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    i have 3 chidren who i love dearly a 8yr old a 5yr old and a 2yr old.
    my 2yr old is not the problem its the other two.
    they never listen to me or my husband.
    they currently share a room together as our home is small, i originally had them seperated from each other but they are too rough with the little one.
    there bed room is continually trashed its absoultly disgusting!!! there is food toys clothes paper thrown around the room i tell them to clean up but in the end do it myself because im sick of the mess. there only chores are to bring the dirty washing out the room put their clean washing away and keep their room tidy.
    i made them go through their toys each gave me a garbage bag of toys they no longer play with but it hasnt made a difference. ive made them sit in the corner, taken favourite items away, grounded them, banned them from watching tv, sent them to bed early i even yelled it makes no difference. i dont believe in smacking them, but im at my wits end and dont no what to do. my husband thinks we should take all their toys away so that all they have is there beds, cupboards, clothes and blankets till they learn to keep their rooms cleaned. he does not think they will be able to even keep that clean but i said there will be nothing in their room to mess up??? i dont know what to do any suggestions?
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    You and your husband need to come up with a plan and stick to it! so if they aren't cleaning up what are they doing? watching tv or playing video games? Take those away! Seriously do not be afraid to get tough. Sticking to your guns will be the hardest part. If you do not make this better now it will be a mess when they are teens!
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    I think you'll just have to power through a few times until they see that you are serious. Don't cave and clean it yourself. If you tell them to clean up, both you and your husband need to have a consequence for them not listening. If that means no toys at all, then so be it. Send them to their room to clean with a specific time period to get it done. Let them know that you'll be inspecting it in one hour and if it's not done all the toys are going into storage. Make them pack up the toys, then give them another hour to make the beds and tidy up their clothing. If they still don't do it, then have a consequence for that, like no tv for a week. Follow-through is going to HAVE to happen. Otherwise they will continue to walk all over you.

    Also, don't wait for the room to be an absolute mess before you tell them to pick it up. Have them make their beds as part of the morning routine before going to school. Set aside 20 minutes every couple of days for them to tidy up. Be sure to have a consequence for not doing so each time.

    Once they realize that you and your husband are serious and that consequences for not listening are going to be for real, then they'll eventually get it and just do it.
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    Wink Here's my book on the subject

    First you need to make it easy for them to do. I used different sized plastic bins a lot. We had two 30 gallon tubs for lego blocks and a smaller one just for lego people and their stuff, a tub for hot wheels, a big tub for dinosaurs, one for action figures (boys dolls you know), another tub for "animals", a tub for lincoln logs, one for tinker toys, even a small box for magnets. In my son's room I built a wood bedframe (easy to do with 2x6s) that put the top of his mattress about 4' off the floor, the larger tubs stored under the bed and it made a great play area, fort, cave, place to lay and read, just created more floor space in the room and made it easier to clean. And what kid doesn't like climbing?

    You can make bookcases to accomodate special items such as microscopes and boxes of slides, magnifying glasses, puzzles, as well as books. Each child should have one or two shelves for their own special stuff. Each should have accomodation for some special things that they don't have to share. You don't let your friends mess with All your stuff when they come over and the kids shouldn't have to either. Before freinds came over I used to ask, "Is there anything you don't want to share right now?" and we would put those special things away. This helps the kids establish their own boundries and reduces stress when they play.

    For stuffed animals you can get some small hammocks or sturdy "fish net" type fabric, edge it and put some hanging loops on it and hang it across a corner to make a "hammock" to put that lighter, squishy stuff in.

    Then you have to establish ground rule and You Have To Consistantly Enforce Them. If bed time is 7:30 (I'm a big believer in a consistant bedtime until they hit 13 or 14) then at 7 they Have to pick up everything before they brush their teeth. This means tossing it into tubs. Sometimes there may be a "special" game of something elaborate they've set up and want to keep so that may get an exception, but everything else has to be picked up. If they don't do it - it's yours - the entire tub of whatever. It gets put away for a week, a month - whatever seems appropriate. If they don't get witht the program then you take away video games (never allowed durning the school week when they were younger) TV, MP3s, anything that is a distraction. Truth is kids interact more and are more pleasant without that carp anyway. This may mean some changes for you, if they can't watch TV you may have to reduce yours. Once a week make a time to do a more complete clean up. I did this when my kids were little - their rooms are far from pristine now but they do get them cleaned up when requested to and it's never too bad. As they move toward adulthood you have to give them more leaway.

    Here's the deal, you set the standards and expectations. School work comes first (have two AP/honors students, as a sophmore my son is already being courted by some top colleges based on his PLAN and PSAT scores, my daughter has an academic scholarship to a fairly well known private college- I have some clue about stearing kids academically) When they come home from school; snack, talk about their day, find out what homework they have. I usually allowed about an hour to unwind, run around outside, play a bit, then it was time to settle down and get homework done. From about 3rd grade they should start keeping a planner, many schools require it. All assignments get written down - check it. Don't do their work for them, but monitor to ensure they don't get too frustrated and give up. Start building a reference library - don't let them just find everything on line. Books of Science facts, history fact finders, famous quotes, a variety of dictionaries. Get them the kids ones but have adult dictionaries too - I've got two shelves of books on language, grammar, and various dictionaries (still can't spell ).

    Make a game out of learning, driving in the car is a great time for this, I started giving my daughter words to spell or math problems to do in her head and soon her brother who is 3 yrs younger, was wanting to do it and answering some of hers. Kids love word and number play, rhyming, odd numbers, even numbers, prime numbers. It stimulates their minds and I found they were more cooperative in other areas when we were doing a lot of this. Read to them every day - yes, even the 8 yr old. I found the Berenstein Bears and Little Critter helpful because they teach by pointing out behavior problems and solving them - those books took care of more than one issue in my household. Don't limit reading to kids books, I read my kids The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter (they grew up with Harry and eventually read the last few themselves) Tom Sawyer, Huckleberry Finn, Nancy Drew, Hardy Boys (the old ones) with this we taked about how societies attitudes have changed toward kids and people. Get them some classical music to listen to while studying or falling asleep. You can research the studies on the effects on the mind. Make everything you can a fun learning experience. Really the more time you spend with them, with this type of activity, the more cooperative they will be in all areas.

    Let them earn new things. Really want that new action figure? Room has to be cleaned up regularly for a month. They can do more than just carry out their laundry. Get a 3 part sorter and have them separate the lights, colors and darks. Hey, lets make chocolate chip cookies! Oh, hurry, hurry, we can't make cookies until your room is picked up! How fast can you do it? Show me! You're soooo slow I'll bet it will take you an hour! If you do it in 30 mins we'll have a treat or do something special. Oh, when freinds come over and make a big mess, they should help clean up before they leave. Just very matter of factly, "Hey your dad will be here in 15 mins to pick you up, time to clean up".

    Consisitancy is the toughie. It is easier and less hassle to do it for them. You have to be strong with yourself about it. I still catch myself starting to do something I asked my teen to do and instead will remind him.

    Good luck, raising kids is as big a growth experience for you as it is for them! There aren't any do overs. Try to make getting it all done all as fun as you can, it's eaiser on everyone if you can.
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    I agree with everything WC said!
    "When one door closes, another opens. But we often look so regretfully upon the closed door that we don't see the one that has opened for us."
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    Default Been in your shoes, now it's 14 years later

    I wish I had only been very organized and had an exact schedule for the kids. I'm not one of those people who are like that, but after seeing enough examples of it I now know it would have been worth it to have forced myself to just do it. It's the staying on a consistant schedule and rules that will evenually get through to them or they will see, well this is just the way it is going to be. My 2 boys are very smart and hard headed. My husband and I have been to and back with them. I could talk about everything for hours. We had the same problems when they were your kids ages.

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    hi Sinner,
    u shouldn't be so annoyed because of ur children's naughty behaviors.may be they are still too young.u could give advices gently,not scold them
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    Sinner-Ok this is what I would do. Make a large chart. Put the chores on them, use a sticker or something that can mark what they did. When they clean their room they get a sticker. They get a sticker each day for putting dirty clothes in hamper (or where ever). They get a sticker each day for putting their clothes away. At the end of the week if they keep this up and they don't miss a day they get something...ie: a new toy, special treat, or time at the park. If they don't do it one day they don't get the something at the end of the week. Involve the children in the placing of stickers or what ever, but keep them in a place where they won't get them and place them their selves. I would remain consistent in punishment, time outs should be one minuet for every year they are(8yrs 8min). There should be a timer to tell the child that his time is coming to the end. Don't make a big deal if they have one leg on the chair than they are still in time out. If they remove themselves from the spot completely...put them back and reset the timer. It will be a struggle, but if you are willing to commit to the disciplinary strategies then you will be able to have a happier house. Also let the little one (if good) choose what to have for lunch or snack, when the others complain tell them they can choose when they start following the rules and behaving like good little boys. Reward all the children the same way, when you see the two rough boys being good reward them. Attention is sometimes why children act up. At first you may feel like they are always in time out but it will get better I promise.

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