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**WildChild** · 09-02-2009 07:14 AM

You can use the friends only option on your photos, that way only people you select can see them.
You've had some options presented here that you have dismissed out of hand. You really should rethink that. My personal rule of thumb is, if it won't hurt and might help, I'll try it. What OG and CW are talking about does work. You program or reprogram yourself constantly. everytime you state that this or that won't work, you are programming yourself, you are reinforcing certain behaviors and responses. You are doing it without a clear and conscious intention.

What OG is suggesting is to have intension and purpose and then to use some techniques to bypass your resistance. Presented right, your brain will accept whatever you tell it, no matter how silly or bady for you. You have programmed yourself with some negative, self damaging behavior. you can reprogram to do something different. How easy is this? How wide spread? Remember Jonestown? All those people drank the kool-aid and died. They did it willingly because they had accepted programming. You initially disliked purging, now you fight against anything that might help you stop. Why? Your programming.

You say that you do want help, but look back at the reasons you've given for not seeking it. You won't sign up for conseling because you might have to wait? What are you doing right now? At least get on the list, you don't know what options there are, not signing up there are none. OG generously offered to talk with you, people pay him for doing this. Knowing nothing about it, you dismissed it. At least get the book he suggested and read it. Another book you should read is, What To Say When You Talk To Yourself by brain specialist Shad Helmstatter. What you think, how you think, affect your body profoundly and probably not the way you believe it does.

You have to open up to possiblities and do something about this. Maybe you don't see yourself at risk right now but at some point you will be. Deal with it sooner rather than later!

**Kakie** · 09-02-2009 07:50 AM

Originally Posted by WildChild

You can use the friends only option on your photos, that way only people you select can see them.

thanks, yeah, just figured this out, have put it so only registered users can see them for the meantime, as i don’t really have many friends on here

Originally Posted by WildChild

You've had some options presented here that you have dismissed out of hand. You really should rethink that. My personal rule of thumb is, if it won't hurt and might help, I'll try it. What OG and CW are talking about does work. You program or reprogram yourself constantly. everytime you state that this or that won't work, you are programming yourself, you are reinforcing certain behaviours and responses. You are doing it without a clear and conscious intention.

i'm sorry if it seems i've dismissed what people have said out of hand, i can assure you that that isn't the case. perhaps i have just expressed myself wrongly, for which i apologise. i totally appreciate what OG and CW said about essentially talking myself into the right behaviours and i have tried this many times in the past and also more recently within the last week or so since it was mentioned, but i haven't found it to be effective for me personally. perhaps it is the case that some things that work for some people don't work for others and vice versa. i dont know. i have tried to 'reprogram' my thought process, i've written lists of reasons why i should stop being bulimic, i've stuck them on the toilet door, all over my bedroom, etc. i've done the same with encouraging/inspiring quotations. i've created a 'safe plan' which is basically somewhere i can go when i get tempted by food and i can just sit and know theres no opportunity for me to binge and purge there. i've read self help books including 'Bulimia Nervosa and Binge-eating: A Guide to Recovery' by Peter J. Cooper, which was recommended to me by an old doctor. i've hunted online for people's individual accounts of how they personally overcame bulimia, what methods they used to beat it and change their habits... so i apologise if it appears if i am dismissing help off hand, but i can assure you that this is most definitely not the case.

Originally Posted by WildChild

You say that you do want help, but look back at the reasons you've given for not seeking it. You won't sign up for conseling because you might have to wait?

no, sorry, this wasn’t what I meant at all.. I said..

Originally Posted by Kakie

i don't want that to happen and for it to 'inspire' me to get more ill. if that makes any sense? like "oh they won't help me how i am now, but they will if i get thin..". they're just going to laugh at me. nobody who isn't thin has an eating disorder

meaning that I have absolutely no problem waiting for counselling, if it were just the waiting. However what I fear is that the association with having to wait will make me think that I’m not thin enough to deserve help yet, and that will inspire me to have worse food habits. Because this has happened in the past. I swung quite seriously into anorexia a few years ago and I fear that the implication that I am too fat to need help at the moment will trigger that again.. I have no problem with waiting.. I have also tried counselling in the past, with a counsellor who was very good and I found very helpful for many other issues I have in life, however I didn’t find it helpful at all for dealing with my problems with food. Which is why I’m not rushing to a counsellor again as an option.

Originally Posted by WildChild

OG generously offered to talk with you, people pay him for doing this. Knowing nothing about it, you dismissed it.

once again I’m sorry but you seem to have misunderstood what I said, I at no point dismissed the help OG kindly offered, I simply stated that I was not able to obtain it through skype – which is something that is beyond my control, short of buying a new computer there is nothing I can do about that! I did however try and approach gaining help from him through another medium of msn…

Originally Posted by Kakie

thank you very much for this kind offer but unfortunately skype makes my (old and slightly temperamental) computer freeze.. my best friend has just moved to australia and this is proving an issue.. so sadly i can't use skype.. i do have msn though. i dont know if that is any use?

Originally Posted by WildChild

You have to open up to possiblities and do something about this. Maybe you don't see yourself at risk right now but at some point you will be. Deal with it sooner rather than later!

thanks, I am trying to..

**WildChild** · 09-02-2009 08:21 AM

Ok m'dear. The thing is that while some programs and authors try to make it sound good, making lists, putting up notes - won't do it. As advertisers have known for years, there is a way to present things to get your subconscious to accept it. It would be too much to go really in depth here but there are ways to present things, emotional impact plays a big role as does repetition. Really, read one of Helmstatter's books. He explains that it is just what you say to your self, it's how you say it.

You did it just now. You set an expected response, told your brain what you expected to have happen no matter what else is done, "However what I fear is that the association with having to wait will make me think that I’m not thin enough to deserve help yet, and that will inspire me to have worse food habits. Because this has happened in the past. I swung quite seriously into anorexia a few years ago and I fear that the implication that I am too fat to need help at the moment will trigger that again.. " You need to understand what this sort of self talk does. Understanding and having more information about how your brain processes information will help. What OG does is to help bypass the conscious mind and get to the unconscious were the real stuff goes on.

Everyone is different, but I feel you are an intelligent young woman, you recognize the problem, why not educate yourself on how your brain processes info? There is some great research going on. Current technology is allowing researchers to "see" how the brain responds to all sorts of input and they are finding that it really does work very much like a computer. While we can consciously work with the info (I think of that as the mind) the brain itself is very much GIGO and is lousy at distinguishing what is and isn't true. You can use that consciously to your benefit or let it just run and take in destructive stuff - like anorexic behavior. You have to train your mind (your ability to reason and make choices) to control your brain. Otherwise it's like having badly written software running your computer. You may get the job done eventually but at what cost?

I don't mean to pick on you. I want to see you having a healthy life!

**Kakie** · 09-02-2009 09:28 AM

Originally Posted by WildChild

I don't mean to pick on you. I want to see you having a healthy life!

yeah, i know, thank you, i really do appreciate your comments, i shouldn't have replied so defensively sorry.. i've ordered the book u mentioned in ur earlier post from amazon and so i shall give that a read when it comes.

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