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    This bill was recently passed and got me really thinking. I am in support of all gay rights and gay marriages. What I’m trying to say is that I’ve been getting into some serious conversations with some people about this. What do you guys think about this?
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    This is quite a topic and there are several ways of looking at it. We are in a time of change and many of the institutions and attitudes which have been in place for a long time are in need of rethinking. With increasing mobility, the virtual loss of the extended family in much of the developed ( and developing) world, increased longevity and changing attitudes toward sexual relationships regardless of gender mix, we need some new solutions to how people commit.

    Few would argue that children are best raised in a positve committed relationship or that persons in positive committed relationships are the backbone of most communities. Personally I don't see that it should matter if they are the same gender or complimentary genders. Additionally I believe we need to rethink marriage as the only legal relationship, especially where child rearing is concerned. For example, if two or three single parents wish to create a household for the purpose of providing their children with a stable home life, they should be able to create a contractural relationship (which is what marriage is legally) which allows them to purchase a home together, ensure that the household is insured and perhaps provide for one adult to be a full time, at home acting parent to all the children, they should be able to do so. Of course this type of arrangement would requre emotionally mature adults- something the world is sadly lacking but there is always hope!

    Some writers have suggested that contractural relationships may be in our future, particularly for people who wish to have a child together but not to commit to a life time marriage. This idea involves a contract to have child, to stay together for a designated period of time and the responsibities each would have toward the other and the child. Again this would require emotionally mature individuals who are capable of rational thought and behavior - Maybe these ideas won't work... at least not with people (LOL) might work well for Vulcans. I think I'm fairly rational most of the time but am still a pretty emotional being.

    Actually I like the idea of a renewable contract, a couple agree to a year, five years ,what ever and then have the option of renewing or not. It would require that everyone have their own insurances, investments, retirements and separate finances and those who wanted to keep a relationship going would have to work on keeping it fresh, communicating and meeting their own and their partner's needs. For some people traditional marriage is great but for other's of us it's disasterous.

    This may not be what the OP was looking for but it's my chain of thought.
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    I'd like to break marriage into its 3 parts:

    1. A social contract. This can be anything you and your friends think is acceptable. There is no need for government involvement in this. You can marry an number of any gender of people your social group finds acceptable.

    2. A religious rite: This is up to your religion. If it says a man and a woman - those are the rules. If it says a man, and any number of women - those are the rules as well. If you believe in your religion, you believe its rules come from god, so you better follow them. Again the government has no part in this.

    3. A legal contract: This covers payments (alimony) if one partner leaves, child support, joint ownership, etc. Here the government should be involved in enforcing contracts. You could have a variety of contracts, and a couple (or larger group) could choose from among them. Almost all of the legal effects of marriage are available as normal legal contracts.
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    Well, the only thing I have to say is ..Just as the gays have a right to be what they choose, I have a right to teach my children when I FEEL they are ready. NOT when schools/gays do...Had education code never been brought into this prop I wouldn't have cared either way how it turned out. But as it is, this prop effected the education codes...and if it would have passed it would have given other's rights and taken mine as an American...

    Sorry, It's not naive/ignorant(or any other word I have been called) to decide that your kindergarten child is TO freaking young!
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    Rcoreyus put it very well.
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    Wow...you guys could not have any better than I could have. Yea... I'm all for gay marriage and gay rights. I just wish something can be done. I feel like it is so unfair that they would ban gay marriages. This whole thing reminds me of a movie though. I just can't remember the name of the movie.
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    Definitely a tough subject indeed. And timely question too because I just finished reading the book prayers for bobby. Such a heart wrenching story that deals with ignorance (and eventual enlightenment) about homosexuality). The mother in the book was just awful and rejected her son for being homosexual. Unfortunately, it took a huge tragedy for her to see the errors of her way and she ended up being a tremendously influential gay rights activist (all a true story).
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    I say, "Love is love. The mind will never win, in any matter, over the heart."
    ~A wrong is unredressed when it is unaddressed. If you don't stand up for yourself, who will?
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