Logical Brain v - Feelings

**CHANDLERS WISH** · 04-14-2008 04:35 AM

It's interesting, we have a logical side to us, that which is great for business, no, this is how i do things, this is how it is, how it works this is what i have learnt: - And then, feelings, okay, truly if i take that aside and think and listen instead of just using my head, then this is how i'm feeling and what they are saying and how "they" are thinking feeling, so what decision should i make?

It's interesting really....

Feelings, have emotions attached. But, but...."Defence"

You tell someone they are this or that! Feelings and emotions get involved.

But if you ask yourself, how do they feel? What is their heart? Then you open them up to tell the story. Not everyone can do that, they hide behind what they "feel" and tell it based on what they are "feeling" not how someone else is feeling..

If you think logical? Oh come on, don't you see what your doing? That is wrong, it's just not on, it is............

So, is it maybe that we have to think logical, then "feel"?

I think these two sides to us are very interesting as they are real. We can't help it pending on what we are "feeling at that time sometimes as well when stories told remind us of our past? " how is that, that our past can interfere and talk logical on our thoughts and what "should be" and yet talk with feelings on what we "believe" and think? But without "listening" to what the person is feeling, it is ours?

I have learn't to consider the logical side of a question here for- instance and then the feelings side of what they are feeling, and if i can't feel that i ask, not always replied but i ask, then i try to make my call on answering.

To combine the two feeling? Logical and feelings? **** hard.. Very hard.

Sometimes i read that someone is really hurt, and replies with hurt but if they read the whole thread and posts, then they would see something different, like it was their hurt but they don't want to thread that, but reply which is perfectly okay and normal, but i wonder how many here to be honest read the beginning to "end" and then reply?

I see a lot whom don't...

They read the beginning and go straight for the reply or say, " i haven't read what anyone else said but here is my thought"????

Why reply if you haven't seen the whole story?

ANYWAY, i just think if people take the time, and think logical and with feelings here, read the whole story, it may be a totally different answer that they give at the end and also at the same time, sometimes feel and admire what that person says, in retrospect.

And we are all "Unique" all different creatures and all have our own "Opinions" and thank god for that.

My "huge" thought for the day....

CW

**anonymouswhitefemale** · 04-14-2008 04:23 PM

Emotion is fine for looking after your family and friends, although often even they need to get kicked into reality with some stern logic.

Personlly, I am very logical/rational. I'm a left-brained male. As for emotions, I do feel compassion, and those who I see as weak and in need, I deliver them the logic that they need, in a way that's partially sensitive to their feelings.

Most of the time though, and I'll be honest, I don't care whatsoever what people are feeling, at least over the internet. I have no reason to care for you, but I have reason to care for the truth, and collectively forming a more educated opinion.

I don't know if this is sexist.... But women simply are not rational... It is for this reason that I believe there are no female philosophers (except for the topic of Abortion, where they try to use logic to support their emotions.

**Little** · 04-14-2008 04:29 PM

It is sexist ... there are plenty of women who are rational.
And I just googled woman philosopher and got plenty of hits that lean to the side that women philosophers exist.
And if women are rational or anything less than playing the Mommy, they're "cold-hearted es," or "**** teases."
Society discourages women from rationalization and tisk-tisks at them if they try to think. Thank God for the revolutionaries.
There's a difference between straight-up facts and tact. Usually Anon, you've got both ... but in this post, I'm not seeing either.

**Fallen1** · 04-14-2008 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by anonymouswhitefemale

......It is for this reason that I believe there are no female philosophers.....

Didn't google that one did you?

Copied for Wikipedia -

list of female philosophers, ordered alphabetically:

Marilyn McCord Adams, (born 1943) O
Linda Martin Alcoff
Alice Ambrose, (1906-2001)
Pamela Sue Anderson
Julia Annas
G. E. M. Anscombe, (1918-2001) C O R W
Hannah Arendt, (1906-1975) C O R W
Arete of Cyrene, (4th century B.C.)
Aristoclea, (6th century B.C)
Aspasia of Miletus, (5th century B.C.)
Mary Astell, (1666-1731) A B C D1 D2 R
Babette Babich (1956-)
Linda Badham, (born 1950)
Annette Baier, (born 1929) O
Ban Zhao, (c. 35-100) D2
Antoinette Brown, (1825-1921) D2
Judith Butler, (born 1956)
Mary Whiton Calkins, (1863-1930) W
Nancy Cartwright (born 1943) O
Margaret Cavendish, (1623-1673) A B C R
Christine de Pizan, (c. 1365-c. 1430) G R
Andrea Christofidou
Patricia Churchland, (born 1943) C
Hélène Cixous, (born 1937) R
Catherine Trotter ****burn, (1679-1749) A B C R W
Lady Anne Finch Conway, (1631-1679) A B C D1 O R W
Simone de Beauvoir, (1908-1986) D1 O R W
Émilie du Châtelet, (1706-1749) R
Raya Dunayevskaya, (1910-1987)
Dorothy Edgington
George Eliot, (1819-1880) G R
Elisabeth of Bohemia, (1618-1680) A B C R
Bracha L. Ettinger R1
Philippa Foot, (born 1920) C O W
Dorothea Frede, (1941-)
Margaret Gilbert
Charlotte Perkins Gilman, (1860-1935)
Hannah Ginsborg
Emma Goldman, (1869–1940)
Marie de Gournay, (1565-1645) D2
Celia Green, (born 1935)
Marjorie Grene, (born 1910)
Susan Haack, (born 1945) W
Jane Heal
Virginia Held
Ágnes Heller, (born 1929)
Heloise, (1101-1162) D2
Mary Hesse, (born 1924)
Hildegard of Bingen, (1098-1179) D1 R
Hipparchia, (4th century BC)
Jennifer Hornsby, (born 1951) O
Rosalind Hursthouse
Hypatia of Alexandria, (370-415) C R
Luce Irigaray, (born 1930) C O R
Martha Klein
Christine Korsgaard
Julia Kristeva, (born 1941) C O R
Susanne Langer, (1895-1985) O R W
Michèle Le Dœuff, (born 1948) O R
Leontion, (4th century BC)
Rosa Luxemburg, (1871-1919) R
Catherine Macaulay, (1731-1791) G
Penelope Maddy
Ruth Barcan Marcus, (born 1921) C O
Harriet Martineau, (1802-1876) R W
Damaris Cudworth Masham, (1659-1708) A B C R
Mechthild of Magdeburg, (1210-1285) G
Mary Midgley, (born 1919) W
Ruth Millikan, (born 1933) O
Iris Murdoch, (1919-1999) O W
Nancey Murphy, (born 1951)
Judith Sargent Murray, (1751-1820) D2
Martha Nussbaum, (born 1947) C O
Onora O'Neill, (born 1941) O W
Janet Radcliffe Richards, (born 1944) O
Ayn Rand, (1905-1982) R
Rosemary Radford Ruether, (born 1936)
Ruth Lydia Saw
Anna Maria van Schurman, (1607-1678) D2 R
Lady Mary Shepherd, (1777-1847) A C
Marco S Sideri, A C
Sor Juana, (1648-1695) D2
Anne Louise Germaine de Staël, (1766-1817) R
L. Susan Stebbing, (1885-1943) W
Edith Stein, (1891-1942) D1
Gabrielle Suchon, (1631-1703) R
Shannon Sullivan
Harriet Taylor Mill, (1807-1858) C D1 R
Teresa of Avila, (1515-1582) C
Judith Jarvis Thomson, (born 1929) C O W
Baroness Mary Warnock, (born 1924) O
Simone Weil, (1909-1943) C D1 O R
Victoria, Lady Welby, (1837-1912) W
Mary Wollstonecraft, (1759-1797) C D1 G O R W
Frances Wright, (1795-1852) D2
Dorothy Maud Wrinch, (1894-1976)
Linda Zagzebski, (born 1946)

**Fallen1** · 04-14-2008 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by Little

It is sexist ... there are plenty of women who are rational.
And I just googled woman philosopher and got plenty of hits that lean to the side that women philosophers exist.
And if women are rational or anything less than playing the Mommy, they're "cold-hearted es," or "**** teases."
Society discourages women from rationalization and tisk-tisks at them if they try to think. Thank God for the revolutionaries.
There's a difference between straight-up facts and tact. Usually Anon, you've got both ... but in this post, I'm not seeing either.

Straying a bit off topic and sorry for the double post but I didn't see this one until after I posted.

I have to disagree with you here Little. Although he has shared some great insights tact has never been one of Anons strong traits.

**CHANDLERS WISH** · 04-14-2008 04:59 PM

CHANDLERSWISH
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have learn't to consider the logical side of a question here for- instance and then the feelings side of what they are feeling, and if i can't feel that i ask, not always replied but i ask, then i try to make my call on answering.

To combine the two feeling? Logical and feelings? **** hard.. Very hard.

Then you agree Anon, it's very hard to combine the two together...

I understand the "logical side" in general terms i am a logical left brain female thinker and i was blatently told this a few months ago, " but can you not think with feelings?".

I hold a lot of compassion, but i don't agree with using it where i see a weakness, although i understand your terminology, perhaps a " non-understanding of a situation" and consequently requires a logical opinion so that they can see that situation clearer?

Anonymouswhitefemale

Most of the time though, and I'll be honest, I don't care whatsoever what people are feeling, at least over the internet. I have no reason to care for you, but I have reason to care for the truth, and collectively forming a more educated opinion.

Well you've gobsmacked me there!!!! That's a very cold approach. Your answer to me on smoking, was logical, but i sensed also a "why not give it a go then" approach which to me was "care"... It's not all about debate on these sites, surely ... This is logical this is your answer.... Sure, it's straight forward to the point and an opinion but if you care outside of an internet, bring it on i say, it may be good to work with logic and feelings, how ever that percentage is rationed....

I am learing the art of changing from purely thinking "logical" which frankly has got me no where except for a good business head that has then allowed me to let that totally control my life, to adding in "feelings" which has freed me up to become a "whole person", instead of half.

Left brain, right brain, now that's logical? Utilising both sides? Why not? We were given both sides? Should we repress one and not the other? Or choose when to utilise the "feeling side" but be predominately "logical"?

Since opening up more of the "feelings" side of me, i have become a "WOMAN", in as much as i now use my "logic" and "feelings" combined and as a result, i no longer have those occasional thoughts of being to "needy, emotional, questioning"... because i am "FREE", i know what i want and don't want, so i don't "need" or need to question did he, is he, not that i was much of that type of person, but i am human and a female and yes, we hold more emotions of course... But to think both sided, as i said in my thread, also has allowed me to "see" both sides the logical answer and what they may be "feeling" and try to respond with both. And, it's hard but very very rewarding to me as a person.

If i was "logical only sexually", then my brain wouldn't let someone in, but if i allow "feelings" to come into it as well, then i can open up and trust and well, from there..... i know where i'm going and it's going to be fun to say the least.

Logic in business:- I trust my accountant well no that's not logical. But if he proves to do good over a sense of time, then "feelings", great he is doing the right thing i can trust him, logic says don't trust in my books, defend...

But that's me and i prefer both sides of the brain.... It's good fun.....

CW

**anonymouswhitefemale** · 04-14-2008 05:45 PM

Originally Posted by Little

It is sexist ... there are plenty of women who are rational.
And I just googled woman philosopher and got plenty of hits that lean to the side that women philosophers exist.
And if women are rational or anything less than playing the Mommy, they're "cold-hearted es," or "**** teases."
Society discourages women from rationalization and tisk-tisks at them if they try to think. Thank God for the revolutionaries.
There's a difference between straight-up facts and tact. Usually Anon, you've got both ... but in this post, I'm not seeing either.

Yeah sorry, I was going to develop this post more but suddenly I had to go out so I just didn't think about it and hit post on the way out. In terms of further clarification on the philosophy issue:

When I'm at the pub with male friends, some sort of philosophy always comes up as a point of entertaining discussion. I can recall one girl who enjoyed talking about philosophy, the rest seem to prefer to talk and think about things that are less abstract, and more relevent to their lives. In my studies in philosophy, the only female philosophers we studied were on the subject of abortion, none at all about abstract throught processes such as the definition of knowledge.

It's not that I think women can't think abstractly, I just think for the most part it doesn't interest them and they don't care, and when I've brought up this subject with both men and women in the past they've agreed.

I would definately encourage rationality and thinking!

So yeah, I should have more fully developed that post before hitting the submit button.

CHANDLERS WISH, as I said: "As for emotions, I do feel compassion, and those who I see as weak and in need, I deliver them the logic that they need, in a way that's partially sensitive to their feelings."

To be honest, I do like helping people. I enjoy the process but I also like the end result, for instance I spend a fair bit of my time helping people with various computer issues at various forums. I like to give advice, and to know that I've had an impact on how somebodies life has turned out.

I was exagurating when I said I don't care about most other people, but also, I don't mind upsetting some people for my own amusement.

Originally Posted by CHANDLERS WISH

Left brain, right brain, now that's logical? Utilising both sides? Why not? We were given both sides? Should we repress one and not the other? Or choose when to utilise the "feeling side" but be predominately "logical"?

It's not really biologically possible to be both, although apparently with significant training you can swap sides. But sure, I have emotions and I use them sometimes.

**Fallen1** · 04-14-2008 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by anonymouswhitefemale

I was exagurating when I said I don't care about most other people, but also, I don't mind upsetting some people for my own amusement.

Ah ... we have a prankster of sorts among us.

Just like my boyfriend, he likes to bring up sh*t just to "ruffle your feathers".

As far as me, my first reaction(s) is with emotion but I try to control it. Most of the time if something rubs me the wrong way I try and think on it for a while before I respond. I try my best to remove my emotion from it before I speak.

**Little** · 04-14-2008 06:07 PM

I'm pretty sure that you can use both sides without any training ... for example:
One uses the left side of one's brain to process language in one's native alphabet ... for us, Roman lettering. So for English, French, Spanish, and German I use my left brain.
One uses the right side of one's brain for languages based in other styles of writing; Cyrillic, Kana, etc ... so I use the right side of my brain for Japanese.
It's no big thing.

**CHANDLERS WISH** · 04-14-2008 06:09 PM

Perhaps i should have added in as i am a bugger for that, " don't hit SEND, until you've re-read what you've written either"... Pertaining to read the whole thread and posts first.....before replying.

To be honest, I do like helping people. I enjoy the process but I also like the end result, for instance I spend a fair bit of my time helping people with various computer issues at various forums. I like to give advice, and to know that I've had an impact on how somebodies life has turned out.

There is for sure a gratification of "helping people" regardless of what that passion is, yours obviously predominately computers and other areas of course, it is rewarding for sure. I have two new Agents, I'm a Real Estate Agent, one is 40 the other is 60 and they are new, i get great satisfaction "logically" of teaching them then "feelings" when i watch their excitement at gaining their first listing, or resolving an issue that would have ended up with them losing a sale, or listing... It works in all areas of life.
Anonymouswhitefemale

It's not really biologically possible to be both, although apparently with significant training you can swap sides. But sure, I have emotions and I use them sometimes

Well that makes sense, that's why i think logical first because that's my strength, and then with feelings before i act.

Well i am learning as i said to use both, i guess similtaniously but yes, i can agree it's not feasible to use both at the same time, and sometimes, but it is interesting to open that door and "feel" with logic attached, as apposed to purely logical or purely with feelings.

That was the point i think i was trying to make...

Feelings alone is a whole bag of "emotions" - and that's not logical... emotions if too involved create havic.....

Guess that is why as Little once said, it is great to have all types of people answering, some answer with logic only,(commonsense) some with feelings (heart) and some with both....(commonsense and heart)....

CW

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