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    Quote Originally Posted by silvertae View Post
    MDMA causes a rush of serotonin, which will temporarily make you feel as if there is nothing wrong with the world and everything is beautiful. But use of the drug depletes tissue stores of serotonin to such a degree that behavioural problems can result.
    I know. I found personally that MDMA allowed me to think through, muse upon and consider some of the deeper sources of my problems, without turning my back on them and ignoring them. In this manner, you can work through issues which under normal circumstances might be crushingly upsetting. It's certainly not a constant treamtment, but several one off events can certainly be very helpful. The seratonin depletion can be managed with 5HTP and other suppliments.

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    Ketamine is primarily used as a tranquilizer/anesthetic.
    Krystal, a professor at Yale University, is talking about the time he gave seven severely depressed patients ketamine, a mind-blowing drug developed as an anaesthetic but better known as a club drug. It was a long shot, but the results were astonishing. Though most of the patients found the ketamine experience itself unpleasant, once it wore off they had a far better feeling: the disabling and suicidal depression they had lived with for years had vanished.
    It's not just depression. Other studies suggest that ketamine might act with similar speed to help addiction, post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) and certain chronic pain conditions. Ketamine, researchers increasingly believe, may be a "reset button" for brains stuck in dysfunctional ruts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anonymouswhitefemale View Post
    I know. I found personally that MDMA allowed me to think through, muse upon and consider some of the deeper sources of my problems, without turning my back on them and ignoring them. In this manner, you can work through issues which under normal circumstances might be crushingly upsetting. It's certainly not a constant treamtment, but several one off events can certainly be very helpful. The seratonin depletion can be managed with 5HTP and other suppliments.





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    I do remember seeing some tv program about a sort of psych rehab clinic or something where people had has some major trauma and went there to do MDMA and work through it. But is is actually available legally to the general public as a supervised drug?

    I had never heard that about Ketamine, but again is it something you can get without being part of a clinical trial?

    I was more concerned with warning her off potentially dangerous usage of drugs gotten off the street, which is the usual method of accessing these kinds of things. I know I once got an ecstasy tablet that was laced with PCP. There was even a local news story about that batch of pills that were being circulated.
    Well some people say that you shouldn't tempt fate, and for them I can not disagree. But I never learned nothing from playing it safe; I say fate should not tempt me. I take my chances.
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    Both of these drugs cannot be legally obtained without being a part of an official medical trial, and the chances that you would be are slim to none.

    MDMA, like most other street drugs is cut, but far less so than ecstacy pills. Really though, how many people take these drugs recreationally all the time and how many people die? Practically none. There's less chance (for a few one off uses) than getting hit by a car when you cross the road.

    You could probably get clean Ketamine if you knew a vet, haha. But yes, Ketamine is being heavily studied as an antidepressant at the moment, seeing if they can replicate those effects without the intoxication and stuff, I think. Google it and you'll find some info I'm sure.
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    Talk therapy is great and if it works? I say go for it. Drugs can save your life if your really down and feeling self destructive don't swear off them if you need them. DO press for the drug that works the best for you with the least side effects if you need them. Wellbruten or WellbrutenXL help without killing your sex drive or making it impossible to orgasm. And unlike some drugs that are pure murder to go off Wellbruten is not so bad (But do dial down the dose per your doctors orders) "If" you ever go on it of course.
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    i've tried talking therapies but so far they haven't really helped
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    In terms of irrelevent anecdotal tales, I have found ketamine to have quite an effect on me, in terms of the way my brain functions. Having had quite a heavy dose yesterday, I awoke today (albeit a bit sluggish) with a more positive outlook upon my life, and actually a bit more proactive.

    Also worthy of note, is that I havent had any hunger for smoking marijuana, and the idea of it is relatively unpleasant, so the concept that is good for resetting addictions probably has a grain of truth in it.

    Yay for ketamine... hahah.
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    I know nothing about ketamine personally so can't agree or disagree with the comments made... I have however, taken various other drugs in the past that temporarily lift the mood and understand how they might help in the short term but I would feel very uncomfortable about suggesting that someone suffering from depression should take ANY recreational drugs as they affect everyone differently and could make the problem worse for someone with a slighter weaker (for want of a better word) mind than others. If you're used to dabbling then you might want to give it a go but at the end of the day drugs just mask the problem and that's no good long term.

    I agree that yoga or other forms of exercise to raise seratonin levels might help, and homeopathic remedies might be worth trying (for example, a friend of mine is a homeopath and has given me natural remedies for chronic period pain etc that have worked amazingly well). But definitely try psychotherapy to help you understand what is making you feel depressed. You know it was your break up that led to the start of your depression but there could be underlying reasons as to why you haven't since been able to get on with life as happily as you'd like to. The upset could have triggered other supressed feelings...

    I should add that I have suffered from and taken prescribed medication for depression on and off for 10+ years but was living with it for a good few years before diagnosis. Although I kind of know what caused it I still need ongoing therapy.

    I suppose what I'm trying to say is, try to avoid the short term fix. Look for ways to make you feel better naturally, keep occupied, try to forget the past etc.

    I hope you find what it takes to get you back to your normal happy self sooner rather than later because I'd hate to think of you telling someone in 10 years that you're still suffering.

    Good luck and take care
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    Sure, I'm not recommending persistant treatments... And I can only really talk about my own personal experiences (and those of people I know), not everyone. True happiness comes from within, it doesn't particularly come from the circumstances you are surrounded by or the chemicals in your system, although it might feel like it.

    Any external chemicals, be they prescribed or illegal, are only temporary crutches to supply the strength to take power over your own life. At the end of the day, I believe self exploration and actualisation (I guess, in a sense, becoming wise) is the only way to achieve happiness.
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    talking things out with someone - anyone - can be a big help. professional help works for some and not for others, although that may be more to professional than the person seeking the help. a professional I talked with didn't really help. Oh I forgot, she was the problem to begin with!

    really though, getting it out and getting it listened to by just other people has helped me in what I am trying to deal with now. Just starting my process and I have a long way to go,but at least it's helped me to stop crying and hating myself so much.

    Please tell us all 10 things you like and respect about yourself! Someone asked me that two days ago and it does help to level the field....
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    Quote Originally Posted by N01 View Post
    talking things out with someone - anyone - can be a big help. professional help works for some and not for others, although that may be more to professional than the person seeking the help. a professional I talked with didn't really help. Oh I forgot, she was the problem to begin with!

    really though, getting it out and getting it listened to by just other people has helped me in what I am trying to deal with now. Just starting my process and I have a long way to go,but at least it's helped me to stop crying and hating myself so much.

    Please tell us all 10 things you like and respect about yourself! Someone asked me that two days ago and it does help to level the field....
    i honestly can't find any good things about myself i think that's what i need to work on
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