You have captured my main thougths well. Thanks! But I would add that any act of getting breast implants -- outside of reconstructive surgery to repair accident, injury, disease or birth abnormalities -- harm the social notion of femininity, because the act of breast implants locates female worth by the size of her breasts.Originally Posted by ItsASecret
The question has been asked a few different times and a few different ways and you have still yet to respond to it.
To quote HD most recently...
"How do women with breast implants differ than women with naturally large breasts when it comes to making less endowed women feel bad?"
Also, along the same lines, what is your opinion on a naturally large breasted woman who gets a reduction without a medical purpose? Her naturally large breasts cause no back pain or anything of the sort, she just wants smaller breasts?
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Only thing I can think of is the conscious choice to opt for larger breasts...outside of things like cancer and car crashes and such. A quick example is in asking is why not opt for a breast lift if the boobs were "sagging"? In that scenario an already larger breasted woman can have cheaper procedure and with better end results. No silicone there, no "I did it because I wanted more spillage from the dress" nothing of that sort of stigmatization floating around in society...just a breast lift...it makes the breasts look just as perky as before without a mass stigma of "she totally wanted those fake boobs just so they would be bigger"."How do women with breast implants differ than women with naturally large breasts when it comes to making less endowed women feel bad?"
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ahh but what about natural big breasted women that want to spill out of their dress? No breast implants, just big natural boobs and lots of cleavage going boom pow everywhere ? How is that woman having LESS of an societal impact on women with small breasts than say a woman with big FAKE boobs that dresses conservatively? I just don't get why the issue is with fake vs real when it comes to the op stating it makes women with smaller boobs feel less than. It would still be, in my opinion, unreasonable to say women should be blamed for other womens insecurities under any circumstance-- but it would make more logical sense to say women that show off their boobs (fake or real) are having a societal impact than to say just fake boobs being the root of it all.
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Oh I agree that I am not sure how natural breasts are less of an impact, spillage is spillage no matter fake or real it can easily make another smaller breasted woman feel down on herself that she is not the visual that so many men are looking for (again not all women spill out to be the 'top' girl in the room and make others feel miniscule). That is just the way society goes no matter the intention or unintention of people, as long as there is an idea of 'better' there will be people comparing themselves. But the choice thing is the only thing I think people could legitimately come up with, because it is a legitimate statement...choice vs. no choice. Other than that I do not know. That choice to spend big money on big boobs compared to say a breast lift for example is more along the lines of doing it for the bigger visual appeal, simply because she has the choice of sticking with herself or going bigger because she wants bigger (of course this is not an absolute case for all, it is merely a rough generalization that could be said). I am really stuck as to any other sort of legit idea as to how real vs. fake huge boobs can have varying impact between eachother. I still think the hypersexuality is the main issue that women deal with though, and that can happen with smaller boobs instead of mis-shaped silicone melons. Stop the mass media sensitization that hypersexual flawless perfection is the only way to be perfect and all women can be much happier about themselves....at least that is how I see it. That would be the fantasy unattainable world lol...no reason to believe it would ever happen though.ahh but what about natural big breasted women that want to spill out of their dress? No breast implants, just big natural boobs and lots of cleavage going boom pow everywhere ? How is that woman having LESS of an societal impact on women with small breasts than say a woman with big FAKE boobs that dresses conservatively?
There are those who believe that dictionaries should not merely reflect the times but also protect English from the mindless assaults of the trendy.
Lanabear:
Sorry if I missed this question in previous posts. With this said, I think itsasecret has already provided a good explanation. Also, due to some life obligations I may not be able to reply as fast in the future (it might take me days, for example, to reply).
Any woman (or man) who behaves or says things that reinforces the notion that breast size/shape is an important part of female worth is problematic because it locates worth based on sexual objectification. Having a certain breast size/shape it so that a woman has a body desired by men – its not about the biological aspects of breastfeeding. So a naturally larger women or even a naturally smaller woman who flaunts her breasts is harming other women (and men) because she is further reinforcing the sexual objectification of women.
With that said, however, the very act of breast implants reinforce the notion that breast or related to female worth via body display. With this said, a woman with smaller breasts who is sexually displaying them in public can be much worse that a woman with medium are larger breasts that are fake who dresses modestly and professionally. However, the choice to get breast implants is a choice that support the view that breast are a vital part of female worth, for display purposes (whether in public or private, whether clothed or naked) and not for functional reasons, such as breast feeding. That is why I find all cosmetic-oriented breast implants (not reconstructive) as harmful to the notion of female worth/credibility.
My concerns would be similar for women who have naturally large breast who goes for cosmetic surgery not for medical reasons. If their reason is for (public or private) display – so they can look “feminine”– I find this harmful to ideology of credible femininity. All people should be valued due to inner attributes; not because of how they look.
I find it sad that women have to constantly be under societal surveillance and have to constantly do things to their breasts to be valued – be it making them larger or smaller or making them more firm or more bouncy.
What do you think?
I just read the whole thing. Great thread. It reminded me of a quote I heard somewhere that the only thing worse for a woman than being viewed as a sex object is not being viewed as one. I found myself disagreeing with the OP more and more, but still I did agree with quite a bit.
I wish I could ask him how he viewed sexualization of the breasts and other non-sexual parts of the body within a relationship, since he didn't seem to believe that sexual attraction and preference should be held at all in regard to the physical. Ah well...
That was good bringing up the Samoan view to. I've often wondered about those cultures since the human breasts are enlarged outside of nursing, get bigger during sexual arousal, and are an erogenous zone. They clearly ain't just for babies.
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