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The problem is that eventually technology will let us fertilize an egg and grow it into a person completely outside of the womb.
Originally Posted by WildChild
Personhood was on our state's ballot last election. It failed but in this state that stuff can be a close call. It is indeed a scary concept it devalues the life of the woman in favor of the fetus.
The problem is that eventually technology will let us fertilize an egg and grow it into a person completely outside of the womb.
They can do this already.
What they cannot do, and I don't see how this will ever be possible... is remove an embryo and artificially grow it. It would die in the process of removal... hence it's not viable and the whole "surviving outside the womb" test.
I really don't think implementing such technology would ever be a good idea. The world is already overpopulated. Could you imagine how many more people there would be if EVERY pregnancy went to term? How many more unwanted children and overcrowded orphanages?
In a way, I think abortion is healthy for society.
On one hand I see more abandoned, unwanted children.
On the other I see couples finally being able to have that baby that they've always dreamed for. Although there are other options to help people acheive this dream. But this would be another chance for them, if it were to ever succeed.
"To be yourself in a world that is constantly trying to make you something else is the greatest accomplishment."
Ralph Waldo Emerson
Pro - Life.
Last edited by Little; 07-22-2009 at 10:58 AM.
"All the beats and melodies keep realities at bay but what happens when the records done and starts to fade away? Alone within myself again, I try to veil away my pain. The dirty grey surrounding me 'round..... And now I hear no sound."
I stand in favor of pro-choice. Women need to be responsible not get pregnant in the first place if they don't want to have a baby, however, forcing a woman through pregnancy she doesn't want is like holding her hostage.
What about women who physically can't go through a pregnancy. Where the very act of labor and delivery could put them at risk of complications and possibly even death. Is their life no more valuable than that of the embryo inside of them?
What about the woman who is raped at knifepoint, or the 13 year old girl impregnated by her own father... should they be forced to relive every second of their painful experience with the constant reminder of what happened growing inside them every day if they don't want to. What if doing so would create great emotional harm to them? Is their sanity no more important than the embryo inside of them?
What about the girl that gets pregnant but CAN'T tell her mom and dad out of fear of their reaction, fear of getting kicked out or disowned, this girl being refused by law to have an abortion may find herself hiding the pregnancy because there is nothing else to do... then abandoning or even harming a living baby she delivers on her own in her basement/closet/high school prom bathroom, etc... is a living baby experience that kind of pain less important than the embryo it once was?
I love children. Have one of my own from an unplanned pregnancy. I didn't want to have a baby, but when push came to shove I knew I could not have an abortion... I felt this baby was brought to me for a reason , that there was no way I could deny it life and have never regretted my decision and its enriched my life in ways I could never describe. My child is the love of my life.
I don't understand how other woman don't feel the same when faced with the choice... but thats what it is, a CHOICE... thats what it should be in my opinion. People can tell you what they think of choosing abortion, they can consider it murder, they can consider it a useful tool for population control.. they can consider it anything they want.. but to determain that because you feel a certain way that someone else must then also is not the society I want to live in.
Scars remind us of where we've been...they don't have to dictate where we're going.
I voted Pro-Life. Why? Because you know there are hookers and prostitues coming in every day to have abortions so they can keep their "job". If there isn't a restriction, then there wil be more prostitutes and they won't care about killing something, they just go in and get an abortion. If we set restrictions, the number of prostitutes will probably drop. And not to mention teen pregnancy. That wil also drop. But I think if it was a special situation, such as rape, you should have that choice. I was a rape victim, but luckily I did not get pregnant. I do know people, however, that have gotten pregnant from being raped. Some wanted to keep the baby, some didn't. If we ban abortion all together, it will make a lot of people mad. If we don't do something about the people who get abortions, a lot of people will be mad. We need to find a medium.
Beautiful do you have any stats to back up this information about prostitutes? I can't find anything to substantiate this claim.
Okay... I said no bashing other's beliefs, but this little rant warrants some serious questioning for the poster to consider...
Are you aware that prostitution is illegal?
Also, I HIGHLY doubt they just go in and have abortions like it's a trip to the dentist. Abortions cost between $300 and $1400 dollars without insurance, and seeing as prostitution is illegal, any "self-employed" women who choose this would not have any coverage and face the full charge. How many do you think will pay for it?
I say, if you want this to be a feasible claim, then consider mine when I say that it would be far more likely that such women (obviously having no other choice, to their minds, but this) would risk a coathanger abortion, especially if abortion was outlawed.
That's not even taking into account the broad claim you made with no evidence that it is true, or that a substantial number of abortions even come from prostitutes.
This is a blatant non-sequitor. One simply does not follow the other.If there isn't a restriction, then there wil be more prostitutes
Do you seriously think a bunch of girls are hanging around, saying to themselves, "gee, I wish abortion was unrestricted so I could go myself out" ?
No one wants to be a prostitute. It's clear to me that you really have no concept of the kind of women who feel they are forced to such work.
Non-sequitor.and they won't care about killing something, they just go in and get an abortion.
How does unrestricted, by any stretch, equal "we don't care"? Or even better, why would someone who wants an abortion care any more or any less about the dying embryo restricted or unrestricted?
There already are restrictions. No abortions after 24 weeks.If we set restrictions, the number of prostitutes will probably drop. And not to mention teen pregnancy. That wil also drop.
Again, prostitutes are such because they feel they have no other way to support themselves. It's not something they want. They're not suddenly going to think, "oh no, abortion is restricted, let's not do this anymore".
And really, would you want a prostitute, a woman desperate for income, to have baby? What kind of life would it have? Even if she gave it up, do you really think that with her desperate income situation, she'd be able to afford giving birth? (Which averages over $8,000.)
Why do you assume that teen pregnancy will drop just because of an abortion restriction? It's an unfounded claim, and really, another non-sequitor. (You seem to have a lot of these.)
Teenagers become pregnant because their sex ed is lacking, and they do not have proper knowledge of contraceptives. Sometimes even contraceptives can fail.
Do you think teens want to be pregnant? Do you seriously think they think to themselves, "well, I can always get an abortion (which will cost me HUNDREDS), so let's not use that condom (which only costs a couple bucks a pack)"?
THINK.
This is something I never understood about some Pro-lifers. Perhaps you can enlighten me.But I think if it was a special situation, such as rape, you should have that choice.
Why does a "special" situation lessen the value of the fetus' life to you? Why are you willing to kill a rape fetus, but not a consensual one? What is the difference?
Why should only some women get to control their own bodies, and not others?
There is a medium. No abortions after 24 weeks. That is before the fetus is viable. You have your compromise.If we ban abortion all together, it will make a lot of people mad. If we don't do something about the people who get abortions, a lot of people will be mad. We need to find a medium.
My best friend is now 22-years-old. She was born at 22-weeks! It was highly unlikely she would survive but she did. The doctors suggested aborting her because she was too small and her mom went into early labour.
"I think it's legal to 24 weeks because it is still missing very necessary pieces of development which it could not possibly develop once removed from the womb. After that point, I think most doctors say it's possible the fetus can survive, though it would not develop as fully, and would probably have medical issues later in life."
She just graduated from university and doesn't have any medical issues. I voted pro-choice. I'm glad my friends parents decided to not have the abortion.
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