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    I would like to share my truly turbulent experience that I had with my ex-girlfriend, so that people can share their valuable insights and also learn from my mistakes.

    Right, where to start. I met her, she was my next door neighbour, when I was 24 and she was 39, together on and off for 2+years. I came into a right mess, she was a mess. She is an alcoholic/binge drinker for one who gets abusive physically and mentally. She has a big past which involved drugs and abusive partners, her biggest dilemma being her ex whom she was with for 3 years before he went to prison for cocaine related offences. He was never violent towards her much, however I had to find that out, as she claimed otherwise; he did however have a very abusive tongue and manipulated her through drugs and fear. She did not mention him to me when we slept together. This ex of hers was with her sister for many years since childhood and has a kid by him. When my partner and her ex got together at first they lied to her sister about being together for many months even though she knew about it, in fact my ex had the cheek to abuse her sister about how bad she was rather than the other way around! WTF? Her sister has never spoken to her again and will never speak to her in a million years, in her words she has no sister

    So I am the saviour right? In my ex-girlfriends words her own personal Jesus Christ my piece of heaven I am the one who can sort this girl out and I am the one she will spend the rest of her life with. So back to the relationship, her ex used to call her all day bugging her until she picked up the phone, one call after another mobile, home, other mobile never stopped and she would scream at him when she did eventually answer at how much she hates him and he should f off etc. This used to be a cycle every day and every day I believed she meant it, but I found it strange that the next day all would be forgotten and they would talk normally. She used to tell me that she loved me soooo much and hates him for everything he has done and for splitting up her and her sister, he was a horrible man. So puzzled I got angry and told her to stop talking to him and stand up to him or I would. You see at the beginning she kept me a secret as she was scared of what he could do. But eventually he figured it out as she was acting strange and he had so much control over her that he knew her inside out, they have after all been friends since school years I guess.

    So with great help from me she managed to talk to him and tell him about us. The threats start to her and me, abusive letters, phone calls, constant harassment. Everytime I was there to hear the phonecall she stood up for me and told him what she thought of him. She even called the prison a few times and got him punished for his threatening behaviour. He sent her letters everyday despite knowing she was with me that he loved her and would never give up on her. She said it was all about control and he never really loved her. She read every letter that came through that door instead of ripping them up. We even managed to get the phonecalls to stop by barring/changing our numbers so many times but everytime he managed to get her number back. Lol right?

    There wasnt a day that she wouldnt mention him in a bad way but still always his name came up. He had a good relationship with her daughter whom she viewed as a father figure and was a long time family friend so it was not so clear cut for me. I could mention more but it just gets worse and I am sure you would have heard enough and made up your mind.. Heres why I stayed through it all.

    There wasnt a day that went by that she didnt tell me she loved me, literally hundreds of times a day, always hugging me and kissing me at every opportunity she got. We were like little school kids in love and often people would get jealous of our closeness. She hardly ever refused making love to me and that was what it was making love full of passion and closeness every day! She used to get so jealous of me and what I was doing, always accusing me of this and that mainly when she had a drink. Very paranoid. Introduced me to her family, even told her mum and everyone else in front of me that she will never go back to her ex again. In short, we were very close, Ill say it again never a day that went by she didnt tell me how much she loved me and how special I was.

    She even wanted my kid? Everytime she said she wanted one and was desperate for me to be naughty and ejaculate inside. No thanks.

    Ok the ending. I just had to wait for him to come out and see what would happen, to give her the benefit of the doubt, to not let him win as she would so aptly say. On news of his release date, she gets the coil removed, goes cold and doesnt want to make love, tells me she needs time to sort her life out and wants a break. I go, and vow to never contact her first. 3 months go by and I start getting text messages eventually leading to how she misses me and cant take no more of being apart. We speak on the phone, she swears nothing happened with her and her ex. We get back together. I find topless pictures of him lying in our bed on her phone she was showing me pics and it came up she never deleted it lol! I confront her and she tells me he stayed over once only because he had nowhere else to go and she slept on the sofa because she was not well. That I found out was 4 nights in a row. I then remember the day I left I had bought some lube which was unused. I ask her where it was and I find one missing and one used including the -ring I bought. She told me she used it on herself to pleasure herself and used the lube. We went away on a weekend trip and she confides in me that her, her ex and her uncle all did cocaine the once and she regrets it. Did she cheat?

    Now it has been a year. If she wanted to get back together with him she would have done so, but everytime she says she loves me and wants me back. And we are always close when we are together. If she didnt love me then she wouldnt care right? If she loved him then she wouldnt be openly sleeping with me letting him know that I am back? She has never once openly said she loves him to me or in front of me nor admitted she has had a sexual relationship with him. When I do go back we are together and the ex now just leaves her alone in which her uncle has told me that he has said to him he doesnt even want to be with her it was all to get at us and that she will never love him like she did before. He even had a girlfriend the last time I heard few months back. So what the was all this about because I am confused as anything lol? Does she know what she wants? Beyond help? Was her love for me true or all a big game? Does she love him and love the games he offers? Is it drugs, is she secretly still on cocaine because I have never caught her on it in 2 years? Or has alcohol ruined her life ------ she never goes out the house and is on medication for depression. She has also been diagnosed for Borderline Personality Disorder

    Made your mind up yet? You sure? What an experience of a lifetime!

    I know this was long but I wanted the article to be as detailed as possible. I hope people can learn from it what they can.
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    That sounds like there was enough drama to last a thousand lifetimes... My question is... If she wanted to get back together, why would you even bother? It sounds like a headache of a relationship and I'm sure there is someone better out there for you. You can't be everyone's savior ie her own personal Jesus Christ. Find someone who doesn't need to be saved, but can be with you as you deserve.
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    Drugs abuse, a child, you were the Knight in a different life, she would have loved you till death do you part, knowing just from your posts the type of person you are.. In this life she was baggage, she is abused, abuses back a tit for tat, he does/did the same, by phoning purely to keep her head spinning.

    She was asking herself the same question does he (ex) love me that much? Childhood sweethearts 39.

    Until she can let go of her past and want a better future, she will love you, always but not the same way that she loved him...He made her feel worthless yet loved, you make her feel worthy yet loved. She has a tendancy still for the bad boy image that she has known most if not all of her life...

    1 year can't change that.

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    LanaBear, Chandlers Wish,

    Thank you for your very kind comments, very appreciated and helps a lot

    Interestingly enough, I researched her condition called Borderline Personality Disorder and everything started to make sense.

    Tracing back from the very beginning of our relationship, from her general and erratic behaviours, to the things she said and more and even delving into her past I got to realize to my astonishment that her behaviour is parallel to that of someone with her condition. Looking at people's stories of being with a Borderline they highlight the same issues and more. Articles have been spot on with how a person like me coming out of a relationship with a Borderline must be feeling and how we are thinking --- and as LanaBear queried why do I go back.

    It truly has been a revelation in which has opened my eyes and I can finally rest knowing I did all I can and that you cannot change anybody if they don't want to change. I'm greatful for the experience.
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    Isn't it funny I can't recall what I googled re my ex-husband but it ticked 10 out of 12 of his behaviour patterns and it was abuse only he doesn't realise it see it, he is intelligent has a high IQ I am wrong actually always Yeah, right ....

    The knowledge of we did all we could, we gave 100% to a human being, but didn't get it back in return means that we have some amazing futures in life, I am proof I have someone whom actually gives that 100% back took 46 years though.... But it's called closure until we can confirm? We keep asking once confirmed we know and can move on.

    I think you are an amazing person and you like to save people just always be wary, on the inset they must give equal back, as time goes by same thing, the words are words but the actions speak volumes....

    All experiences are worth while sweet it is what makes us who we are and the knowledge we take to help us but also others.
    Do we not realise that in order to find a soul
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    I've posted before about having a spouse with BP/BPD. It is no picnic. Unless she is willing to get help and stick with it, steer clear. As you've probably read about it, they really don't know what they want one day to the next.

    Do spend some time with yourself examining what drove you to get sucked into this drama with her. I've known several men with the "wounded bird syndrome", they were loving caring men who chose to give their attention and love to women who could not commit, could not really love and were unwilling or able to help themselves. They put in a lot of energy and get very little that is positive back. We all want to feel loved and appreciated but neediness really isn't the same thing.
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    CW, Thank you again for your nice comments. I guess it is a hard battle to let go of all the ghosts of the past, a true battle of the soul and a war only an individual can win. It is no wonder that many people fail to be able to trust again when so much bad has happened in the past.....

    WildChild, thanks for your comment. It is definately no picnic thats for sure, it comes at a big price and yes I definately advise others also to stay clear its just not worth it as their is no prize at the end, ever.

    The question of what drove me back is quite a tricky one. I suppose its a mixture of things. There have been times that I have been so hooked on the drama I have gone back through my own will knowing what she is like..........and that I need to question. Young and inexperienced mainly
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    Sorry if you've mentioned it already, but are you back together with this woman now?

    I myself have gone back to a bad relationship/drama/abusive and i've only just started to wonder why I did. These relationships are often marked by real "highs", where we're often addicted to them and when they are not 'abusing' (I use this term extremely loosely) they can make us feel very "desired" and needed.

    The low periods are marked at the end, often by these highs and eventually while the high periods themselves get lower and less frequent, the abused person "lives" for those highs again feeling that things will get better. Hence why we go back, and we believe that we can change the person, it is a desire in all of us, some more so than others, to simply make a 'bad' person into a 'good' person.
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    Hi Miffed23,

    To answer your question, I have ended the relationship 3 months ago and have made it clear to her that I will never come back. This has happened numerous times in the past and yet I have gone back to the relationship like you have many times. What makes this time different is that having researched her condition of BPD i realised to my amazement how trully sick this woman is(mentally) and that there is no future with her. It is actually a scary concept to think I spent so long with a woman who is that unstable and unpredictable. All of her actions/words were textbook stuff from her condition to the point of the words in the text i researched being exactly what she as a BPD used to say to me. I now smile because I know her inside out and anything she does its so obvious and predictable. My ghosts of the past have been laid to rest with this knowledge and so has she.

    If you want to trully move on its all about understanding why it is we allow ourselves to stay in these type of toxic relationships and why we get into them in the first place.

    Yea definately the desire to change an individual is perhaps one of the biggest fundamental mistake's people make in a relationship. A key point to remember is how much our egos take a beating when we eventualy leave the abusive relationship and so naturaly our instinct is to go back and salvage whatever ego of ours took a beating.....and thus the cycle begins. Do we have as they do an equally weak addictive personality? What are we really scared about?

    The answers all dwell from within. Take some time out and have a chat with yourself, be a Narcissist for a day.

    Good luck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spurzzz View Post
    It truly has been a revelation in which has opened my eyes and I can finally rest knowing I did all I can and that you cannot change anybody if they don't want to change. I'm greatful for the experience.
    This is EXACTLY it... And it is rather exhausting getting to the revelation, isn't it? I've dealt with this with my sister for years upon years, bottom line, she has no desire to be better and get help. My only solution, I cannot focus on her or her issues anymore, I can't help her and neither can my mom. Either she'll get better or she won't, her decision and her decision alone.
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