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    Hi everyone im new here i am really having a hard time coping with some marital issues and really could use some advice. i will try to keep this short as it is a long story

    in early 2008 me and my husband was not getting along very well he became distant and cold and i really kind of blew it all off assuming it was the fact that he was turning 30, he started criticizing everything i did and even at a party accused me of flirting when i wasn't again i blew it of he had been drinkin.

    2 months later we had a huge argument over something that was really stupid i ended up leaving that night because he insisted i not stay at the house and i figured what the id stay with family overnight till we both calmed down so i came back the next day and we went a week without speaking finally i broke the ice and became the peace maker as usual told him i knew we wasn't seeing eye to eye and that i know.

    well he kept asking me about the what i know part and i just said that we was not getting along it's what i was referring too but for what ever reason my answer didn't seem to satisfy him, we made up anyways and for 2 weeks we was fine. but something about him hanging on that one statement started bothering me it was as if we were talking about to seperate things. so i woke with this hollow feeling in my stomache and i have never invaded his privacy as i felt as though i never had to in all the years we've been together which was 12 years at the time.

    But something told me to check his mobile and i did, i seen a long distance number but really thought nothing of it i was upset with myself for even having the thought of him cheating but i scroll further and found a text from that same number calling him a in appropriate name and asking him was he coming to a club that night. i was confused upset and on edge, i jotted the number down and called it back and a female answered the phone, i didn't say nothing i was to shocked, so i went on our home computer trying to see if i could find this club that was in the text well in our history i seen that he had tried to find it as well and also had looked up divorce sights. this all was done during the time we had the argument.

    For 3 days i held this in he worked nights that week and i tried hard to call him to discuss this but could not reach him. so when he came home that morning i asked him about it manily because i found out through a family member he thought i was having a affair which wasn't true. he told me he had no idea of what i was talking about until i explained that i had found the club and that it was a stripclub then he tells me that it was for a stag he was planning for a friend which i knew of but i told him that the club has a local number and you were contacted from a cellphone with a long distance area code and why would it be that as oppose to the local one

    i told him no need to worry i'd call the number in front of him and we could just clear this all up, but he stopped me claiming we should just talk, so i told my friend who was in another room to leave so me and him could talk i had her there with me because he can get unruly and i didn't know how he'd react. so me and him talked and he stuck to his story and then told me call if i want but i didnt trust him so i felt bad and didn't chalked it all up and say he can't be lying he was so compelling.

    8 days later it still kind of bothered me because it was no corresponding text to the text that was sent to him and the time that he had recieved a call from that number was a night he supposedly went out with a buddy, and the business calling from a celluar phone just seemed weird so i figured hey he was telling the truth i guess but it wouldn't hurt to call and ask since i was over the emotional rollercoaster it had sent me on so i called but the number had been disconnected, so i let him knew that and it seem unlikely that should happen, again he claimed to know nothing

    i later realized he had called his job from his celluar when he was suppose to be at work which he denied but i seen the call, then a call came through on our landline and he sprinted to the phone mumbled a few words hung up and told me it was a telemarketer, and he had to run some errands my stomach felt hollow again so when he left i redialed the number that was local and received a message that it was not in service, i was perplexed and so i called and asked a friend how could that be possible and she told me it was a payphone, i later checked on from down the street and sure enough i received the same message

    again i told him that he was full of it and that it was no telemarketer it was a payphone again he dismissed me and said i was delusional, so i learned not to tell him anything anymore, i realized that money was missing ..he tried to ask me to perform new sexual positions..one minute he was pissed at me for no reason and later trying to shower me with gifts..but i tried to let it go dismissing my thoughts and on tough days when my mind wandered about it all i poured a drink.

    so fastfoward to july 2010, the conversation came up again after he tried to accuse me of calling him private to check where he was which i didn't do, and told me that i just want to leave him and take all his possessions from him, i told him that was not true and that the thing that truly still bothered me was the calling his job when he was suppose to be at work, well this time he tells me that he did in fact call but it was only to speak to another employee that didn't have a celluar phone.
    now i know that was not the story he told the first time but i didn't say nothing i just allowed him to believe i was buying it.

    well the next day i remembered that my hubby had purchased a new celluar in october 2009 so i searched the house for the old celluar he had in 2008 and looked for this employees name becuase something told me he had lied, well i found 2 numbers for that employee listed a landline and a celluar but what struck me as odd was the fact that the numbers was programmed at to different times the celluar in 2008 and the landline programmed in 2009 because i purchased a new celluar for myself in august 2009 and my new number was programmed before the employee landline which i figured out by the speed dial input.

    so i called the celluar and never got an answer called the landline and the guy answered the phone, so finally i got a hold of my hubby's new celluar and cross checked and the employee was listed again but this time it was only the landline, so i checked a month later and then it was also a celluar listed different number than the one that had been in 2008, so i called the new celluar listed and the guy answers the phone.

    so i text him from a different number asking for a fictious person in october 2010 and he responded and told me that i had the wrong number and that he had this number since sept 2010, which the celluar in 2008 should have still been his if in fact it actually was.

    so i had a pi research the old celluar number and it came back as a prepaid cell with no info so my money was refunded. and now if you call that number you still get no answer just rolls to voicemail.
    i even called the employee as a telemarketer and asked him if he was the preivious owner of that celluar number and he told me that he didn't recognize it

    so i guess my question is do you think that might be the lady number, and my husband programmed it under his co worker number, i know this lady was a stripper and have heard stroies of strippers who moolight as escorts who use prepaid phones, and would you think he cheated or am i paranoid as he'd like to make me out to be

    im sorry for the length of this post but im so frustrated today, i want to believe that im right but he has told me you'll never find anything and also told me i will dig myself in a whole and i find my self second guessing everything but the way he said it to me was kniving and then tops it off by calling me stupid, and this is the same man who stop me from calling that number by begging and pleading and said to me and i quote
    what will everyone think....

    and i later thought he cares more about what other people think of him than me ...

    so what do yall think

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    Hello and welcome to the forum,

    About 2008: Based on the text, your husband has obviously been at a strip club with the person who sent it. It's likely that the argument was far fetched because he had already done something without telling you, he had already been cold and distant and so on. Maybe he went there without doing anything, or he was somehow convinced you had cheated on him that he wanted some kind of 'revenge'.

    You also mention that he can get "unruly", hence you had a friend with you at some time back then. Does he become violent or verbally abusive? Does he have a bad temper? To have a friend over in order to "feel safe" when you discuss shows signs of something seriously going wrong in your relationship.

    As for the present: You've gone through extensive research on the subject, even had a pi search this number. What he's telling you is true: you will never find anything. But this is not the worst problem here. The worst problem is that you neither trust nor believe him anymore. He has obviously told you a number of lies and you've been trying to prove him wrong every time, but a liar hardly ever admits to his lies, whether he's married to you or not. Especially when he knows how to cover his tracks.

    You want to believe you are right, but unfortunately nobody can prove this to you. Something happened 2 years ago, whatever it was that happened it's impossible to find out today, unless your husband tells you the truth. The way things seem to be in your relationship by how you describe it, he has no reason to tell you the truth because he's certain he's the only one you know who can tell you this truth.

    What you should be concerned about is:

    - Your husband has become someone you don't trust or believe anymore. Do you want to spend the rest of your life with someone you don't trust?

    - You say that your opinion doesn't matter to him. That's another reason for you not to want to remain married to this man.

    He's 33 so I'd guess that would make you anything between 25-33. You're too young to be stuck with a man who lies and has lost your trust. This would also make him the only man you've had a relationship with as an adult, which can explain why you have tolerated his behavior for so long, although this doesn't justify your tolerance.

    If you don't want to spend the rest of your best years investigating your husband's life (and nobody wants that) I suggest you have a serious discussion with him about the future. Whether you have children or not, you cannot go on like this. People don't change. He won't.

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    I found all this rather confusing but while it seems that he hasn't been very forthcoming, it sounds like you are really stretching to find something, anything against him. It sounds like you've got a button and are trying to pin a vest to it. Maybe you need to just focus on what it is that you want more than what he may or may not have done. If you want out, you don't have to justify it, not being happy is reason enough.
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    i love my husband, and yes i have never been in any other realationship he is my highschool sweetheart. and we do have children so its not that i would just be making a decision for me, i know in my heart if the kids where not in the pictured i would have just left becuase no one deserves to be treated the way i have, i watered down the argument to save time i was attacked by his family, physically so thats why i brought a friend to my home ...he put me out the house that night the house i helped him get i have given all i have to this relationship and this is how im repaid everyone arounds me says it'll get better you have kids so i guess im suppose to suffer for everyone, im in a real bad place there's times i look at him and i think of hitting him with something and then i think what about my kids i know he's lying but i can't do anything everytime there is another hurdle to jump i search hard just to prove im right thinking if i can get something iron clad he'd have to break right he confess we'd deal with it and move on but i can't even get that, so i sit here in limbo pouring a drink, im snappy for no reason sometimes im just a house wife no money no resources what would i do he'd get our kids its like either way i lose i leave on assumptions and no proof ive have to walk with nothing and if i stay and live like this i'll lose my sanity or my life

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    Confusion, lies, denial, a woman's threat...

    You are not happy in this relationship, the love you have, has long gone, that's your denial.

    He jumped when you said " I know " and you do know, but you can't put your finger on it, the proof, he continually denies is any such thing, proof.

    Since 2008 you've been more miserable, you recall dates, months, and for two years you've been torchering your self till July 2010 another "date" and now, March, 2011 you've found us

    He himself has viewed Divorce, be wary go speak to someone about "your rights" yes you have rights too.

    If you want something iron clad, "you know" so there is something happening now... Follow him, with your camera..

    You are not suposed to suffer but if you do not know which way to turn, then you are in limbo and the glass of wine is your comfort...

    You can't keep jumping hurdles nor let this eat you up the way it has, 2008, 2010, 2011..dates...

    Go and seek a lawyers advice on your rights.

    And, stay with us, because we can hear you...

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    A woman's instinct is a POWERFUL force... that little tingle in your gut, that pull in your chest -- we are all conditioned to rationalize away our gut instincts. A mama bear knowing her cub is in danger... doesn't sit and say 'i'm just being silly' and goes back to chewing twigs (or whatever bears do lol) nope... they go find their cub... cause they KNOW... what they know, they trust that pull in their chest.

    Something is amiss. You might not be able to put your finger on what... but something is off and you know it. So instead of driving yourself crazy trying to figure out what that is... look at the man you have, not the one you'd hoped he'd be... not the one you think he may have been at one time, not the one you'd think he is if he turned out to have done your worst fears... not any of that... look at the man you actually have... and ask yourself if he is treating you the way you deserve to be treated. Ask yourself if you are treating him the way he deserves to be treated.

    Does he make you feel special and loved? Do you try to make him feel that way? Do you enjoy his company or can you not wait til he leaves the house? Are you affectionate? Is he? Does he respect you? Do you respect him? What would it take for you to believe in him? What would he have to do to reassure you? If you haven't figured that out yet, there is no way he ever will be able to. Ask yourself what you need to feel secure in this relationship and once you know in your heart what it is, ask him if he can do for you the things that would be needed to make you feel okay... and since relationships going sour rarely are one persons fault... ask him to also tell you what it is you can do to make him happier, what he wants or expects of you... and disclose what you want or expect of him.

    You are married, you have kids... you could have a happy family all together... but he's got to have his heart in it, if he doesn't... you are only having the illusion of a happy family. You've got to have your heart in it or same thing, its all just an illusion. So decide, for yourself, with or without evidence of wrong-doing from 2 years ago...whether or not this is the man you can trust, love, respect and get all of that in return.
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    thank you for the responses i really appreciate all of your input... he once told me in another conversation that if ever thought i was unfaithful to him he'd just get revenge and i thought dually noted. So basically he already admitted that its in his character, when i first mentioned to him about the rumor spread by his family member of me cheating he denied ever hearing about it but later changed his story. i told him i don't understand how he would ever think such a thing seriously you have to have time to do things of that nature and between being a fulltime stay at home mom i barely have time to read book, our kids are young, i don't go anywhere but to the store, and far as me sneaking out his grandmother lives with us so she sees my every move so that story was just far fetched by evil in laws, now i will not lie the friend that claim was involved is a pretty nice guy and at functions he always find the time to talk to me when my husband is not paying me any attention, but we're chatting in public so it's not as if im hiding that , but i guess his family believed we were to chummy in conversation and im not suppose to talk to anyone, which is ludacris i never stop my hubby from chattin with someone, that would show i didn't trust him.

    i have never accused him of cheating up until 2008, never thought i would have too, i always told him when i have to start to worry about where you are and who you are with then we don't need to be together, he goes out with his buddies and that haves never been a problem and when he's off sometimes i go hang with my sisters and never seem to be a problem either, until that year he was always interested in my schedule, he'd call to see what i was doing but when i got wind to the fact that he may have been up to no good he became unreachable by phone, the same man that use to call from work and chit chat on break turned into the man whom never answered the phone.

    i recall one time that year i had been trying to call him on his celluar for something important and he never answered or called me back so i eneded up having to actually call his job to get a hold of him, well when he came home he had a whole fit asking me how did i get his work number, i was like im your wife im suppose to have your work number and i had a legitimate reason to call you so what is your problem, then he tells me that if i call on weekends i want get through, im thinking whats that suppose to mean but i just let it go as usual

    then we were talkin oneday when he finally decided to act normal and call home like he use too and i told him that sister had called for him and did she get a hold of him and he told me no and that i was the only one he had spoken to all day but as we was talking on the phone a coworker came in and i could hear him clear as day he said every time i come in here your on the phone, and my husband seem to get upset i can tell when he's get mad, and the guy in the back kept on talking saying do you ever stay off your cell, im listening thinking that he wasn't talking to me all day and today was the 1st day in along time that he actually cared to call home so who was he referring too, my husband couldn't get this guy to shut up so he told me let me call you right back, and he did call back but when he did the guy in the back ground was not there anymore...


    my hubby has always been pretty good with our finances but i found out after looking over documents of that year 2008 he not only spent us near broke but had even bounced a check for our mortgage, he started charging everything and he never would use credit cards always proclaiming that if he couldn't buy it with cash he just wouldn't be buying it but he near maxed the credit cards out and still didn't have much money but when you look at our income for 2010 another picture is painted, theres way more money laying around then back at that time so what exactly was he doing, and who would change there celluar number for you unless there is more than meets

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    Initial thought, does your husband have or had a gambling problem?
    There will always be boundries, but making love is so different, than having sex, let's face it. CW

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    Try this, quit trying to prove anything past, ironclad. The next time there is something that really looks very iffy, find out what you can but don't tell him anything. Just tell him you KNOW what he's been up to. (in your mind you can hold an image that you know he drove the car that morning - you do know that) Don't tell him anything except you know what been going on. Let HIM tell you. Be prepared, don't act shocked if you hear things you Didn't expect, just nod your head and say "and?".

    No big scenes, no accusations, let him tell you.

    In the meantime make copies of All financial documents. Get a copy of your credit reports from annualcreditreport dot com. You are legally entitled to one freebie from each of the 3 agencies a year this is the site endorsed by the Federal Trade Commission, usually you can get it on line. Print it. Or you can get it by mail by mailing the form from ftc/credit. You may find that there are accounts and debt you didn't know about. If your name is on any of the accounts you can get copies of the bills to see where the debt came from. The credit report should also show bank accounts. Reports aren't always up to date it depends on the credit company or bank and how often they report but it will give you information.

    Get copies of bank statments (should be available on line) Print or save everything to a flash drive and give it to a Trusted person to hold. Maybe make two, give one to a trusted freind and the other to your attorney, my experience is that attornies are really good at losing stuff so never give them the only copy of something. If you end up in a divorce you need to be able to verify actual income and expenses or you could become liable for debt he ran up wthout your knowlege. You don't want to be paying off his affairs if he had any. (I've been there and that's a bitter pill).

    Talk to an attorney and find out your rights and what you can expect. Most do a free 30- 60 min consultation that allows you to get a feel for whether you want to work with them. You can visit several to assess that and can get a lot of info that way if you know what you want answers to. Have a back up plan, start putting aside a little money so that if it all goes south you and the kids aren't starving in the dark.


    "i know in my heart if the kids where not in the pictured i would have just left becuase no one deserves to be treated the way i have"

    This tells me that you will need all this info at some point.
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