Thread: Do men respect fake breasts?

Originally Posted by ItsASecret

It works as a hypothetical however there is considerably less demand for the 'penis on display' image. The demand for visuals of big boobs though, that is an unequivocal demand. Quite frankly, and I am sure many women would agree, the penis is simply not a thing of beauty. Flaccid, no thanks, that is all I have to say lol. That is not the guy's fault, but the penis it is just not something that women like to often see. Their SO's penis they may love to look at no doubt, but some stranger with an erect penis is not exactly what women are looking for. Contrary, a man will stare and ogle at a set of big boobs whether they are natural, full of silicone, full of gel, or the plastic on a manacan. They do not care if you are popping out of a see-through tube top or under a sweater, if there is definition of some bulges it means big boobs and they will be looking. Women are not the same type of ogglers when it comes to seeing a man's bulge between his legs. They do not stare, they do not talk with a face towards his crotch, they do not stare at the crotch of a man from across the street while they have dinner with their SO, they do not get into car accidents while looking at the crotch of the man walking on the sidewalk. Men do all of those things while watching big boobs, it is just the way society is now lol. So a restaurant can be made, it can have some men walk by an think they are now 'less than' but in society today there is absolutely no way a significant amount of men are going to feel 'less than' to the same degree and volume that some women feel because those demands are simply not there.

I agree. Also, I personally wouldn't put any guy down because of the size of his penis. But people think it's perfectly acceptable to make women feel inadequate because they don't have whatever they consider to be the required breast size. Even though you can't control the size of either...naturally speaking. I think that has to do with the fact that there is a lot more emphasis on women's appearance than men's.

skippypeanutbutter:

The point I want to make is that when a man looks at a woman with a flat chest and belittles her for it, he is making a judgement about her based on her breasts alone. He has already determined that she is not worthy of his respect, even as a human being, and therefore it's okay to put her down, all because of the size of her breasts. Likewise, when a man looks at a woman with implants and belittles her for it, he is once again making a judgement about her based on her decision to have the implants. He has determined, that she is lesser than a woman who did not have implants, or is lesser than she would have been had she not had the implants done. In other words, he respects her less because of her decision to get implants. The reasoning may be different, but the outcome is the same: less or no respect for the woman based on her breasts alone.
I understand what you mean about the strength aspect of it. I am sure there are women who went through a similar situation as mine, and chose not to have implants. I do admire their strength, however, I would be highly inclined to believe that their self consciousness about their size remains...just like my self consciousness about my implants remains. Any time people make broad generalizations, assumptions, or form opinions on a select group of people, you run the risk of causing psychological issues to form in those people. And you can get implants if you have a flat chest or you can just deal with it, but as long as people judge and belittle you about your breasts, you will be self conscious about them.
There are things that I don't particularly care for too. I understand that people can't help what they are attracted to and some men just aren't attracted to fake boobs. I get that. But I think it would be nice if men who said they don't like women with fake boobs would get to know the woman first, as a person, before passing judgement and forming an opinion of her based on her boobs alone.

Originally Posted by RockNRoll

skippypeanutbutter:

The point I want to make is that when a man looks at a woman with a flat chest and belittles her for it, he is making a judgement about her based on her breasts alone. He has already determined that she is not worthy of his respect, even as a human being, and therefore it's okay to put her down, all because of the size of her breasts. Likewise, when a man looks at a woman with implants and belittles her for it, he is once again making a judgement about her based on her decision to have the implants. He has determined, that she is lesser than a woman who did not have implants, or is lesser than she would have been had she not had the implants done. In other words, he respects her less because of her decision to get implants. The reasoning may be different, but the outcome is the same: less or no respect for the woman based on her breasts alone.
I understand what you mean about the strength aspect of it. I am sure there are women who went through a similar situation as mine, and chose not to have implants. I do admire their strength, however, I would be highly inclined to believe that their self consciousness about their size remains...just like my self consciousness about my implants remains. Any time people make broad generalizations, assumptions, or form opinions on a select group of people, you run the risk of causing psychological issues to form in those people. And you can get implants if you have a flat chest or you can just deal with it, but as long as people judge and belittle you about your breasts, you will be self conscious about them.
There are things that I don't particularly care for too. I understand that people can't help what they are attracted to and some men just aren't attracted to fake boobs. I get that. But I think it would be nice if men who said they don't like women with fake boobs would get to know the woman first, as a person, before passing judgement and forming an opinion of her based on her boobs alone.

Rock N Roll & Itsasecret:

Like both of you, I am sure a “sausages” restaurant would never work in society for the reasons you have outlined – more women than not do not care about penis size (thank goodness for women). Further, men can’t hold an erection for that long, even if they have the side effect of Viagra! I shared that idea more or less to communicate I empathize with you and agree with RockNRolls’ comment (#57) regarding how men would feel if penis size was on display and men were belittled who were small. Year ago, I did participate in a penis size contests and saw the look of shame on the face of the smaller guys -- I think such a restaurant would work, but ultimately I do not know if I would support it because two wrongs do not make a right. But I do think about how men would behave if the table were reversed and I would hope more would learn empathy – but who knows how men would respond – maybe more aggressive and there would be more fights!

I agree with Itsasecreat that there is an unequivocal demand for a breast image of lager boobs – that is why women need to resist them, not join the male dominated views by making their breasts larger and playing right into their hands!. I see not getting breast implants when small as resistance to male domination and I think those women will find better men (generally speaking – maybe I am wrong).

Rock n Roll:

In the book “survival of the prettiest” Dr. Nancy Ectoff highlights the very thing you suggest, that some men (probable more than not) find breast size as part of general attraction and will not be interested in them based on this criteria (e.g., women who are smaller as less attractive). That is why I see men as fairly pathetic and cro-magnum in their views of female attraction. I wish more men would have standards of health (fit person) but they look at inner traits as being more attractive. Now interesting, Dr. Ectoff suggests that if penis size was on public display like breast size that more woman would become socialized toward that as general attraction (e.g., just like some cro-magnum men who find larger breasts as a sign of fertility, I am sure there would be some cro=-magnum women that would see the same in a longer penis or larger scrotums). But doesn’t getting breast implants further reinforce this view of men being obsessed by breast size? I wish more women would reject the notion of breasts equating female worth and perhaps this might influence men more so?

With this said, and related to your personal background of having breast implants – also knowing I oppose cosmetic breast implants -- a non-superficial man should focus more on getting to know your personality and simply accept your past decisions and even though he might be opposed to breast implants, your personality and individual rights should trump his own dislike for them.

We disagree Rock N Roll, on various aspects of breast implants in this thread and others, but I agree with you that women are darned if they do and darned if they don’t and even though I disagree with you, I can empathize and do not think of you as some evil woman because you have breast implants. Hopefully, your BF will not either.

my 4 brothers doesn't! They said they prefer the natural size. They just want to look at big boobs but not call them GF or wives...its a mistress mystery.

Originally Posted by RockNRoll

skippypeanutbutter:

The point I want to make is that when a man looks at a woman with a flat chest and belittles her for it, he is making a judgement about her based on her breasts alone. He has already determined that she is not worthy of his respect, even as a human being, and therefore it's okay to put her down, all because of the size of her breasts. Likewise, when a man looks at a woman with implants and belittles her for it, he is once again making a judgement about her based on her decision to have the implants. He has determined, that she is lesser than a woman who did not have implants, or is lesser than she would have been had she not had the implants done. In other words, he respects her less because of her decision to get implants. The reasoning may be different, but the outcome is the same: less or no respect for the woman based on her breasts alone.

Right on. I wish we had a like button I would have clicked it 10 times. ^^^ The Truth.

So this topic hits close to home for me. My sister and I both inherited my mother’s A cup. My sister got implants, I didn’t. It doesn’t actually say anything about us as people. I’m not any more “real” than her, we just can’t share tops anymore (but I DID inherit a very nice bra collection!). We each had the same choice...she’s happy with hers, I’m happy with mine, and if anyone is unhappy with EITHER of our choices, they can take a long walk off a short pier. There is nothing wrong with having preferences, but if you think you can really make a judgement on someone’s character based on their body, YOU’RE the one with the problem. The reasons that people elect to have surgery or not are complicated, and to think that you know anything about someone’s reasoning is super egotistical.

We blame men a lot for being shallow etc etc and while there is truth there that SOME guys are pretty ridiculous in this way, I really don't think they represent the majority. Pressure from WOMEN can be pretty bad. I think in this thread it was female responders who first started using the term “bimbo”. Seriously guys, a lot of this comes from us. There are some interesting studies out there that show that it's more pressure from female peers that make women insecure than from men (particularly in regards to weight). Women think that their ideal weight is much lower than what guys say, in many cases. We (women) are guilty of comparing our bodies to each others', making comments, and having those nagging voices in our heads that tell us what we THINK other people are saying about us. We talk incessantly to each other about our insecurities, and in a lot of ways this is a negative behavior even if you mean well. For example, I have a friend of mine who weighs less than me but who constantly complains about feeling fat. I'm pretty secure, but when a thinner friend starts in like that I start thinking "well dang, if she thinks SHE'S overweight, I must be disgusting". Stuff like that. And in my sisters’ case, most of the hate that comes her way is from women. Just think about it for a minute, how often have you seen another girl walk by and turned to your girlfriends and said something negative about her? Dudes don’t really do that, it’s basically all us.

It's easy to blame the media and culture, and there's a lot of substance in that argument. However, we are also in control of what we consume For example, I am a tall girl, with a bigger booty and a small chest. I don't have a figure that is mainstream, and after some stressful teenage years, I have now at the age of 26 gotten to a place where I actually really like being a little different. Once I started having that confidence dudes started to pay a LOT more attention to me even though my appearance hadn’t changed. Confidence is sexy, period. And I don’t really think they obsessively compare the women around them to what they see in the media for the most part, I think mostly that is something that women do.

Whatever your body “type” is, there is some celebration of it, you just have to look for it and filter out BS that’s going to activate negative self-talk. Just as one example, I always think about this Kanye West lyric that makes me smile (despite how totally objectifying it is hhah) because it celebrates girls with my shape: "she got an a** that will swallow up a g-string, and on top, two bee stings". So...positive objectification of small chested women - and once you start looking you find a lot of similar examples. I try to keep things like that around, limit what magazines I CHOOSE to look through, and don’t shop places that make a whoooole lot of money by making us strive for the impossible (Victoria’s Secret, I’m looking at you!). We can’t control a lot of things about our environment, but I find that focusing on positive things and trying to filter absurdity is a helpful start.

But again to the most important point...none of this should affect how you judge other people. People who judge either way are not worth the effort it takes to be upset with them, and are to be considered bullets dodged.

Stella5:

I appreciate your thoughtful reply and agree with much of it. But there is one line I disagree with and it’s the one that states that if women get breast implants “It doesn’t actually say anything about us as people.”

The choice one makes does say something about us as people and our actions do affect other people. And that is why I think it’s fair to make judgments based on other people actions. I am an advocate for reconstructive surgery, but not cosmetic. Reconstructive repairs damage done from disease, accident or birth abnormalities.

So when I learn or see a woman who has smaller breasts who lives with them, I see women living the value of independences and being strong and not to bend to the pressures of society. When I learn or see a woman who has had breast implants I see her as having values related to jumping on the bandwagon of peer pressure, not as strong and independent women.

With this said, I want to make it perfectly clear that realize I as a male I do not know how strong the societal pressure would to have a certain body part on display in society, even when clothed. I have often wondered if penis size was on public display if this might make men for sensitive and emphatic (probable not, though). I also do not want to demonize women who get implants, but I do not see such women as strong and independent as women who can live with smaller breasts. So, I respect women who do not get breast implants more so than women who get implants.

Never, any kind of fake part men can not deserves so anybody do any thing but dont add fake in the life, so go through perfect and original.