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    this is very hard for me. I've searched the internet for somewhere to talk about this, and finally found this.

    I have been having dreams about my dad molesting children for about 5 years now. Only about 1 or 2 a year, I think I've had about 7 now. The problem really is that my dad has said weird things, usually over dinner. He has made weird comments regarding children and sex. The two main big ones were once we were talking about a case in the news (it was just my dad and I that night) about a 19 year old guy who had a consensual sexual relationship with a 17 year old girl, and he was being prosecuted for statutory rape. and we both said that that's kinda ridiculous. Then we started talking about "how young is too young?" though, and I don't remember what he said but I started to get a little worried about the way he was talking about it. Then I just remember getting upset with him and I said, well dad, "do you think 12 is too young? do you think 6 is too young"...and then these were his exact words...

    "well every case is different"

    the other time he brought up something else in the news, that case about a year ago with the guy that videotaped himself raping a three year old. And he brought it up...we were talking about how they exploited poor Natalie Holloway and how the media exploits things and puts too much attention on certain things at the expense of other things....well he brought up the case of the three year old and then at some point he said, and I quote:

    "it's like they want you to think sex is bad"

    well each time something like this happens, or I have a dream, I worry about it for a while, then forget about it because i don't have any memories at all of him doing anything to me when I was a kid.

    I also love my dad dearly and most of the time he seems really utterly harmless to me, he's kinda a nerd, computer job and pocket protector and all. And we've had lots of good times together.

    But other times I get this feeling of uneasiness. Especially the days after I've had a dream. Then I look at him and get this really creepy scared feeling.

    My dad also suffers from fairly severe paranoia, government keeping tabs on him and all. My mom has tried to explain away his "weird" comments by saying that it's part of his paranoia, that he worries about anyone thinking bad things about him, but he would never REALLY do that to a kid, and he is not interested in it either. However, I have been using the net to study up on things (which is risky cause even if my dad is not a child molester and is really my sweet dad and not a danger to me, he would still freak out because of his paranoia and probably never speak to me again...he is a computer guy so I've been worried I've been clearing my history and all but....)_...and I've found some psychological articles saying that certain mental illnesses, including paranoia, are more prevalent in pedophiles that the rest of the population.

    I am really hoping this is not true, but i'm also really frustrated that my family and my therapist (those are the only people I've told) are not taking me seriously at ALL. completely dismissing me, even though it's NOT just the dreams, it's also his "weird" comments, which they all admit are....weird. Also I should say I believe if I remember correctly that the dreams started before he made his first "weird" comment, and they've been getting more and more disturbing, each one.

    I've never felt so completely dismissed and shut up in my whole life. No one is listening and although I REALLY don't want to believe it about my dad, cause I love him, I also can't get over this creepy feeling and I've been feeling sick to my stomach all day.

    well any thoughts on this would be appreciated.

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    I dont want to sound out of line here and im pretty sure it is so please excuse me...could it have happened to you at a young young age? So you dont remember but its in your subconcious...therefore happening in dreams? Thats just a thought, a horrible one, feel free to dismiss it



    It's a very strange situation to be in and if no-one will take you seriously then the only person to ask is your dad and i doubt there'd be a positive outcome whether its falling out with your dad or finding out something your not sure you want to know?


    I'd try and avoide all children related conversations, dont give him the oppertunity to make the comments i guess

    Im stumped on this thread i really am, sorry i couldnt be of more help

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    I'm a little bit sceptical, to be honest.

    I mean, every case is different. I've known 14 year old girls who enjoy going out and getting shagged by 25 year olds, and even though they're stup1d and naive, they are ready for it.... And there are 18 year olds who simply are not ready for sex, so it is all case dependant.

    And most things in the world these days do try to make you think sex is bad. All you get taught at school is diseases and unwanted pregnancy. He could just be trying to get you to love yourself, and be an open person instead of being totally repressed.

    I would say it's true that paedophiles would be likely to be paranoid, since anyone who does something illegal has reason to be paranoid. However, paranoia (and habits) can be quite heriditary, so you could just be being totally paranoid.

    People are notorious at not listening to talk like this though, even to someone who's been assaulted, there's this big world of denial, especially from the mothers.


    Personally.... I doubt it. I'd also point out that, for example in England the age of consent is 16, 18 is simply stup1d. Every guy has fantasized about having sex with a 17 year old girl - it doesn't make them a paedophile though.

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    There is a big range between "a little odd", and a "child molestor". Sounds like your dad is a little odd. He may find the topic a bit inappropriately interesting. He may just enjoy the shock value of talking about the forbidden. It doesn't sound like you have any reason to think he has actually done somethign. But I can see how it would be creepy. Is he around young children?

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    that's not fair saying about how I might be paranoid just because my dad is. I have other mental problems probably passed down from him, but not that. I know you'll say, "but how would you know you're not paranoid, all paranoid people think they're sane and what they think is real"...but that's not it. I am basing this not just on dreams, but on real comments that my mom has heard as well. I'm not at all sure that my dad really is this, I really hope not, but anyway even if he isn't, it's pretty disgusting that he's made these comments (there's been more than just what I said on here), even if just for "shock value" and how am I supposed to look at my dad the same? There's really no excuse for comments like that but everybody else thinks there is, and I think it's natural for it to raise questions in me.

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    Also, AWF, I agree that it's normal for adult guys to be attracted to 16 and 17 year old girls.. but just before my dad made that comment, I said, "well dad, do you think SIX is too young" And that was when he made the comment, he definitely heard what I said too, I said it loudly and clearly. Maybe he was still talking about the 17 year old, but I don't think so.

    Also, yes, I have thought of the idea that he did something to me and my sister when we were too young to remember now. That's what I was "told" in a dream I had, that he had done that to us but he stopped at about five so we wouldn't remember when we got older.

    I really hope that it's not true, and to tell you the truth my dad is in the other room ,and he seems so harmless and I've been having memories of him (not specific ones, but just a general feeling) of having fun with him as a kid and him just being a regular old dad and giving regular old hugs. But I"m still not sure. And to be honest, I'm completely FURIOUS at society (and my therapist specifically, I understand with my family because they really don't want to believe something like that) for not taking things like this seriously. All I want is to be heard, I ALSO want to be proven wrong, I love my dad, but I can't let this go until I am sure. If my dad has nothing to hide then nothing is going to happen to him. I'm certainly not going to claim he abused me when I don't have any actual conscious memories or proof.

    I just think it's awful that no one will listen to me, cause even if it's not true for me, it's true for SOMEBODY and if they get the shutting of ears that I've gotten that's just not right.

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    oh and one more thing....I didn't mean that pedophiles are more likely to be paranoid because they have something to hide...although that's probably true...what I read in three articles on the net was that a certain class of mental illness (including schizophrenia, masochism, and paranoia) actually exist more often in the minds of pedophiles than they do in the rest of the population. Of course who knows if those studies I read are accurate at all, that's just what I read.

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    lillicharles
    well any thoughts on this would be appreciated.
    I do believe that is what people just did. Gave you "their" thoughts and based only on the information that you have provided.

    Yet you have stated "that's not all" so share more.

    lilicharles
    that's not fair saying about how I might be paranoid just because my dad is. I have other mental problems probably passed down from him, but not that. I know you'll say, "but how would you know you're not paranoid, all paranoid people think they're sane and what they think is real"...but that's not it.
    I don't believe that anyone has said taht you are "paranoid". Again, all he has done so far is make some strange comments, well that's all we have read should i say.

    You do not say, you recall when 10 for example he loved hanging out at the playgrounds or when he's around other family members that have children, he stares at the little ones only.

    Do you see what i am saying? So weird words, can be simply, weird words, especially if he has problems that he is addressing.

    Why do you see a phycologist? What do you feel that he has passed down to you?

    lilicharles
    I just think it's awful that no one will listen to me, cause even if it's not true for me, it's true for SOMEBODY and if they get the shutting of ears that I've gotten that's just not right.
    People are obviously listening, your mother listened, your phycologist listed, we listened but if no one is agreeing with you, either you are not giving more information that they can view, mentally or your father is just weird in his wordings and thoughts at this time in his life.

    And, if you "WANT" it not to be true and no one thinks that it is, then you get the best wish of all don't you, that he is not a child molestor and he is your "daddy" who is a tad weird.

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    it's not ok for him to say that having sex with a three year old isn't bad. because that's what he CLEARLY implied. Maybe he really did imply it, not say it outright, but it was a CLEAR implication, and my mom got very very upset about it too, the other night she was on the verge of crying and when I said, "you know mom, that he HAS said things about children and sex and don't deny it"...she just stayed quiet and looked like she was about to burst into tears. Although whenever she's done fighting with him about it and things go back to normal she denies that she was ever worried about it. And with my family, I don't expect them to listen to me because they love him too and I do really hope that it's not true, and I'm not mad at them at all. But a THERAPIST, who is supposed to work with minds and know a lot about psychology, SHOULD take into account my feelings about the things he's said and what they could really mean for him that he's said them and yes, even my DREAMS. She hasn't even MET my dad, so why should she be so sure that he'd never ever do anything like that. I don't want to be proven right, I ONLY want someone to ADMIT I have reason to worry, which I absolutely do, and THEN tell me that it turns out he is completely innocent.

    And the truth is if I heard it from him himself I would believe it. I cannot believe it if someone else tells me that's just what they think because I'm a very intuitive person and I can tell when people are telling the truth, so all I want is to hear him talk about this issue and reassure me that it's not true and then I will most likely believe him, because I just get that feeling when I hear someone say something that they are telling the truth. That's all I want, however, if I confront him, wether because that really is what he is and he doesn't want anybody to know, or wether he is completely innocent and it's just his paranoia and I guess any (innocent) dad would be shocked if their daughter asked them that...he would completely freak and probably disown me. You don't know my dad, but he IS mentally ill, wether that is coupled with pedophilia or not, and I'm very afraid of how a question like that would put him over the edge and destroy our family. And I don't want that.

    But no, no one HAS listened to me. It's not just that they have disagreed with me, that's not it, it's that they have not even thought about the idea. It's not like they have given it clear thought and then said, "you know, Lily, I really don't think this is true". They have just completely shut down my thoughts from the minute I say them. However, SEVERAL people (strangers to me) on the internet, some of you guys not included, HAVE taken me seriously, and they did not say it's for sure my dad must be guilty of that, just that I DO have reason to worry. Yes, some of these have been abuse survivors themselves (I don't know if that makes you more inclined or less inclined to think they have something to say) and said that either they or someone else they know who was abused, didn't gain memories of it until much later in life, and then they're abusers confessed.

    I really just want to be proven wrong, but no one will help me do that and I think it's wrong that no one listens to these things. Like I say, I'm never going to accuse my dad of something I have no memory of, I just want to be sure that his comments don't actually mean anything. Imagine that something horrible someone says actually meaning that they actually subscribe to the ideas they speak about. he might not, it might just be for shock value, but I can't let it go....I have some friends with two little girls that may visit in a few months and yes, I need to know FOR SURE, before I let them into this house.

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    Okay, let's go back to your first paragraph. Please understand you simply made a few comments in your first post, without much information, to which now you have added to...

    lilycharles
    and my mom got very very upset about it too, the other night she was on the verge of crying and when I said, "you know mom, that he HAS said things about children and sex and don't deny it"...she just stayed quiet and looked like she was about to burst into tears. Although whenever she's done fighting with him about it and things go back to normal she denies that she was ever worried about it.
    To me, she is in classic denial.. She may actually believe you 100% but can't admit it to herself as she may have sleepless nights herself wondering if EVER anything happened to you or your sister and usually, along with this comes, guilt that if that did occur, where was she, why didn't she see it. It would be breaking her heart and she therefore has her own guilt to deal with.

    Secondly, you state that "she" fights with him about it and then goes back basically to denial.

    If this is the case, then she is doubting him and believing you may have something there, or sorry, worse, in her heart, her "intuition" is telling her that you are right.

    I believe in "gut feelings", "intuition" also our minds plays tricks.

    You may very well have memories around 5 years old and they are coming back to you, or else, his comments (agreed) if he doesn't think 3 years is too young, or 6, have made you pick the number 5.

    HOWEVER, your Doctor in-deed should be asking more, but is she? Has she spoken to your Mother without you knowing? Or is age there a confidentiality thing where she can't.

    This is in-deed an area you need to comprehend, understand, hope to find not true but find the results answers so you can move on irrespective.

    If this person is not even listening, not discussing, refusing to discuss and talks about other issues alternatively, leaving this out totally, it does not make much sense, unless, he/she knows something you don't, pertaining to private discussions.

    Can i suggest you try hynotherapy and also, an alternative Doctor.

    I am a believer that if you are not happy and getting results, one way or the other, go find someone who will listen and try to find the answer within yourself.

    You also need to sit down with your Mother again... I know you keep talking to her,but really sit her down privately and shake her up a bit and tell her, you are HER daughter as much as HE IS her HUSBAND, you are blood. You need to know and she needs to start talking to you....

    And, as long as you are around your friends when those children are there, then they are safe...

    From this lengthy reply, i do think that you have grounds to think it may be possible certainly, just based on your mother's response... that at least it is a question that needs to be resolved in answer.

    CW
    Do we not realise that in order to find a soul
    It doesn't happen over night
    if truth were to be told.

    Like everything in life that's hard to achieve
    you must believe!

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