. I also have a Son from a previous marriage, and he is 19 years old. My son is my world!

    My husband (54 Y/o) and i(40 Y/o) met online, on a blogger site, in which we both managed our own blogs. we met at a meet and greet in Cleveland,OH. we hit it off!
    with some dating and blogging and dating some more, we decided to tie the knot December 13th 2008.

    While My husband and i were in our dating stage, he introduced me to his older (62 y/o) sister, And we hit it off also. Wow she was great! and so sweet and kind, and very giving- Emphasis on GIVING.

    well my husband and i were living in an 2 bedroom apartment on the south side of Cleveland in the burbs after our marriage.
    my SIL was living by herself in a one bedroom for 17 years, prior, in another Cleveland burb.

    every weekend i would ask my husband what was she (we will call her 'lolo') doing for her weekend? i did not want her to sit alone in her apartment. so we included her in all of our weekend plans,we invited her here and there, and even took her on 'friend' outings, because i for one didn't want to see her sitting home alone.

    so the first year and a half we were picking her up on weekends and taking her shopping, and outings and such.
    while out and about, she would casually bring up that she occasionally overhears her downstairs neighbors fighting, and throwing things at each other, and that thunderstorms scare her in that apartment (you gotta know my SIL she has a phobia for everything)doctors, thunderstorms, driving, etc etc etc

    ok...when we were first married, lolo gifted me her car, because i was in need of a car, and since she had a car that she was afraid to drive... she said i was doing her a favor saving her garage rent money... even though i offered her money for the car, she would not hear of it, she called it a wedding present.....mmmmmk.

    so then out and about one weekend... lolo tells us that the downstairs couple that fights all the time, gunshots were fired in the apartment and that the guy shot his girlfriend, and that lolo wanted to get out of that apartment. also she added cars were crashing into the apartment, accidents on her front lawn of her apartments, she wanted out of there now!
    well my husband and i talked it over, that since our lease was coming to term, and her lease was coming due a month earlier, that we would go in thirds on an apartment.... since we were all getting along just fine.

    FAMOUS LAST WORDS!

    move in day: Aug 1- and we are having to worry about two households. movers, boxes, cleaning... etc etc etc... well while we were trying to move lolo in to the apartment, we were kinda neglecting our own apartment, getting things ready for the movers that were coming the next morning. that night my husband and i were in our apartment trying/craming to get thing ready, lolo was watching us... (my husband has a heart history, totally fine though, two stents later) well we were trying to get some boxes into the front room, that when lolo went off on my husband, screamming at him saying that she was not going to watch him have a heart attack, and that if he moved one more thing, she was not paying to the agreed moving expenses that she agreed to- remember she is very giving- eeerrrr indian giving.then proceeded to employ my son, to drive her home to her apartment, not the new one... THE OLD ONE??? to sleep on the floor?

    should have known right then to pull the plug on this deal. BUT WE DIDN'T. benefit of the doubt.

    then everything is OK until January 2011- January 2, 2011 to be exact.
    The 1st of January she decides to quit smoking in the apartment... so she is getting more and more irritated. so she gets up and goes into her room and starts to clean,she comes stomping out of her room, and says to me I need more light in my room.... i said ok... remember that lamp you gave me for the computer room <remember 'giving lady' i got it for her and she took it back to her room. then she came out and barked at my husband, i need my bed moved, cause i can't plug in the lamp. so he moved the bed out from the wall.
    the next day, lolo gave me the fire i needed to clean our bedroom, so i decided i was going to re-arrange the bedroom, new year- new room. so i start cleaning and moving furniture, and i needed help propping up the mattress , cause it was in the way of progress. so my husband helps me prop up the matress on the side of the wall, so i can get stuff situated and in it's proper place. well when i get all done with the room, i come out to the living room, and that's when it happened. she jumped me yelling SHAME ON YOU YOU, SHOULD KNOW BETTER, YOU ARE A NURSE, HE HAS A HEART CONDITION. I was utterly Shocked? i was like did she really say that to me? i held my tongue and went back to our room and finished my job, and planted my self there for 1 week.... i was not going to approach her, because i was saving her~ from myself.

    so then a week later, i think i can carry on a cool conversation with her without escelating, i approach her, i ask her what was all that about last week, she said that she had a problem with me, asking him to move furniture. i had enlightened her that about 24 hours earilier she asked him to move her bed? and i asked her point blank if anything were to happen to him, would she blame me? and as quickly as i asked the question, she quipped, yes i would!

    lolo would always complain about headaches, backaches and such.( history of very, dangerous high blood pressure).. and i asked her when was the last time she had seen the doctor, she said 3 weeks ago. i said let me see your pill bottle, and then she got very irate with me saying that she was an adult, and that she didn't have to show me anything... you see i know that this is a lie,and i called her out on it. she has this phobia with doctors because of "the masks they wear"
    that was the moment she decided to hate me, because i uncovered the truth about seeing the Dr. and her taking B/P meds. she had the whole family snowed.... SNOWED!

    so i told her that since we went in thirds thinking we were all going to be healthy and carry this thing through, that i don't want to hear of my husband having a heart condition, if your not willing to take care of yourself, cause god knows that he does take care of himself, takes his meds as directed.
    and since he can't do any strenous activity, welp then i guess we are going to be the only married couple that can't have sex? and he will have to quit his job in logistics, huh? i did not want her using that he has a heart condition to her benefit!

    pretty much she was speachless......

    then the cigarette burnholes started appearing in my decorative rug not one... but 16 of them?all 16 right where she sits with her laptop, to fry her brain with facebook games.
    she tried blaming my non smoking son for???
    so when we called her out on the burn holes, she demanded the car back or the money, so we sold the car right quick, and gave her the money. and everything was fine.

    during this period, she was very generous, like insisting on paying for bus passes for me because she felt bad, and even offering to my husband to help pay for insurance because "we cart her around" in which i heard with my own ears also.

    we fell for it again.....

    we have been on semi speaking terms with lolo for a 2 months now, she says one thing, and then totally denies saying anything..... so we totally avoid her.... so that what we say is not twisted around and made in her favor. and no dementia is not an issue cause she works full time downtown as a legal secretary.... and reminds us all the time that she works for lawyers.. so this she portrays does not jive. i'm helpless, wait on me, when my tea jug is empty, you go get me more???... !!!

    long story short... cause this will go on forever

    present day: 2 more weeks until my husband and i move into our new apartment , she has been going thru our rooms when we are not here, yes we have photographs.

    this past summer i got a ticket for no turn on red light, well i paid the ticket in the nick of time, but not without a letter coming from the county, well guess who got the mail that night... lolo...she looked at the letter, and proceed to go to her job the next day, and look up that letter, i never told her about the ticket, but she had all the info for me???

    she has told, my husband and me that she does not trust us.... which i have been telling my husband since day one, she has trust issues, i just wish she would have led on to us before moving in together

    cause now i have to float the boat over at the new place, while my husband pays for half the rent over at the old apartment... so it's like were are going to have to pay for all of this like we are single, even though we are married.

    so tonight... lolo is MIA, she aint here, nowhere to be found, probally because we know that she has been going thru our room... we left cute lil notes in our room in drawers and in our bill basket "Having fun lolo?" and rent is coming due in the next couple of days... and my husband has his money in his hand and is ready to take his portion down to the office.

    it's not like we are kicking her out of the place, we are giving her the option of staying out the lease, so no ones credit gets ruined... and she is throwing a fit about it..... you know what i say... don't look a gift horse in the mouth, a three br apartment for 480/mth? good luck finding an 1 bedroom for under 600 per.


    believe you me, there is
    ALOT more to this.... but i am getting carpal-ish typing this.

    i guess what it boils down to is this..... have you ever seen the movie SAW?... Uh-Huh


    MID
    When you no longer can change the situation your in, REMOVE yourself from that situation.

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    Sometimes it is hard to say NO to living with " Family ". I am talking the Loving and Giving type of Family.

    And just like in a Marriage or Relationship, there will Be different Personalities. The Key here is to Diffuse any Negative. Living Together is not always Together . Sometimes its Co~ Habitation. My Room , Your Room, Common/ Shared Rooms.

    Put a Lock on your Door !!! Quit setting " Traps " If and when she see's those Notes, it validates that you know she is in there or Think she is In there . But then that adds to the Mistrust. And the fact that she can " Get to You ".

    That Knowledge ( hers ) gives her Power at least in her mind . So Lock your Door. Save the old Door nob and move the Locking one with you to your New Place, in case she visits there .

    When you say No Dementia , I am doubting that . It does not have to be Full Blown , just the Beginnings of it . On her trying to Protect her Brother from another Heart attack, she may feel more like A Mother to him than Sister, sometimes Big Sisters are Mothers when a Family is not a Secure as they should have been . She may just be " Mothering him " while at the same time ( if when younger ) having him help her with Heavy stuff .

    With you being a Nurse and Hubby having heart probs and her being a Lawyer ( assistant or whatever ) she should well know Invasion of Privacy laws, and she should be aware, just as you and Hubby are..

    Heart Patients just sitting on their azz is not good for them either . But exercising and helping someone move Furniture or cleaning the house is ok , to his Limit that his Dr says .

    I would suggest that you all sit down and get the " Control " back.

    Hubby Controls his life and Choices, You Control Yours and SIL Controls her's.
    Get a Lock, Get a Whiteboard and Write Rules and Guides to stay a " Family " even if you do Not Live together. You all can Still be Family and Love each other .
    Your are Asking . That is the 1st Step ..






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    That was a lot of venting

    If she has Bi-Polar, which I think you are suggesting, she will not remember things as we do, let alone have more than one identity and a fear of all sorts of things.

    Yes, it was caring of you to add her into your lives...But, marriage is exactly that, new, fresh, and togetherness... Having someone else in your lives, well as caring and giving as I am, I wouldn't do it.. I let my Father-In-Law to be stay with us for 3 months and climbed the walls Yet I love him, visa versa... But he knew that there was a time phrame to work within, until he found somewhere else and he stuck to that.

    You could try reverse physcology and reminise about the beginning of your relationship with Lola and see if that settles things...But ultimately, you have to regain your lives, you and your husband.
    Do we not realise that in order to find a soul
    It doesn't happen over night
    if truth were to be told.

    Like everything in life that's hard to achieve
    you must believe!

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    First off, i am sorry for the long winded, first entry... but unfortunately there is no cliff notes version of this issue that we are in. for the people who did stick it out and read it all, thank you!
    When you no longer can change the situation your in, REMOVE yourself from that situation.

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    Babygirl
    thank you for reading.
    you freaked me out with the white board...lol cause we bought one last march, when she accused us of stealing money from her, and that backfired
    we listed all the bills on there
    rent
    electric
    gas
    cable
    insurance< this is where the issue came up

    she said to both my husband and i that she was going to help out with the insurance because she does not drive, and we drive her, so she said it was only fair that we split into thirds like the rest of the bills?...so we put it on the white board?

    and she gave us money up until September for it....then she denied ever saying that, and once again accused us of stealing money from her.

    i just can't stand the mere idea of her rooting thru our room like that, makes my skin crawl, what is she trying to prove?same with her taking the info that she had seen on that letter, and finding out that i had a traffic warrant????(that was taken care of) well she might as well just have opened up that letter right there, cause what she did was the exact same thing. she just did with the resources she had at work, she opened that letter up electronically.


    she breaks my heart!
    When you no longer can change the situation your in, REMOVE yourself from that situation.

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    thank you for reading...... i know when i vent, i vent.

    i guess we just don't have anyone to talk to these days, lolo has all but got his family to turn against us.

    i don't know about bi-polar? i do know that she is leaning toward PPD paranoid personality disorder with mirroring tendencies.
    cause whenever we get into it...... which i TRY to AVOID AT ALL COSTS. she will always repeat what i say
    Ie: i stated to her "why do you hate me so much?"
    Her: "I don't, why do you hate me so much?"....... and that's how it usually goes. yada yada... verbatim... she loves to mirror!

    and the fact that she is bankrupt with the trust .... she has 0 trust in anything or anyone... i told my husband, if our lord and savior Jesus Christ, came to the apartment to bunk with her, she would not trust him.

    well i am so thankful that my husband sees this, and he is totally supportive of me... he tells me that he is sorry for her actions.

    and what's so sad about this is, she will not seek out help, because that involves doctors... the last documented time that can be proven that she went to the doctor was about 10 years ago, only because Lolo other sister "b" threatened her by disowning her, if she didn't go.

    and that's a whole other story, "b" is a nurse also, and she has told me on the phone, that she is stubborn, and we can't make her go... and that she needs help. but also B is enabling lolo to be the way she is... helpless
    she does not cook, clean, drive, take care of herself.

    probally because in the 62 years that she has been living.... 45 of them were either living with mom and dad or grandma.. and back with mom and dad.. the 17 years in her own apartment it was~ get up, get dressed, board public transportation, go to work, 8 hours, board public transportation again, come home, watch tv, fall asleep on couch, get up, take bath, go to bed... annnnd rinse and repeat, for 17 years... you should have seen that apartment 17 years worth of dust in there..... i should have pulled the plug then... another red flag~ hindsight .

    i bet, that when she moved in she thought i was going to be her personal caregiver?
    kinda like, i gave you that car, as a present... now you wait on me? ~an invisible price tag~ (without it being spoken)
    and she got mad when it didn't happen?
    i dunno?

    but as i said before.... she breaks my heart.
    When you no longer can change the situation your in, REMOVE yourself from that situation.

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    Mmmm you've taken off more than you can chew....If she has been cared for pretty much all her life by "someone" she isn't going anywhere...

    We all do things with "love" in mind, she therefore appears to be manipulative, she knew exactly what she was aiming for a place with people to care or her.

    She may have issues but she is quite cold, playing warm to win what she wants..

    I am not sure if your heart should go out to her, although it's evident that she's obviously had an non-existant life as we know it, boring, nothing...

    How did she go bankrupt?

    Put a lock on your bedroom door
    Do we not realise that in order to find a soul
    It doesn't happen over night
    if truth were to be told.

    Like everything in life that's hard to achieve
    you must believe!

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    no not bankrupt with money, her trust is bankrupt... cause she has zero, negative zero...her favorite saying is "ARE YOU SURE?"... over and over and over.

    yea non exsistant is about right, i think when we moved in together i think we short circuited her, with too much real life.

    we had visited a lawyer about her looking up my info at work... and the lawyer said "it's public domain, anyone can look up anyone these days.Hey why don't you look something up on her?"<<<< non exsistant life, wont find anything?
    at her old apartment... she was still trying to watch an old console tv, and cable was voodoo.
    so the lawyer was of no help to me... i know it's invasion of privacy/bordering identity tampering.

    what are my legal options? not only for looking up my stuff at work, but going thru my at home, what else is she looking up?
    When you no longer can change the situation your in, REMOVE yourself from that situation.

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    correction entry:
    what are my legal options? not only for looking up my stuff at work, but going thru my ROOM at home, what else is she looking up?
    When you no longer can change the situation your in, REMOVE yourself from that situation.

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    She's family, she lives there, she is not breaking and entering, she is what I call conducting an "invasion of privacy" to which someone would say, well why didn't you put a lock on the door? Preventive medicine...

    She sounds 62 going on 82, as far as the way she chooses to live, have you explored options of moving yourselves to something smaller, with oh sorry this is all we could find and afford? That may be your next step....
    Do we not realise that in order to find a soul
    It doesn't happen over night
    if truth were to be told.

    Like everything in life that's hard to achieve
    you must believe!

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