My boyfriend is in his 2nd year of medical school and lives in LA. We've been "together" for 5 years; he was my best friend for the 2 before that. I am in my third year of law school in SF. Boyfriend and I have been dating long distance for 2 years. A year ago he cheated on me. I insisted he cut her out. He did.
Immediately after he told me, I broke up with him. "They" insisted it was what I had to do. Boyfriend and I still see each other frequently and act very much the couple when we do. Our families still think we are officially together and expect wedding bells. Basically, we have an open relationship.
Shortly thereafter I slept with a poker buddy. Our fling only lasted until it was painfully apparent he was not boyfriend. I like my poker buddy, he is a great guy, but he came and went without consequence. He was my revenge affair.
I have gone out on dates with a few other men. None of them stood a chance from the get go because of boyfriend. Everyone is kept at arms length and at the first sign of seriousness, I run.
But then there was law friend. I remember meeting him at orientation. We often discuss it. We were close when boyfriend cheated. He has seen me at my worst. For over a year we hung out, discussed everything, and became best friends. He bypassed my defenses. He called me every day, and I knew, depending on the day, what time that would be. We slept together. Law friend has a girlfriend.
For 3 months we had an affair. He asked me once if I would leave boyfriend. I hesitated. Not because I wouldn’t, but because I didn’t know. He took my hesitation as a negative and changed the conversation. One day we would talk about “our” future, the next day would be a conversation detailing why we should cut it off. He wasn’t sure about girlfriend, “you are everything she isn’t” he said. Then it would be, “I am going to marry her (girlfriend).” He told me he loved me once and he said he felt more guilty about that than any of our activities.
At first I felt very much in control. I love boyfriend. Life with boyfriend is planned. But slowly, gradually, I began to realize how happy I was when I was with law friend. Then, on trips to see boyfriend the time was spent sad I was away from law friend. My reaction was to pull away from law friend. I told him we couldn’t anymore. I told him clearly and unequivocally I could not handle it. He became a bit distant but we were still close. A month went by without any illicit conduct. He tried twice but I held fast. After finals were over, I was happy and relaxed (I knew I did well, studied for hours and hours with law friend). I went to his old band’s show as they were passing through town. Law friend came over the next morning for XYZ and 3 minutes after walking through the door he aggressively initiated.
We slept together again. Immediately after, he told me he felt guilty because of girlfriend. An understandable reaction, but it hurt me nevertheless. I made a face and pulled away from him. He asked me what was wrong. I asked him why he had come over. He said, “I came over with a very specific intent. The guys were all talking about how hot you are after the show last night.” I was angry. I threw him out.
He half apologized for blatantly disrespecting me. I told him it would never happen again. And so, we were friends. He tired a few additional times, much more subtly. I always said no. I never talked to him about my feelings or why I had pulled away. He asked me what was different and why it changed and I always just said, “I can’t do it anymore.” He started comparing himself to boyfriend an saying things like, "I know you're used to big men." Boyfriend is 6'4". Law friend is 5'8". Boyfriend and law friend could not be more different. They are opposite in every way.
Then he slowly morphed in to a total jerk. He started treating me like ****. He would cancel on plans to hang out last minute. One Friday night I was out with law friend and two of his friends, at 11:30 law friend told me they were going somewhere else. I asked him point blank if that meant I wasn’t invited. He said yes. I was angry. I left.
Over the course of the next week I sent him 3 e-mails explaining how hurt I was. My e-mails weren’t mean, but they were chalk full of emotion. I never said I wanted to be with him. I’ve never been sure I want that. He did not enjoy reading them. He never responded.
I left it alone over the summer. I saw lots of boyfriend and didn’t think of law friend when I was with boyfriend. I missed law friend, but I was still hurt and angry. We hung out once before class stated back up. We went to lunch. He pointed out to me that it was two years to the day since he met me at orientation.
We had a class together this fall. We started hanging out a bit again. A month ago when we were out for drinks he told me that he is going to ask girlfriend to marry him. He was staring at me intently so I said, “that’s great! I’m sure she’ll say yes.” He immediately recanted and swore me to secrecy because he “might decide not to” and “has purposely been very opposite in his actions with her.” Psychoanalysis please? Why tell me that? What's with the caveat?
Two weeks ago a group of us hung out including law friend, my current man of the moment, and a few others. At the end of the night man of the moment asked what was going on between law friend and I. Man of the moment said he caught law friend looking at me “a certain way” and that law friend “seemed very possessive of me."
This prompted me to call law friend a few days later and, for the first time, have an actual conversation about emotions. Well, I tried to. He shut me down. He said, “We were both just unsure of our relationships, we’re young, and it was just sex.” I asked him why he never responded to my e-mails, talked to me about any of this, or showed any care/concern/support during what was clearly a difficult time for me. His response, “I didn’t have anything to say.”
He has since tried to chat with me every day about trivial BS. I lost my cool a few days ago and sent him a moderately mean e-mail. I told him he hasn’t been a good friend and to leave me alone.
If you are still reading this novel of a post, I would like advice/opinions/thoughts about: 1)Am I overreacting in my decision to dissolve the friendship? Was he as blatantly disrespectful as I think he was by continuing to try and initiate sex after I told him I couldn't handle it? 2)Was this all just sex for him? Or is he trying to get back at me for ending the physical part of our relationship and becasue he is unsure how I feel about him? 3)Why wouldn’t he talk to me/respond to any of my emails? Is it because this has been hard for him also OR because he doesn’t care at all and, hence, truly has nothing to say?
And please, soap box responses are unnecessary. I know the secrecy and malignant lying were wrong. I made a mistake, I admit it. Now I need to know if there is a friendship here worth saving or if an opportunistic male was just using me, and I since I put an end to it, he has nothing left to say. For what it’s worth, I don’t sleep around and law friend knows this, 4 men in 25 years, only 2 in SF.
To be honest I only read half way through because it seems like a lot of stressful drama.
It sounds like you need to be single and just figure out who you are and what you want in life on your own, rather than basing what you want on positive or negative experiences with men.
I'm not judging you, all I'm saying is that I think your head would be a lot clearer without all the wondering about the feelings and intentions of the men around you.
And please, soap box responses are unnecessary. I know the secrecy and malignant lying were wrong. I made a mistake, I admit it. Now I need to know if there is a friendship here worth saving or if an opportunistic male was just using me, and I since I put an end to it, he has nothing left to say. For what it’s worth, I don’t sleep around and law friend knows this, 4 men in 25 years
I always hesitate before posting to someone who wants to craft my
response. You're problem is that you want to be in control.
Law Friend was in love with you but afraid to be hurt. Anyone
reading this can see that here was a guy who loved you but whom
you played like a yo yo.
Afraid of being hurt he pretended you were just friends, and wanted
to hear something from you as to what you wanted.
Unsure he played every role he knew; friend, buddy, lover, user, stud boy
pathetic guy, etc.
Love means jumping without a parachutte. You can't. You have to be in
control. You can't let your emotions rule, so any one who gets involved
with you will be penciled in; and if they get too close you'll bolt.
Boyfriend did the unforgiveable, he betrayed you and must be punished.
Your revenge affairs have the consequence of hurting the fellow you are
using to 'punish' boyfriend.
Lawfriend was used by you. His purpose was to be there when you wanted him, go away when you didn't want him, and live to suit your
mood.
You can get this from a guy who would be dazzeled by dating a law student; not from another law student.
I always hesitate before posting to someone who wants to craft my response. You're problem is that you want to be in control.
I really appreciate the responses. My statement about no soap box responses was meant to dissuade replies like those posted to earlier threads, i.e., "you are only as sick as your secrets," etc. I have never thought about my actions in terms of being in control. I see your point. I have never set out to consciously hurt anyone, but rather protect myself. I realized with law friend that I was falling for him and I didn't know what to do. Given the perverse nature of our relationship, I honestly did not think he would respond favorably if I confessed my feelings. He was very inconsistent in expressing his own.
Law Friend was in love with you but afraid to be hurt. Anyone
reading this can see that here was a guy who loved you but whom
you played like a yo yo.
This was certainly not my intent. I feel he treated me very much the same- yo-yoish.
What's done is done. What do I do now? Have his feelings changed? What do I say now? I want him in my life. But if he truly feels like I used him what can I do? If he was in love with me, why wouldn't he talk to me about any of it? Why won't he still?
I do love law friend. I am not concerned with any other of the momentary men who have come and gone. I have always been upfront about not wanting a relationship and at the first sign they are not on the same page, I leave.
I had one protected revenge affair, and believe me, his heart was not broken when I called it off. The only other men I have been with in the past 5 years are boyfriend and law friend. All three of us are disease free.
What is the assumption boyfriend used me based on? Yes it is messy, please note the title.
I agree with Kaylar for the most part. Specifically where law friend told you that he was going to ask his girlfriend to marry him, he was only trying to see your reaction. When he saw that you weren't going to 'fight' to be with him, he immediately retracted because he realized he may have stronger feelings than you do. In addition, I honestly don't think that law friend will be what you want in the end, so if breaking the friendship off is what you have to do to stay away from going past friendship, then you should do it. It's not wrong or malicious. You tried to break off the sex alone before, but he couldn't be strong, so don't give him any ground to work with.
I see a little repeat in your boyfriend and law friend. You say they are nothing alike, but when looking at an objective point of view they are just the same. Boyfriend cheated on you. Law friend is cheating on his girlfriend. It sounds to me like you should start fresh and look for more "guy of the moments" who know more of what they want in life. Hopefully you'll find one that just wants you.
It sounds like you have a good head on your shoulders, and I think that you will make a good decision, just remember to put yourself first.
Kaylar, I really appreciate your responses. I find them to be insightful, honest, and accurate. I have read most of you other posts and agree with much of what you have said.
Since I was the other woman with law friend, I assumed I filled that role. If I don't/didn't, how to I begin to untangle the mess I have created for myself. Most importantly, how do I convince law friend to talk honestly and openly with me. Of has that boat sailed?
Franny&Zooey, thank you for your response as well. If law friend loved me, why wouldn't he respond to any of the 3-emails I sent him months ago. They were not mean. They amounted to: I am hurt and confused. Why has law friend been so locked down when it comes to talking about any of this?
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