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    Quote Originally Posted by rhiannon34 View Post
    I think that essentially what you are getting at is it's for security?? It will make you feel more secure, I think that's why a lot of people do it. I myself don't see the security in it. Call me jaded from my last nightmare of a past marriage. But I just never did have the marriage fantasy in my head growing up. When I was a teen, when planning my life out (hehehe, what a laugh) I always said I would have a child at about 24 and then marry at around 28. I just never saw myself as needing to be married or apparently being ready for it as soon as I would be ready for motherhood. Never wanted to be the princess and wear a pretty wedding dress. I got married barefoot on a beach. I just think people cloudy up relationships with all the legal jargon and expectations. I am sure sometimes people do get some level of security from it, but it's a toss of the dice nowadays. You get more security in life from getting an education and aquiring financial security on your own. Relationship wise, there can be no real security. You cannot dictate the life of another person, no matter what you get signed by a judge. Your life, is in the hands of another human being, who is flawed, and emotional, and can change their mind or screw you whenever they feel like it. FYI, you can mortgage a house with someone without being married, you can follow him to Timbuctu if you want to too.
    In my opinion I think another reason for people wanting to be married is they get a lot from the social status. Women especially I think have a tendency to base their identities a lot based on their sexual statuses. Having the title of Mrs. just means some accomplishment to alot of women, like they are somehow a better person to others because of it. And that I don't really get either.
    For some women yea I agree, but I'm not getting married for Identity reasons and such. But that is what I see happening a lot. I suppose someone who is divorced would have a different mentality. I say 'to each his own' but be sure. Divorce is such a nasty thing and I for one don't ever want to have to go through it. But long term break up's can be just as nasty and unpleasent. I know that from experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhiannon34 View Post
    In my opinion I think another reason for people wanting to be married is they get a lot from the social status. Women especially I think have a tendency to base their identities a lot based on their sexual statuses. Having the title of Mrs. just means some accomplishment to alot of women, like they are somehow a better person to others because of it. And that I don't really get either.
    I completely agree, and I also don't get it. Watch any movie where a girl goes into a beauty salon and shouts out she's engaged... and watch the women circle her like dogs in heat yipping and yelping with glee, all wanting to see the ring... all wanting to know what dress she is going to pick and where the wedding is going to be. Now have a man go into a barber shop and announce he's gotten engaged and all you will hear is the opposite... OHHHH your life is OVER buddy...lol. They don't care about the wedding... they are instantly thinking of what life is going to be like beyond that. And I think so many women don't see beyond the wedding.

    Its like they see a wedding as their 'coming out' party, its is, afterall, the BRIDE'S big day!! Its YOUR day, lady, whatever you say goes!! I see tv shows with those bridezillas freaking out over every detail...demanding this or that be done... because this is the day she dreamed about her whole life it deserves to be perfect!!

    I think the problem with all this is women will hussle a man into getting married... for the ability to have that special day. Look at how many come to this forum and say they have the ultimate catch, a guy that adores them ... would never cheat, makes them feel amazing, is the man of their dreams but by golly its been 6 months of dating and if he doesn't get on the ball and propose this thing is over buddy!!!

    I can understand it more when its ppl that need to for their religious reasons... but for many they are already living together, already sharing expenses, having sex and all marriage will change is , nothing, really... but they get to have their day.

    I'm not trying to say that I'm better than the women that cling to the fairytale wedding fantasy OVER the fairytail happy marriage fantasy (2 very different things)... or that I'm better than the girls that coo and sigh and go bananas when a friend is tying the knot... I'm just saying I don't understand it.

    I think too much time is spent after becoming engaged plotting out whats going to happen on ONE day... than how the rest of their life is planned. I think if people spent the year before the 'big day'... hammering out all their feelings on the future, their hopes and dreams and making sure they share the same vision instead of which napkin rings and centerpieces they are going to be using , there would be a much better shot at success.
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    HD, I think you brought up a very point, and thats what society has said you should do. A term I learned in my few college classes was paradigm, an ideal that is taught to us to be the standard that we should live. So we are taught from very, very young, that when we grow up we WILL get married and have babies. That there is just no other road available. Little girls dress up their wedding dolls and take care of little baby dolls, and pretend cook in their little kitchens. And so we grow up and just assume we NEED to get married. But why????? I am not saying that it is wrong for anyone to ever get married, or that society should just do away with the institution of marriage all together. All I am saying is I personally don't see the value of it.

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    To me it all boils down to striving to be "normal". We all want to believe we "want" to be different, but we still struggle with ourselves when we stray off the norm. The problem with the word normal is this: "conforming with or constituting a norm or standard or level or type or social norm; not abnormal" Such an example being room temp. Someone, somewhere along the lines said "Room temperature is 72 degrees". And it became so that the "normal" temperature to maintain your home. But the problem is, 72 doesn't feel good to everyone. Some are freezing to death at 72 and others are sweating. So in the comforts of their own homes, they find a temperature that is comfortable for them......or they conform because they believe they SHOULD grow accustomed to what is the norm.

    What I just said may make absolutely no sense to some, but I relate this to our relationships, engagements, marriage, babies, etc. If you asked almost any young American girl what does it mean to be a normal women she'd most likely tell you something to the effect of: a woman that gets married and has babies and takes care of her family. But much like 72 degrees, what if that's not comfortable for some? Do you secretly adjust the temperature to suit you, or do you "conform"??

    Many choose to conform....because it's easier than the alternative. It has become "normal" for girls to get engaged and spend their engagements up to their eyeballs in wedding planning. And yes, like HD said, all the women old and young flock around her like she's been dipped in gold and they reinforce to her that what she's doing is "normal".

    Not so much an issue for "to get married or not to get married" as much as it is an issue of not being willing to conform to what we have decided is a normal marriage.

    Figuratively speaking, my temp is never set on 72........because that's not what feels right to me. And if it doesn't feel right.........chances are, it's not.

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