Fairy Tale Redoux - Page 2

OhThereYouAre · 09-29-2009, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by WildChild

Iffy.
Ariel gives up her voice (the ability to express oneself and ones needs) in order to get legs to attract a man she has never met and only seen once. He is attracted to what? Her complete inabiltity to function in society? Silence? Looks? It certainly isn't her intelligence or wit (she has no voice and is unknown to him, trying to fit into an alien world). In the original story she ceases to exist becoming sea foam. Disney takes her from her family and loved ones to live separated from her true self.

Princess Jasmine has some spunk and in later stories is apparently a black belt but it gives an impression of cultural freedom that absolutely does/did not exist in the world she comes from.

Pocahontas's story isn't quite what might be thought. Did you know that colonial America had so many people "going native" that entire villages emptied? They passed laws with a penalty of death for joining tribes in some areas. Pocahontas had sad end disconnected from her people and trying to live in an alien culture.

The Story of Belle, teaches what? That abusive, self focused men can be transformed into loving princes? If a woman is good enough - ah yeah, right.

Well, if you're so inclined to see the glass as half empty, I guess there really isn't anyone who could say anything that could help.

These females also possess admirable traits and in the movies are potrayed in a positive light. Whether or not the viewer wishes to take note of that is up to them.

**Isabellacat** · 09-29-2009, 05:10 PM

In Sleeping Beauty I would make Prince Philip be the one who's sleeping in the scary castle and have Princess Aurora be the one who wakes him up. I mean guys sleep more anyways and plus it would be a cooler story.

**WildChild** · 09-29-2009, 05:12 PM

I start this thread to have some fun coming up with new twists on the stories. I'm sorry I allowed it to get so far way from that.

Most of these stories are about women who sacrifice themselves or are caught up in other people machinations and their only way out seems to be to be rescued and then to marry the rescuer whom they don't even know. I don't see much of a positive message in that. For someone derisive of the fantasy wedding as a goal in life and of some women's excessive concern with looks and such, I'm surprised to find support for something I see as feeding that type of thinking. But we all have different perspectives.
I used to discuss with my kids what the charactures could have done differently to alter their situation for themselves.

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Originally Posted by WildChild

Many fairy tales were originally teaching stories that were twisted to teach other ideas later on. I thought it might be fun to recreate some popular fairy tales into something more empowering. What would you do to give them a better message? Why is there always a wicked older woman instead of a helpful one? Why does the girl always have to be rescued? Why can't she save herself? Maybe we could do this like some other story threads where everyone adds their bit?

**WildChild** · 09-29-2009, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Isabellacat

In Sleeping Beauty I would make Prince Philip be the one who's sleeping in the scary castle and have Princess Aurora be the one who wakes him up. I mean guys sleep more anyways and plus it would be a cooler story.

LOL, I agree. How could she prick her finger on a spindle anyway? My spindle doesn't have anything you could get pricked by. Oh I know who or what does... Never mind, not going there.

**Isabellacat** · 09-29-2009, 07:57 PM

OMG I trip off that too.... True how could she hurt herself with the spindle?? I never liked that part when I was little.

**Little** · 09-29-2009, 08:59 PM

On a positive note, has anybody looked into the Princess and the Frog? I know it's not out yet, but I was looking at a storybook/stickerbook for it at work today.
It's about a girl whose family is black in 1920's New Orleans. I don't know in what way she is a "princess," but apparently her family has worked very hard to make a restaurant successful. She apparently turns into a frog when she kisses a frog prince, rather than being rewarded for randomly falling in love with a frog

Looks promising!

**WildChild** · 09-29-2009, 09:20 PM

LOL, its a twist at least. I like Shrek because Fiona gets to be completely herself and he gets to be completely himself, they don't worry about what others think and find what works best for them. His rescuing her works because it forces them each to really "see" the other.

But back to Sleeping Beauty. She gets drugged into sleeping for 100 yrs and then marries the first man who makes the effort to get to her. What can we do with her and the Priince? (NOT what Ann Rule did) If she's drugged she really can't get herself out of it... Maybe her parents need to be more proactive instead of throwing out all the spindles and destroying the weaving industry. Is this a diamond for a hymen story? Or is it really more directed toward men-if you fight through the obsticles you win the girl? Maybe Beauty needs to get out on her own, get some education and start a business?

**rcoreyus** · 09-29-2009, 10:52 PM

Don't get me started on Twilight either.

**WildChild** · 09-29-2009, 10:56 PM

Never seen or read it. Maybe I should ask for a review? Or would I be happier just skipping it?

**CHANDLERS WISH** · 09-29-2009, 11:03 PM

Dear me,

Well all I can add is I want to be eaten by a Wolf, lol so which story was that from?

hehe.

CW

09-29-2009, 08:59 PM	#16
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09-29-2009, 09:20 PM	#17
WildChild WH Moderator Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Western USA Posts: 8,690 Blog Entries: 6	LOL, its a twist at least. I like Shrek because Fiona gets to be completely herself and he gets to be completely himself, they don't worry about what others think and find what works best for them. His rescuing her works because it forces them each to really "see" the other. But back to Sleeping Beauty. She gets drugged into sleeping for 100 yrs and then marries the first man who makes the effort to get to her. What can we do with her and the Priince? (NOT what Ann Rule did) If she's drugged she really can't get herself out of it... Maybe her parents need to be more proactive instead of throwing out all the spindles and destroying the weaving industry. Is this a diamond for a hymen story? Or is it really more directed toward men-if you fight through the obsticles you win the girl? Maybe Beauty needs to get out on her own, get some education and start a business? __________________ We can only learn to love by loving. Iris Mudoch, British writer

09-29-2009, 10:56 PM	#19
WildChild WH Moderator Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Western USA Posts: 8,690 Blog Entries: 6	Never seen or read it. Maybe I should ask for a review? Or would I be happier just skipping it? __________________ We can only learn to love by loving. Iris Mudoch, British writer

09-29-2009, 11:03 PM	#20
CHANDLERS WISH WH Head Moderator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 12,653 Blog Entries: 8	Dear me, Well all I can add is I want to be eaten by a Wolf, lol so which story was that from? hehe. CW __________________ Women are Angels And when someone breaks our wings.... We simply continue to fly.........on a broomstick... We are flexible like that .... White Witch. Register! \| Rules/FAQ \| Contact Mod

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09-29-2009, 05:10 PM	#12
Isabellacat Gold Contributor 500+ Posts Space Invaders Champion! Join Date: May 2009 Location: SF Bay Area Posts: 1,133	In Sleeping Beauty I would make Prince Philip be the one who's sleeping in the scary castle and have Princess Aurora be the one who wakes him up. I mean guys sleep more anyways and plus it would be a cooler story.

09-29-2009, 07:57 PM	#15
Isabellacat Gold Contributor 500+ Posts Space Invaders Champion! Join Date: May 2009 Location: SF Bay Area Posts: 1,133	OMG I trip off that too.... True how could she hurt herself with the spindle?? I never liked that part when I was little.

09-29-2009, 10:52 PM	#18
rcoreyus March 2008 "Poster of the Month" Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,742	Don't get me started on Twilight either.