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    I just had to share things with all the women (and men) on this site. I found this article through a friend's facebook page and thought it was too good not to share. There are so many women on here who feel like they "overreact" or feel "crazy" about situations in their lives, therefore reaching out to this website (I am guilty of it myself), but this article really paints a clear picture of why I react the way I do. I actually recently posted a thread about "What the heck is wrong with me?!"...and I guess I found my answer!

    This article was written by Yashar Ali. He has written the book The Current Consience and will soon be coming out with his book "A Message To Women From A Man: You Are Not Crazy" -- How We Teach Men That Women Are Crazy and How We Convince Women To Ignore Their Instincts.

    A Message To Women from A Man: You Are Not "Crazy"

    You're so sensitive. You're so emotional. You're defensive. You're overreacting. Calm down. Relax. Stop freaking out! You're crazy! I was just joking, don't you have a sense of humor? You're so dramatic. Just get over it already!

    Sound familiar?

    If you're a woman, it probably does.

    Do you ever hear any of these comments from your spouse, partner, boss, friends, colleagues, or relatives after you have expressed frustration, sadness, or anger about something they have done or said?

    When someone says these things to you, it's not an example of inconsiderate behavior. When your spouse shows up half an hour late to dinner without calling -- that's inconsiderate behavior. A remark intended to shut you down like, "Calm down, you're overreacting," after you just addressed someone else's bad behavior, is emotional manipulation, pure and simple.

    And this is the sort of emotional manipulation that feeds an epidemic in our country, an epidemic that defines women as crazy, irrational, overly sensitive, unhinged. This epidemic helps fuel the idea that women need only the slightest provocation to unleash their (crazy) emotions. It's patently false and unfair.

    I think it's time to separate inconsiderate behavior from emotional manipulation, and we need to use a word not found in our normal vocabulary.

    I want to introduce a helpful term to identify these reactions: gaslighting.

    Gaslighting is a term often used by mental health professionals (I am not one) to describe manipulative behavior used to confuse people into thinking their reactions are so far off base that they're crazy.

    The term comes from the 1944 MGM film, Gaslight, starring Ingrid Bergman. Bergman's husband in the film, played by Charles Boyer, wants to get his hands on her jewelry. He realizes he can accomplish this by having her certified as insane and hauled off to a mental institution. To pull of this task, he intentionally sets the gaslights in their home to flicker off and on, and every time Bergman's character reacts to it, he tells her she's just seeing things. In this setting, a gaslighter is someone who presents false information to alter the victim's perception of him or herself.

    Today, when the term is referenced, it's usually because the perpetrator says things like, "You're so stupid," or "No one will ever want you," to the victim. This is an intentional, pre-meditated form of gaslighting, much like the actions of Charles Boyer's character in Gaslight, where he strategically plots to confuse Ingrid Bergman's character into believing herself unhinged.

    The form of gaslighting I'm addressing is not always pre-mediated or intentional, which makes it worse, because it means all of us, especially women, have dealt with it at one time or another.

    Those who engage in gaslighting create a reaction -- whether it's anger, frustration, sadness -- in the person they are dealing with. Then, when that person reacts, the gaslighter makes them feel uncomfortable and insecure by behaving as if their feelings aren't rational or normal.

    My friend Anna (all names changed to protect privacy) is married to a man who feels it necessary to make random and unprompted comments about her weight. Whenever she gets upset or frustrated with his insensitive comments, he responds in the same, defeating way, "You're so sensitive. I'm just joking."

    My friend Abbie works for a man who finds a way, almost daily, to unnecessarily shoot down her performance and her work product. Comments like, "Can't you do something right?" or "Why did I hire you?" are regular occurrences for her. Her boss has no problem firing people (he does it regularly), so you wouldn't know from these comments that Abbie has worked for him for six years. But every time she stands up for herself and says, "It doesn't help me when you say these things," she gets the same reaction: "Relax; you're overreacting."

    Abbie thinks her boss is just being a jerk in these moments, but the truth is, he is making those comments to manipulate her into thinking her reactions are out of whack. And it's exactly that kind manipulation that has left her feeling guilty about being sensitive, and as a result, she has not left her job.

    But gaslighting can be as simple as someone smiling and saying something like, "You're so sensitive," to somebody else. Such a comment may seem innocuous enough, but in that moment, the speaker is making a judgment about how someone else should feel.

    While dealing with gaslighting isn't a universal truth for women, we all certainly know plenty of women who encounter it at work, home, or in personal relationships.

    And the act of gaslighting does not simply affect women who are not quite sure of themselves. Even vocal, confident, assertive women are vulnerable to gaslighting.

    Why?

    Because women bare the brunt of our neurosis. It is much easier for us to place our emotional burdens on the shoulders of our wives, our female friends, our girlfriends, our female employees, our female colleagues, than for us to impose them on the shoulders of men.

    It's a whole lot easier to emotionally manipulate someone who has been conditioned by our society to accept it. We continue to burden women because they don't refuse our burdens as easily. It's the ultimate cowardice.

    Whether gaslighting is conscious or not, it produces the same result: It renders some women emotionally mute.

    These women aren't able to clearly express to their spouses that what is said or done to them is hurtful. They can't tell their boss that his behavior is disrespectful and prevents them from doing their best work. They can't tell their parents that, when they are being critical, they are doing more harm than good.

    When these women receive any sort of push back to their reactions, they often brush it off by saying, "Forget it, it's okay."

    That "forget it" isn't just about dismissing a thought, it is about self-dismissal. It's heartbreaking.

    No wonder some women are unconsciously passive aggressive when expressing anger, sadness, or frustration. For years, they have been subjected to so much gaslighting that they can no longer express themselves in a way that feels authentic to them.

    They say, "I'm sorry," before giving their opinion. In an email or text message, they place a smiley face next to a serious question or concern, thereby reducing the impact of having to express their true feelings.

    You know how it looks: "You're late "

    These are the same women who stay in relationships they don't belong in, who don't follow their dreams, who withdraw from the kind of life they want to live.

    Since I have embarked on this feminist self-exploration in my life and in the lives of the women I know, this concept of women as "crazy" has really emerged as a major issue in society at large and an equally major frustration for the women in my life, in general.

    From the way women are portrayed on reality shows, to how we condition boys and girls to see women, we have come to accept the idea that women are unbalanced, irrational individuals, especially in times of anger and frustration.

    Just the other day, on a flight from San Francisco to Los Angeles, a flight attendant who had come to recognize me from my many trips asked me what I did for a living. When I told her that I write mainly about women, she immediately laughed and asked, "Oh, about how crazy we are?"

    Her gut reaction to my work made me really depressed. While she made her response in jest, her question nonetheless makes visible a pattern of sexist commentary that travels through all facets of society on how men view women, which also greatly impacts how women may view themselves.

    As far as I am concerned, the epidemic of gaslighting is part of the struggle against the obstacles of inequality that women constantly face. Acts of gaslighting steal their most powerful tool: their voice. This is something we do to women every day, in many different ways.

    I don't think this idea that women are "crazy," is based in some sort of massive conspiracy. Rather, I believe it's connected to the slow and steady drumbeat of women being undermined and dismissed, on a daily basis. And gaslighting is one of many reasons why we are dealing with this public construction of women as "crazy."

    I recognize that I've been guilty of gaslighting my women friends in the past (but never my male friends--surprise, surprise). It's shameful, but I'm glad I realized that I did it on occasion and put a stop to it.

    While I take total responsibility for my actions, I do believe that I, along with many men, am a byproduct of our conditioning. It's about the general insight our conditioning gives us into admitting fault and exposing any emotion.

    When we are discouraged in our youth and early adulthood from expressing emotion, it causes many of us to remain steadfast in our refusal to express regret when we see someone in pain from our actions.

    When I was writing this piece, I was reminded of one of my favorite Gloria Steinem quotes, "The first problem for all of us, men and women, is not to learn, but to unlearn."

    So for many of us, it's first about unlearning how to flicker those gaslights and learning how to acknowledge and understand the feelings, opinions, and positions of the women in our lives.



    But isn't the issue of gaslighting ultimately about whether we are conditioned to believe that women's opinions don't hold as much weight as ours? That what women have to say, what they feel, isn't quite as legitimate?
    ~Today, any person can fight the battles of one day It is only when you and I add the burdens of those two awful eternity's- yesterday and tomorrow, that we break down. It is not the experience of today that drives people mad. It is the remorse of bitterness for something which happened yesterday and the dread of what tomorrow may bring.
    Let us therefore, live but one day at a time.~

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    Has anyone read to the end? I know it's long...but if you have, what are your thoughts?
    ~Today, any person can fight the battles of one day It is only when you and I add the burdens of those two awful eternity's- yesterday and tomorrow, that we break down. It is not the experience of today that drives people mad. It is the remorse of bitterness for something which happened yesterday and the dread of what tomorrow may bring.
    Let us therefore, live but one day at a time.~

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    I just read it. I think this guy has a point, this "gaslighting" does happen quite a lot... I never realized that's what was happening until I just read this. However, I do think there are many women out there who make mountains out of molehills, so in that case a man's comment about her being too sensitive or high-strung isn't entirely off-base. But of course there are better ways to deal with that than belittling her emotions, which doesn't help anyone.
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    I do think there are many women out there who make mountains out of molehills, so in that case a man's comment about her being too sensitive or high-strung isn't entirely off-base.
    I definitely agree with this. Honestly some women drive me nuts lol. Crying, balling, whimpering, and turning it into an almost obnoxious display of "omg look at me crying, show some sympathy now omg why is everyone to get me" type response.....all because maybe someone borrowed their pen at their desk for a second without asking (I have seen this happen hence me saying it). Other actual insensitive comments like "hun you looked better without the extra baby belly fat" I can see the crying and legitimate responses....but not everything someone says is "out to get you" per se or to belittle someone. It is about evaluating the situation instead of jumping to hyper-emotions, some women are not so good at that and the result is the labeling of crazy. But for the woman who can actively say "no that is not right" and not react by crying or slamming a fist on the table is not crazy.
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    I think there are certainly situations with both sexes in which they overreact to what is truly a minor situation. At that moment in time it does not feel minor to them. BUT, I think there is a clear difference in that scenario and the one the writer here is discussing. What I'd add to that is that this gaslighting is done by both sexes. It's just that women are stereotypically placed into a higher category of overreacting, being overly emotional, etc so it becomes more obvious with us.

    How many posters have posted on this very forum about their partner saying hurtful things to them? Or doing hurtful things? But then if they get upset and stand up for themselves, they're made to feel like they are thin skinned, overreacting, hormonal, overly emotional, etc. In addition to gaslighting to DISTRACT a partner from true wrong doing, it is also used as a way of being able to say hurtful degrading things, pushing, pushing and pushing it until the receiving person gets upset, then pulling the old "Geez, I was just joking" to make them look stupid and feel minimized.

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    I have been in that very situation where my fiance has said something and I've gotten upset or offended by it and I confront him about it and he says "You're overreacting, it was just a joke!" WHich makes me feel guilty for "overreacting". I will be the first to admitt though, I do overreact sometimes... but NOT EVERY TIME. It gets old...and it gets old fast. I feel I can't express how I feel about things without him dismissing me as if I am overreacting. Some days I can...some days I can't with him. A lot of the times though he tells me that I am overreacting, and once given the time to actually process what I was saying, we can then talk about it on the same level. I think its just tempers flare and emotions run high. Once the dust settles you see things clearly. If that makes sense... it all works out in the end anyway. We talk it out eventually, but it would be nice if I only had to say it once instead of going over it again later, after we've had a fight.
    ~Today, any person can fight the battles of one day It is only when you and I add the burdens of those two awful eternity's- yesterday and tomorrow, that we break down. It is not the experience of today that drives people mad. It is the remorse of bitterness for something which happened yesterday and the dread of what tomorrow may bring.
    Let us therefore, live but one day at a time.~

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    I must also add that there are times where I later come to realize that he was right and I may have been too sensitive about something. It's a give and take, you learn as you go...
    ~Today, any person can fight the battles of one day It is only when you and I add the burdens of those two awful eternity's- yesterday and tomorrow, that we break down. It is not the experience of today that drives people mad. It is the remorse of bitterness for something which happened yesterday and the dread of what tomorrow may bring.
    Let us therefore, live but one day at a time.~

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    Although I can certainly understand how this could be manipulative and, can agree for every one of us to check ourselves as to not do this to our loved ones, I keep going back to this illness my wife has, PMDD! Certainly anyone who is dealing with this, be it the woman or the family. The behavioral issues dealing with pmdd is alarming. Should we say, it’s ok to say hurtful things and do hurtful things to your family because you are a victim of this illness? Would it be the same as saying it’s ok that you hate all of us and your tired of this family because someone left a drink on the end table. I'm under exaggerating because its more than that. My point is, I have struggled for years trying to know when and how to respond to the negativities dished out during the onset of PMDD. Although I understand having lived with my spouse who suffers from it, I still never think its ok to verbalize how you hate someone or your children and a few days later feel so terrible for saying them. The other victims being the family, struggles with this monthly and at certain times, actually feels the rath of the pmdd sufferer must be saying this and really feel this way and it comes out during this time! It's very confusing. I have had to treat this situation in such a way that allows for this what can be taken by most as abuse. I call it the " PMDD say it like you mean it CARD". It can be confusing because, how can one know if and when the PMDD sufferer is meaning what their saying or not. Like crying wolf. If my wife doesn't like my response to a situation, she can easily say, Get the H&$$ out! It appears that she must mean it. In this situation, it would be the easy way out. But, I have to hope it's only the illness talking and not how she really feels. My kids are confused but when I try to explain to the kids, Mom has an illness, I get accused of telling the family she's crazy when that word never came out of my mouth! Then you have the kids saying, dad, her behavior is inexcusable and what she said is wrong. Why do you insist on allowing her to have this right to say things to us and expect us to just over look it? It’s wrong! What do I say to this? It creates a very dysfunctional family environment. Most of the time, what she is complaining about is really going on too but, the reaction is far worse than the discrepancy. None the less, I am committed to my wife until I’m dead. We’ve been together 23 plus years. I choose not to run away. I love her always.

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    Rick- your wife sounds just like my mom. She suffers from depression and has these mood swings that are just unexplainable. She lashes out like you say your wife does, and then later apologizes about them. It has pushed me away to a point. For example, just 2 weeks ago. I stayed over by my parents for thanksgiving wed-saturday. They bought oil and brakes for my car and even after insisting to pay for it and that they didn't have to do that, they did anyway and just said "I know we don't have to, but we want to"...well we came across the topic of money and I was working out a deal with my fiances family of selling my guitar, they mentioned they wanted to try it before buying it and I was just talking to my mom about it and she made a comment about the money and said "You should just save that money and put it towards your wedding instead of getting screwed over" so I said "You don't even know these people...besides that amount of money isn't going to make the greatest difference to the wedding anyway"...she blew up. She said "I am so f****** sick of your selfish, inconsiderate, ungrateful a**. Get out of my house!!!"... so...I packed my bags and left. She then 2 days later apologized through a text. I was not trying to be selfish, inconsiderate, or ungrateful about money...THEY OFFERED AND INSISTED TO HELP ME OUT with my car. Its just a roller coaster.....
    ~Today, any person can fight the battles of one day It is only when you and I add the burdens of those two awful eternity's- yesterday and tomorrow, that we break down. It is not the experience of today that drives people mad. It is the remorse of bitterness for something which happened yesterday and the dread of what tomorrow may bring.
    Let us therefore, live but one day at a time.~

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