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    I've noticed in several threads that there are some women who run into a string of abusive boyfriends / husbands, far more than seems statistically likely. I'm very curious as to why.

    Is there something about these women that attracts abusive men?

    Are they in some way unintentionally seeking out this sort of man? (This is absolutely not shifting blame, just trying to understand).

    For women who have been abused by more than one man, was there any common thread?

    I know this is a somewhat unpleasant topic, but I think it would be very helpful to understand how women end up in this situation so that they and others can avoid it in the future.

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    This is a VERY interesting thread topic RC. I'm eager to read some of the responses from women who experience this time and time again.

    It's very unfortunate.
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    I think I've adressed this several times. When you grow up abused the people on whom you are dependent, who are supposed to love and protect you are also the people you need to be protected from. While there are different degrees and types of abuse, the result is that your innate sense of boundries and self protective mechanisms are overidden. In many cases, love and pain, both emotional and physical become entwinned and difficult to separate. My personal belief is that this accounts for much of what draws many people into s&m type activities as well.

    Physical abuse is always accompanied by emotional abuse, although the reverse may not be true. The abuser justifies their actions as being some kind of fault or failing on the part of their victim. When the abused child gets out into the world and encounters negative or abusive relationships it is a double whammy, it reinforces the earlier treatment and messages and while they may hate it, it is familiar. They know how to cope with it and are conditioned to it.

    Breaking this pattern is really hard. I've dealt with it all the years of my life. You get the overt physical abuse out of your life, only to realize that there are other forms, such as a partner who tries to keep you from getting medical care when you need it or being denied loving touch sex. Or you may eliminate the physical abuse but still be living with emotional abuse. Many abusers are good at hiding it first and it is easier to do so with someone whose ability to detect it is impaired.

    And yes, like a predator that hunts by scent, abusers can and do find the vulnerable. Gettting free of it takes conscious effort and ceaseless vigilence. I've called this ESE, emotional self examination, where just like someone with nerve damage does VSE, you are constantly scanning yourself and your relationships to ensure you are not be abused.
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    i've been in more than one abusive relationship, the last was the worst, i don't look for men that will hurt me, they seem to find me.

    Up until my last relationship it was emotional and sexual abuse i suffered, im very sexually submissive so i guess the sexual abuse i received comes with the territory, the emotional abuse stems from being badly used sexually, it strips you of your dignity and self worth and you become an object of pleasure for the abuser.

    In my last relationship the sexual abuse was accompanied by physical abuse, being smacked around when i didn't do as i was told..

    So now im on my guard, everything i do, everyone i meet is closely examined by me so it won't happen again..

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    I grew up with a number of forms of abuse. My earliest memory being my mother's head being beaten against a car window cause she forgot the cheque book. But it was also emotional where i was used against her, that he would take me away or no-one would ever love her, and financial where she had to resort to stealing meat to put on the table to feed us, then him taking her to the cops because of it. As i got older i copped it too. My mother once left him, only to take up a spare room in a house where the man sexually abused me.

    This was my reality growing up; happy family was just fictional things portrayed on TV and in movies. So when I was old enough I slipped into the same type of relationship. I always said I would never end up like my mother, yet two years after meeting a guy I thought was different, I found myself denied medical attention, beaten, raped, and holding a baby from the raping that had issues due to the beatings whilst being pregnant.

    I did eventually find the courage to get out of that relationship but it was a long and scary road. It is a vicious cycle of needing to be loved, being put down so much you think no-one else could love you, being beaten into submission, then thinking it must be your fault, you must have done something wrong so you’ll do it better next time.

    I believe women who have been abused walk a tightrope of emotions continuously. They constantly look for the signs, but then that causes mistrust and friction in their relationship, so they try to trust, which opens them to pain, and if they do get hurt it can send them into self destruct mode. I live with this daily. Down deep I hate men, but I put a mask on every day to hide it from the world, and the men I care deeply for that are in my life.

    I don’t think we intentionally set out to look for abusive men, but in our need to feel loved, we ignore the signs most women would walk away from. And yes domineering men know what to look for in damaged women.

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    I almost regret starting this thread because the stories are so awful. I do understand how someone who has been abused all their lives can be more susceptible to abuse, and can find it very difficult to leave an abusive situation.

    What I don't understand though is how abusive men find those women. I think (hope!?!) that the great majority of men wouldn't abuse a women even if they had the opportunity, so even a woman who is vulnerable would be safe in the company of almost all men.

    When I think of the women I know, none of them seem the sorts that would tolerate abuse, though statistically I guess some must be. I wonder what it is that the abusers see that a (I'll claim) normal man doesn't. If we could figure out what the abusers are looking for, women could make an effort not to exhibit that behaviour.

    Wildchild - I'm not sure I agree that there is a correlation with abuse and BDSM. I think that for some reason this appeals to a fair number of people in happy relationships. Of course BDSM can be used as an excuse to hide real abuse, but I think that is in the minority.

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    There has been research done that found a higher percentage of people who had been abused had learnings towards sexual practices that involved some degree of pain. I think if you factored in all the women who find sex painful and still submit to it, not for their pleasure as they feel none, but for the man's, the percentages would be higher. My statement was that this was my personal belief, is based on a number of people I have known and conversations with them. We live in a culture of abuse and have for generations upon generations.

    As for most men not being abusers. I recently read of a study done (trying to remember where I read it) that 100% of male college students surveyed said that if they could get away with rape without repercussions, they would do it.
    Of course many of may think of things that we would never do. But I doubt very much that if women were asked the same question the results be even remotely similar. Many people who are otherwise decent individuals will act very cruelly, if they believe they can get away with it and this really true of most abusers I think. There are a lot if abusive men who are pillars in their community. There are churches now incoporating "domestic discipline" into their practices. I guarantee you that you know men who are abusive that you would never believe it of. Not all are physically abusive, it's pervasive. As aware of it as I am, I've had it happen over and over, that a gf whom I think has a great marriage, just breaks down one day and out spills a story of abuse - sometimes spanning many years.

    Its bedtime, my brain isn't pulling up info that I want readily but a woman author did an informal survey several years ago, asking women and men, what they feared most from the other gender. The most common male reply was that they feared that a woman would laugh at them. The most common female response and it was nearly universal, was that they feared a man would kill them. No men expressed a fear that a woman would kill them. This reflects the different realities than women and men have. Even the confident and competent woman walks in fear in some situations which would not concern a man.
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    I almost regret starting this thread because the stories are so awful.
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    Corey, I am glad that you did, I think it belongs as a sticky, it helps people talk and any councellor would say, "express, talk about it, don't be afraid to speak"....The more you do, the more you can see and people that share it, they've spoken and I'm kind of proud of that too....It would indeed be difficult....

    Emotional, Physical, Mental, Sexual - 1 or up to the whole 4....

    The question I ask, is background, childhood.... In Adults, I believe something happened in their childhood, and it takes time to find yourself and realise all that did happen and that it wasn't your fault and become stronger, slowly day by day..

    Memories don't erase but you can do something about changing your future....

    Lady Shae good on you....That's a powerful post, a heartful, heartful thing to read but one that I believe, shows, you know where you are now heading and your finding and for that I am grateful...

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    Don't regret starting this thread, it's a fact of life some of us deal with.

    im convinced some men can sense the vulnerability in us and take advantage of it, they aren't abusive at first but after we move in with them they have us.


    There was a correlation with abuse and BDSM with the last man i was with, he took great pleasure in inflicting pain on me during sex, he put me through unspeakable pain to the point i expected it and god help me looked forward to it, i started to crave the pain, i felt i deserved it and wanted more, i was tied and implements were used on me, the more i cried out the worse it was on me, his satisfaction came from my pain and humiliation, i was little more than a thing under his control.

    Even if we were not having sex he would humiliate me by making me do things i would never do on my own, i was even denied bathroom privileges at times..

    Abuse takes on many forms in my case it was the most extreme, i live with the fact i let it go on for so long..

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    Sid, sorry I wasn't focusing on any one person, rather, until someone speaks, tells, then is the time to see their healing....as a group...

    All abuse is different....taking all that happened to you? Can you contribute to this thread, regarding your childhood as well, when your ready and off course only if you want to, to help people disect I guess, if it does in-deed stem from feeling nothing, or abuse as a child, or just in-security or what....everyone is different and this thread I think is one where we can all feel, and see and you can talk, express...

    NOT today, it's your birthday beautiful...

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