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    For 4+ years now I have been with the most amazing woman in the world. She has taught me that I am capable of loving more deeply than I ever imagined. She has taken a man who grew up in a family where love and tenderness were rarely displayed and made me into a man who loves nothing more than a kiss, a caress or just a loving look from her. This time has without a doubt been the best of my life. She has made that possible and I am leaving her.

    My wife has PMDD. I’m no doctor and there is no test that can 100% certify that she has PMDD, but she does. Every month for a period of 5-10 days, my wife becomes a woman I don’t know. During these times she hates me with a level of emotion and passion that you could never imagine. She says things that cut me to the bone in so many ways I can’t even believe the words could be formed. She does things that no wife should do in a marriage and then a week later its like it never happened to her.

    The words she uses are so impressively hurtful it is as if she can look deep inside me and know at that moment what she can say that will inflict the most pain and then she doesn’t just say it, she architects a weapon of words that is beyond belief.

    I hate you
    F you
    F your kids
    I could have so many guys better than you and I will
    You violated me
    You ruined my life
    You are an old, hairy, p%$$y and how would you expect me to ever want you
    You are a horrible father
    You are worthless

    I list those words and it’s almost detrimental to this post. I read them and they don’t sounds that bad. I mean obviously they are not that good but they are not strung together with the clarifying thoughts that she adds and the anger and loathing that she delivers them with. The absolute certainty that I am the one and only thing that she has ever come in contact with that has created all evil and negative in her life.

    She has hit me multiple times. She has scared the living out of me more than that.

    During these times she is often convinced that not only doesn’t she want to be around me or have anything to do with me she truly wants to live a single lady’s life. She wants no responsibilities, no cares, and she loves to flirt and be flirted with. She has been out to a bar and ended up with two guys at one of their houses with just them and her until 5am. She has gone out of town on a whim to visit friends, met a guy and within an hour on the dance floor she is kissing him and then later telling him how much she wants him and how hot he makes her.

    She has lied to me repeatedly to cover for herself. Even when she is caught with blatant proof she still lies, then maybe shares a piece of truth surrounded in other lies, and then a bit more truth and more lies over and over again. She lies effortlessly. Once before our marriage she told me she slept at home all night, when I told her I stopped by at 8am and she wasn’t there she denied it and then finally told a story about a friend letting her sleep at her house and then taking her back for her car. Later I learn she was kissing some guy in the parking lot before this mystery friend took her home. She has tried to hide the phone number of a guy under some girl’s name in her phone to contact him later. But, it’s not the type of lies that hurt as bad as the pattern. When she lies it is like pulling teeth to get the truth. She gives a bit then lies more and that continues sometimes for hours and days until I get what seems close to the truth. She says she doesn’t remember and then she does. Her pattern of lying on top of lies makes it impossible for me to feel like I ever have the truth.

    I am abused. Just as I know that my wife has an illness called PMDD I know that I am abused. There is no other way to define it. I have been verbally, physically and emotionally abused for 4+ years. In a way she saw it all along, but without the intensity it deserves. She could so easily forget and ignore what happened. She would often talk with me about getting help. We would go visit doctors together, counselors together and separately, she went to a psychiatrist. Meditation, books, medication it was all tried in one form or another, but a week or two after the incident the priority would fade. Life was good. She loved me deeply and she was happy. Why take medications with all these potential side effects. Why worry. Then it would happen again. Every month.

    I love her so much. After each incident I would try to heal. I knew 2.5 years ago that this was tied to her cycle and I read about PMDD and other possibilities. I knew she had an illness. At the time I struggled with the “It’s out of her control” part. I always believed those times of the month opened a door deep inside her and let some really bad things out, but I also believed that if there was nothing behind that door in the first place then there would be nothing to come out. If she didn’t want to be with other guys, if she didn’t think all those things about me, then I didn’t believe that any disease could give her such creative talents.

    I became a different person because I lived in fear. I lived in fear constantly, not just during her “times” but constantly. I learned that anything I did that could in any way be misperceived was just fuel for her fire when her “time” came. I sell for a living and I sometimes have to travel. Over the years I have fought to keep my travel down and compared to the average person I don’t travel much at all. I’m maybe gone 3 or 4 days a month, but each of those days is a living for me in terms of fear. I do my role and I get back to my hotel room as soon as I can. Grab a beer after a meeting with my co-workers. Nope. Simply not worth it. I’ve never been that big into the social aspects of work anyway so this isn’t a big deal for me but the reasons why I do it are not right. Heaven forbid there is a woman involved in any meeting I have or on any phone call I need to make. These are simply timebombs. I live as though my wife flat out does not trust me. I am a different person because of the hate she is capable of during her times.

    There were times in the past where my first instinct was flight. As these days started to happen I would try desperately to get away from her. I figured if she wasn’t around me she couldn’t hurt me, but that wasn’t the case. Either she would find other men to flirt with and be around when I wasn’t there or she would come and find me and the delivery was often worse.

    I then tried to just respond as calmly as I could. Just simply take her words and let them come. I’m no good at that. I would end up responding to her wrath defending myself. Arguing with her made-up stories of who I was and what I did. Debating all her false perceptions of my love for her and the kids, but this was more than useless. Then she hated me for always arguing and debating. Telling me I just wanted to be right. During these times she is so 100% committed to her hateful opinions of me that no introduction of logic matters. I am the antichrist and she will not have it described otherwise.

    I stayed. I loved her and you have to understand the real woman in this story is truly amazing. Her laugh, her smile are from heaven. Her passion for life and for me are boundless and so beautiful. A simple resting of her head on my shoulder is so unbelievably refreshing, soothing, and loving to me that it must add days to my life every time she does it.

    I wanted her to get healthy. I begged her to look into medication. We read a book by Dr. Amen that was really great. So many of the stories in there seemed so consistent. I still see his treatment path as very exciting, but it is also very expense due to all the brain scanning required and we are in no state to be able to take that path. I read up a bit more on PMDD and found that usually birth control seemed to be the best medical option. The fear there as in most cases was side effects. My wife used to have migraines and one incident was at a time when she took birth control. So I get the hesitation, but I am willing to try anything. She has tried Zoloft and WellButrin although neither have really had a long-term chance to work. (she has been on WB for 3 months now).

    I look at the side effects issue and I just wonder if they are worse than what is happening. The problem there, again, is she doesn’t see these things as all that bad. On one level she knows she is saying and doing things she shouldn’t but it is as if she puts in on a whole different person. “That person over there says and does things she shouldn’t but I’m ok.” Why should she need to take meds? She just doesn’t recognize the impact.

    So in December of last year it was really bad and suddenly my reaction wasn’t about finding a cure it was about finding a way to secretly end my life. I don’t say that lightly on this board. I say it for what it is, the truth. I researched and I had a plan. I wasn’t happy with the plan because it was still going to be too obvious and I didn’t want my kids and family left with that knowledge. I just wanted it to be over and me to be out of the cycle. I didn’t have the guts to go through with it and I still to this day wonder if I could. I really doubt it, but the scary thing is I really wanted to. I hung on through January which was an ok month. She often has a mild month after a real doozy. Then in February the hate was back in her eyes maybe stronger than I have seen it for a long time. She loathed me. She hated me and everything connected to me including my kids and the words she used crossed yet another boundary for her.

    The snowball of pain, hurt and anguish that had been building for the last 4+ years just rolled right over the top of me and I told her I wanted out.

    I sit here today with plans of separation and divorce. Separation and divorce from the most amazing woman I ever hope to meet. A woman I never deserved and now a woman I can’t find the strength to keep.

    I don’t write this for advice. I write this as a warning or a wake-up call to any woman out there that has something that resembles PMDD. I know there are many untreated woman in the world, some with symptoms less intense than my wife and maybe some that are worse. Get Help!

    The day after you come out of one of these cycles, start to find help that day and don’t let yourself stop. Right it down that first day and staple it to a spot you will see every day. Put it in big screaming letters that you need to get help and you will not let that knowledge drop in priority. Don’t tell yourself “Oh, I feel better, my life is good, it really wasn’t that bad, I’ll be fine”. Go to a doctor and talk to them. If your doctor doesn’t understand PMDD find another doctor. If you have friends or family, talk to them, tell them you need help getting help and ask one of them to be accountable with you.

    PMDD is an illness and in many cases it can be treated, but it is a sneaky, crappy little illness in that it hides. It shrinks completely out of site and makes you think you are safe, but if it has come back 4 times it will come back 5 and 6, etc.

    If you are in a relationship, it is doing damage. Talk to your partner. Don’t ignore or deny what they are telling you about what you are like. Ask them to be brutally honest and believe them and know that this is an illness and you can get help.

    OK, as I said I’m not a doctor and maybe all of that is horrible advice. There are counselors and psychologists out there screaming obscenities at me right now, but I know the only chance I had to survive this was to get it cured. I’m too weak to hang on and hope.

    That’s the horrible thing about this for me. There is a cure. I pray my wife finds it. Unfortunately when she does it may be after I have lost her, lost the most amazing woman, lost the chance at the kind of love people search for. I will lose it because I walked away. If I don’t though, then what? The cuts are so deep and the wounds stay so fresh. I know where I was in December. I owe it to my kids and to my self to not be there again. I pray that everyone with PMDD finds an answer. Whatever I did to be at this cross roads in my life I am sorry.

    I love you, Baby!
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    I am so sorry you have been through this. It sounds like you have done all you can. Maybe if you leave this will prompt her realize how serious this is.
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    This is such an incredibly heart breaking post.

    You've done all you can and I hope that you do not blame yourself. This is an illness, one that is not always taken seriously.

    You are on the right track, you are right that you don't want to go back to where you were in December. You are a much better person than that and you need to be there for your kids. Be a constant in their life. Take care of yourself and those children.
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    It sounds as if she was loving until her hormones changed and in that, her with all the symptons of PMDD.

    I don't know how old she is but she could also be at the start of menopause and some people can not take it, they fly off the edge and go through PMDD symptons in addition...

    I know that good weight, healthy eating and walking does reduce the side affects.

    If she's been worse the past 3 months this drug she is on is not good for her at all.

    Your safety and your well being is important at the moment, more so...If you contemplated suicide then your depression is not at a safe level, besides any physical, verbal, emotional and mental abuse occuring.

    You are doing the right thing for you...I'm so sorry you've endured all of this, including her increased sex drive but need to go elsewhere...


    It also sounds that the pill worked for her I'd rather take that and work out the migrains than become a monster and lose the person I love.

    Sorry you've gone through this...If she won't help herself you can't do it for her. She has to find the answer even if it's going back on the pill.

    No person deserves that type of cheating and abuse..

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    life is too short to walk on eggshells every day of your life. I know, I did it for 20+ years. I too thought that nobody could love me like he did (love? bruises, broken bones, burns, verbal and emotional abuse)..but I was wrong and you are too. If she loved you she'd do everything in her power to fix what was wrong. Find somebody who is truly worthy of what you have to offer them.

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    Thank you for your post. I am more committed than ever to seek help. I love my guy beyond words. I cant imagine what I have put him through! I am currently on the highest dose of zoloft and am feeling better in my head....the side effects are very unpleasent, but not near as bad as what the love of my life must feel living with me unmedicated. I finally swallowed my pride and sought help when I was ready to let him go for his own sanity! I waited 15 years to have this man in my life and I was SSSOOOO sick and didn't want to be. His mother owns the clinic I go to and they all now know how sick I am, which having no insurance stopped me from getting help. I dont know if this is MY cure but I dont spiral like I have in the past and I am open to hearing HIS side of my illness and am willing to do ANYTHING after reading husband21's post. Thank you for saving the most meaningful relationship in my life.

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    I can so relate - exact same comments/attitudes with me for 10 years now. I love this woman so much and I've tried so hard to reason with her, but I'm afraid we're reaching the end and I'm really sad.

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    Tanks God I found this forum. Reading Husband21 story is like reading mine. My wife is in denial and we are having fights (unusual fights) since 2009. I always thought that she has PMDD but I was able to manage her mood changes. But in 2009 she got a well remunerated job as a Human Resources Director in an insurance company. She was in charge of 40 employees dealing with their problems. Since she got this job our fights become more frequent and nonsense. I think her new job exacerbate her problem. During a month we got 2 weeks as a honeymooners, the other two weeks are like living in a battle front. Just a few months ago she lost her job, but I think her PMDD has worsen. When she is in the PMDD mode she insult me and insult my children, and she has beaten me and my kids in an anger rage. As Husband21 says I'm not a Doctor, but I've been filling a journal since june 2010 and documenting the dates when she has her mood changes and the dates where we are more prone to have the nonsense type of fights and definitely all indicates she has the PMDD. She went to a psychiatry and the Doctor ruled out bipolar disorder or other mental conditions. But she doesn't want to visit her Ob/Gyn. Right Now she is at the peak of her condition and ask for divorce.
    I don't know what to do but since she does not want to visit her doctor I think I will accept her divorce petition, but what should I do in order to help my children?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikaro View Post
    I don't know what to do but since she does not want to visit her doctor I think I will accept her divorce petition, but what should I do in order to help my children?
    Get your kids out.

    You have your journal. I'd make a copy of it and give it to her when you leave. Let her read it if she wants. Let her decide if she wants to treat the PMDD (or whatever medical condition it is) and then the two of you can talk on a more rational basis.
    There will always be boundries, but making love is so different, than having sex, let's face it. CW

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    Wow You must be a very strong & loving man to have been able to go through it this long, let alone write about it in such a kind way.

    I also have PMDD, was finally diagnosed 5 yrs ago after sooo many years of doctors, psychiatrists, psychologists etc. It was a relief to find out that I am not just psychotic, sometimes the sweetest person, sometimes a b*tch from , & that there is hope. I've always been aware of the pain I caused my spouse (my kids I was mostly able to protect from myself thank goodness) though I often denied it, & the guilt was overwhelming. I developed an anxiety disorder because of it..it's hard not to be anxious when you don't trust yourself. I've tried various methods of controlling it, medications, changed my diet, cognitive behaviour therapy, counselling etc. I still go for counselling, mostly for the anxiety & guilt, & I have yet to find a treatment that works completely, but now I recognize the symptoms for what they are, PMDD not lunacy, & have learned that I can't control it on my own. Given that I'm a bit of a control freak about myself, accepting that I can't control myself & just make it go away has been difficult. The lack of info about it, & the stigma that is still sometimes attached to women's mental health issues (hysterical & weak, take a valium attitude from the past) hasn't helped. But I have accepted that it is a medical condition that I need help to treat, it's not failure on my part. I look forward to the day when it is under control, & I'm doing everythin I can to make that day happen soon.

    I hope your wife will realize how lucky she has been to have someone as patient & kind as you are & will seek medical advice. If she doesn't, then you need to protect yourself & children from the abuse & get out

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