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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopeless Dork View Post
    They CAN sign away paternal rights, they can't sign away child support obligation.
    I see. Yeah - he never paid child support anyways, so that was a non issue (if you can consider it that) and her husband wanted to adopt him. Sad really...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallygirlie View Post
    But of course a women will have the final say, it is her body.
    In reserving that right, I think the woman should also hold more of a responsibility to act in a prudent manner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopeless Dork View Post
    If men want to opt out -- they need to opt out of ejaculating inside random women.
    These random women should also refrain from allowing these men to ejaculate inside of them.
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    OTYA, your right she should not allow him to ejaculate but he should also do his part to prevent this. Why is bc mainly placed on the women. You have no idea how many men will try to lie thier way into a women letting them have sex without a condom. Remember I spoke of allergic to latex guy. I wasn't on BC and he knew it, yet he'd try to tell me how he'd pull out or whatever. To bad for him I'm not stupid. Either way you look at it, 2 people made a choice to have sex, a baby is concieved. Both are responsible. Theres just way to many ways to protect yourselves but like i said before, even if its a freak think that happened like BC failing then why should the women be placed as being souly responsible just because a man wants to give up his rights. I think a simple thing they are wanting to pass is going to open up a whole other case of worms
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallygirlie View Post
    OTYA, your right she should not allow him to ejaculate but he should also do his part to prevent this.
    I'm saying - if the woman recognizes that the burden of pregnancy, child birth and rearing a child will probably fall upon her, by nature, she should be more prudent and accept more responsbility when it comes to sex than a man who knows he can walk away.

    Not saying the man isn't a piece of shiot. I'm saying that women recognize this, but still continue to make reckless decisions.

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    Why is bc mainly placed on the women.
    Simple - because women haven't demanded that men bear that responsibility.

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    You have no idea how many men will try to lie thier way into a women letting them have sex without a condom.
    And so what? How ignorant is the woman if she falls for that crp? She could always say "no".

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    Either way you look at it, 2 people made a choice to have sex, a baby is concieved. Both are responsible.
    Agreed. But rightfully or wrongfully so- by human design-the burden of pregnancy and thereafter lies upon the woman. We can't change that. Call it sexist, blah blah, that's the way it is.

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    why should the women be placed as being souly responsible just because a man wants to give up his rights. I think a simple thing they are wanting to pass is going to open up a whole other case of worms
    Yea- I think this is . I think if it comes to fruition, it will cause more abortions.

    I think if abortion was outlawed in the first place, more people would think twice before making irresponsible decisions.
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    well look at the popularity of the morning after pill now. not saying it was a bad idea but all it did is made it ok to have unprotected sex today because tomorrow I'll go get a pill to take care of it. MAP was mainly designed to prevent unwanted pregnancy after an accident like the condom breaking or what not. Now it's a get out of jail free card. I do agree that if abortion was outlawed then people would make more responsible choices.

    Ok so we know most men hate condoms. they dont like the feelings or whatever the case so they rely on women to take bc. So instead of trying to fight for men being able to give up there rights whenever they want. Why dont we create some kind of bc for men. make them responsible for there own actions. They then would have atleast the same options as women on preventing. Is it humanly possible, who knows, with science now days, anything is possbile. Although this would send the STD rate through the roof (thats another subject in itself)
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    Quote Originally Posted by OhThereYouAre View Post
    These random women should also refrain from allowing these men to ejaculate inside of them.
    I don't disagree, but if a woman gets pregnant she will HAVE to deal with it one way or another - these guys want to reserve the right to cover their ears and say na na na na.

    Women should be careful of course men even more so since the ball is out of their court once their sperm makes a home in her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallygirlie View Post
    Why dont we create some kind of bc for men. make them responsible for there own actions. They then would have atleast the same options as women on preventing. Is it humanly possible, who knows, with science now days, anything is possbile.
    There is no money in birth control for men.

    Women have borne the difficulties with anything related to pregnancy and children for thousands of years. They've never demanded that men take some repsonsibility.

    It isn't going to work now.
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    I don't agree that prohibiting abortion or MAP would lead to better choices or fewer pregnancies. Actually countries that have legal abortions, have a lower incidence. What does happen is women seek out illegal abortionists and end up at a much higher risk and higher death rate.

    The problem is an unrealistic, "moralist" approach to the issue. Simple fact is that people will have sex and in far too many cases women have been conditioned to submitting to men's preferences and desires. A surprising number of women have a real problem saying "No" and setting limits when dealing with men. Add to that, at least in the US, that this movement has been lead by a group that is attempting to legislate morality based on their religious beliefs and there are problems. I live surrounded with this, my state has become home to some of the strongest groups promoting this type of action. I've talked extensively with some of them, they want nothing short of total legislated compliance with their belief system's sexual values. That means no conception control, no sex w/o marriage, some of them would even like to ban condoms - after all if you are having sex only within marriage and accept that any children produced are divinely ordered, there is no need for them.

    How many of you are prepared to live this way? Better education, better options for conception control, a increased sense of resposiblity, making conscious informed choices, will make the difference. Not laws limiting or taking away options.
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    A father cannot just sign away his obligations to a child without the mother being in agreement. If men were able to do this, opt out of responsibility for their children, most of them selfishly would, and we have big enough problems with single mother's having to raise children with no help. I am one of them. I understand where they are coming from, and see their point, but it isn't exactly completely fair that we get the stretch marks or go through labor. I say we create a group that if we get pregnant, the man has to pay for laser surgery on our stretch marks since he doesn't have to get them. Or that he has to be admitted to the hospital to get a basketball wedged up his hiney while we are in labor. Fair is fair. Lol.
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