So, is he still taking the stand of him wanting out? Him wanting that to be the final nail in the coffin, thinking you would leave?
I am still mystified at the recent development in our relationship. My husband of 2 1/2 years (together for 9 total) has always led me to believe that he loved me dearly, that he would never hurt me, and I trusted him completely. While most women freak at the thought of their man going to strip clubs, sometimes I'd either go with him, or let him go with friends - I trusted him. He texted my friends foolishness - I didn't care. I trusted him.
Mistake.
I went home for my mothers wedding for a 2 week period. He was back here, alone in our house. I encouraged him to call friends and go out - I knew I'd be busy, and wouldnt' be able to respond to his texts/calls as much as I'd like. Honestly, I was annoyed while out - he just seemed so needy all the time. So I did ignore him a bit more than other people - I called him almost every day.
He apparently has been feeling neglected for a while. We've talked about it before, but he always ended it with, "I'll never leave you, I love you, I'll never hurt you, etc.". I believed him. I am not an overtly sexual person, and he is. I never bothered him about his porn habits (they're not often), or his flirting with my friends. I TRUSTED HIM. Stupid me. Naive me. I noticed a year ago when he got REALLY drunk that he was rambling about how he was miserable, but I will not talk to someone when drunk. There is no reality there - it's a cowards way out. It's what my parents always did, and what I will never do.
Back to my little scenario. I'm gone. My friend is a walking horomone and I told him explicitly that I didn't care who he hung out with while I was gone, just not her. He calls her drunk and she comes over. Spends the night. She goes to her room, but he follows her, and cuddles in bed. They don't have sex, but they're cuddling in the spare room. Morning comes and he pulls her tighter. She says nothing, but snuggles in and sighs apparently. He gets on top of her and she pushes him off and says no - twice. He leaves the room.
In his head, he wanted me and him to end. He knew this would be the nail in that coffin. He knew it would end us. He also told me that if she kept going - he would have too. He wanted to kill our relationship. And all the while, here I am on the other side of the country, happy as can be with all my old friends talking about what a great guy he is, how lucky I am, etc. He was feeling so lonely, so bent out of shape.
Now, on a side note, I've been hurt LOTS in my life. I should have been aborted because they really shouldn't have been parents. I am happy with myself, and my life (or for the most part) but they did some damage that I am aware of and work on daily. He, when I met him, was convinced he had no emotions. Well, he learned that he did, and he's been working on them, btu he has this insane idea that he has to deal with everything alone, all the time. He can't ever just feel - he has to drink to feel, drink to hide nervousness, drink to even talk! He has difficulty verbalizing anything.
Anyhow, to summarize, he told me when I got home. I wanted to leave him, but I can't. We've been talking, and he's said he never got to live out these 'pick up a chick' days (I was his first real relationship) because he was always too shy, but that he has learned he doesn't want it anymore, after his attempt.
I want to believe he's honest, but he's been lying about being okay for 2 years - how can I be sure? how do you move on? It's been 3 days and I still can't let him touch me on his own accord. I can reach out and hug him, but I don't want him touching me. I've turned into psycho wife, insisting on him never being without me now, no texting my friends unless I see, and no alcohol. It's only been 3 days but he's been good... but let's be serious here. It's been three days! Of course he's still terrified...
I think some day he's going to leave me for good. I'm tired - I don't want anyone else. I love him, the stupid jerk, and I just am totally lost. Do you ever stop thinking about how he held her when he touches you? Can this be forgotten, or at least passed by to some degree?
Oh Lord, help.
So, is he still taking the stand of him wanting out? Him wanting that to be the final nail in the coffin, thinking you would leave?
Friendship Prayer
May the fleas of a thousand camels infest the crotch of the person who screws up your day and may their arms be too short to scratch.
Amen
Whoever said anything was possible obviously never tried slamming a revolving door.
Well no. He's been saying that although it was horrible nad he hates himself for hurting me, it made him appreciate me. He is happy he's being honest with himself, and he feels free. I just feel terrible, but I guess I'm wondering if I shoudl feel that way or not. He's trying..
Bottom line: IF your friend had been willing, he would've had sex with another woman that day. And why? Because he missed out on his "random sex" days? Because he felt neglected because you trusted him therefore didn't smother him? See the irony there?
Yeah, that's classic. You'd think that guys have some of secret "quote" book they ALL use when they cheat. He knew your friend would tell you eventually and that it would be received better coming from him. I mean, really....he has to hurt you to appreciate you?it made him appreciate me
He doesn't want to lose you. But at the same time, sounds to me like this guy isn't happy being "tied down" in a relationship. At the same time, if you give him freedoms he feels neglected. It sounds like he's not mature enough for a marriage/committed relationship.
I couldn't. I may not hate you for betraying me, I may not wish any harm upon you.......but I'm never going to forgive it enough to be with you and love freely, feel free and happy and in love again. I decided I wasn't going to cheat myself out of those feelings of being crazy in love, free, totally trusting just in order to stay with him. I couldn't. People apparently do sometimes forgive this type of indiscretion. Or at least they say they do and tell themselves they do. Whether they trly do, or just say they do so they can stay with the person......who knows.Do you ever stop thinking about how he held her when he touches you? Can this be forgotten, or at least passed by to some degree?
"Be what you're looking for."
"The next time you're thinking of kicking someone when they're down, offer them your hand and help them back up instead."
That's a question I'd like answered too. I have yet to hear from anyone who has made it over the hill in problems with cheating. I feel like I'm doing better with my personal self, but not sure if my relationship with my husband has improved. Obviously you don't just forget hurt like this, but I don't think of it all day anymore. Staying in the relationship is starting to seem like a constant reminder. If he says the wrong thing, or acts the wrong way, my guard is up instantly. I just can't seem to wrap my head around how a person can get the trust back, and have a strong, healthy relationship after being hurt so bad.
There is alot in what you have said that indicates to me that you do not personally like alot of affection..
You don't like clinginess, not that much into sex, you ignore his text messages deliberately, you ignore his "pleas" when he is drunk because you've grown up with that and resent alcoholic people, probably they were non-affectionate themselves..
You mention you didn't think he had emotions then he found them, probably because he was/is never sure of your true love to him and so his in-security has come out.
In my opinion, you have one person that is afraid to love and another person who wants to be loved..
Past is past, you have to let go of yours, I can feel the disappointment of whom your parents turned out to be, and the life you had, now you are stronger for it, but are you closed off of love? You say you love him but listen to what he has been doing/saying before this and if he says he went to do it, to leave, then he had a motive at that time, it wasn't to cheat at all, he chose the person he thought would "make" it happen, she didn't... He was crying out to be heard.....
The issues are, real...
Open up and allow yourself to be loved, and also by yourself, love you.
And, work towards showing that love that I think, he needs to feel secure and in that, he'll back off the needy and clinginess because he will feel it.
Sex also, believe it or not is important in a relationship it bonds people together if it is not always just horney sex, rather, intimacy, two people feeling.... It doesn't mean you have to have an equal sex drive, but that you find him attractive, you find him sexy, and when together, he feels the bond..
It's easy to get out of that pattern and view it as sex and not be in the mood... But, just like everything relationships need love, work, and sometimes compromise, giving, from either of the party....just because that is what keeps a relationship healthy.
So can you trust him? Yes, I think you can.. I think he was crying out for what you already observed and have basically squashed as needy, when it's not that... He needs to know he is loved and not ignored he's been trying to communicate it
He apparently has been feeling neglected for a while. We've talked about it before, but he always ended it with, "I'll never leave you, I love you, I'll never hurt you, etc.". I believed him. I am not an overtly sexual person, and he is.
I think that people in a relationship should make a real effort to provide each other with a satisfying sex life. I don't know how "neglected" he was feeling so I can't tell in this case. In general though, I think there is no excuse for cheating IF you have a partner who is willing and eager to please you in bed (and assuming you do the same for them). On the other hand, if someone's reasonable sexual needs aren't being met in their relationship, I can't really condemn them for satisfying them somewhere else.
Now, when I talk about needs not being met - I don't mean missing a few days because someone is out of town, or if someone is sick or injured, or if these "needs" are unusual / aberrant in some way. I only consider this an excuse for cheating if this is a long term persistent problem that their partner is unwilling to fix.
Thank you all for your thoughts. I know it sounds crazy, but I know I have not been fulfilling his emotional needs, simply because he can tell when I am "faking it" and he hates it. We've been talking so much, so honestly, that I think we might be okay someday. I do have trouble loving, for sure. I am full of motherly love, but passionate love I have very little. I need to rediscover it in myself.
I am always the first to say "leave the ", but deep down I knew it wasn't just me, and I couldn't leave. Don't get me wrong - I have enough self respect to leave if need be. Because I am hard, I know I can do it. I just honestly can't be without him, because I feel so little, but for him I feel more than I can for anyone else.
I am always still open to opinions, but thank you so far.
Good insights from CW.
Is this another case of getting into a long term relationship too young.
It sounds like he got angry with you- got drunk - got your friend involved - she possibly fancied him anyway - and he tried to stray.
I dont think you can get blind trust back- and you probably shouldn't either for your own benefit. But with time you can probably come to to accept him for what he is- warts and all and overlook and allow for his shortcomings. People are multifaceted and will have weak points and strong points. It sounds like he has a few emotional weakpoints.
And in your own admission you have your share and these contributed to the issue.
It is early days yet but you could both try to heal the emotional damage that your parents did to you- This may help you bond more strongly over time.
Perhaps have regular bonding sessions. Share a few intimate feelings - spend time in physical touch . Massage is very good for this.
It's not crazy, it's reality. Look honestly okay someday is not going to happen, he's crying out for your love, he tried to find a way to leave but couldn't because he also does love you.. You know, it so difficult if you were never loved, never felt love to give it un-conditionally without fear... You just feel well, you will get hurt again so why bother...Well I am here to tell you bother... Just because you didn't get it? Doesn't mean you follow their path do you want to be like them or learn from what they didn't have and ensure you are not the sameI know it sounds crazy, but I know I have not been fulfilling his emotional needs, simply because he can tell when I am "faking it" and he hates it. We've been talking so much, so honestly, that I think we might be okay someday. I do have trouble loving, for sure. I am full of motherly love, but passionate love I have very little. I need to rediscover it in myself.![]()
Motherly love is by the "baby" un-conditional you can't get hurt... See the difference?
As I said, you do not have to live like your parents did, rather, grow from it and give love un-conditionally to all that has entered your life the truth is you will never get hurt, if they choose to stuff up, you will smile , what a shame you never knew what you had, or what a shame, I knew how to give and you didn't, they are the lost ones not you, so quit this past and start entering your present and create a future . The one you deserve.
If you love him? Close your eyes and see the guy you met, keep them closed and let him love you and feel him, not it, him.. Otherwise, you will end up a very lonely old maid closed off to touch, to love...
Now you are being tough, protecting your fear, telling yourself you can stand it alone in lifeI am always the first to say "leave the ", but deep down I knew it wasn't just me, and I couldn't leave. Don't get me wrong - I have enough self respect to leave if need be. Because I am hard, I know I can do it. I just honestly can't be without him, because I feel so little, but for him I feel more than I can for anyone else.Is that what you really want? To be alone all your life because you protect yourself? I think you need a good cry
And, then I think you need to say I love me yay I am not like them and I will not be closed like them how they were to me, I am ME.....
Do we not realise that in order to find a soul
It doesn't happen over night
if truth were to be told.
Like everything in life that's hard to achieve
you must believe!
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