Fallen, thank you for your kindness and thoughts.... As you read in the thread above life is both up and down but I am trying to use all the resources in and outside of me to get through instead of going around my problems in this. I thank you so much for your support. Sincerely, Miss U.

and we dont want to here the dribble about him ...and i dont justify priests , Rabbis or any body else ...you had the email address but you havent got the courage to debate with him , hes too intelligent for you...youd rather do it with his sister ...GUTLESS

anon - if i had been you in this thread & the topic were pornography, i would have been spanked by the administration & the thread shut down.

just want to point that out. i think it's interesting. you had nothing edifying to add to this thread or the author's request for prayer (i mean, anon - why not just stay silent? did you really need to say "no" & explain why? do you do that in other threads??) - you just wanted to spark some controversy & assert your opinion regarding God's existence into a thread where it wasn't solicited or applicable.

but nevermind that.

anon. i like your initial questions. they were darwin's questions that he was never able to resolve. he wrote in a letter to a colleague that the notion that the human eyeball, in all of it's wonderful complexity, could have come into existence by chance mutation of random cells (which is the fundamental argument behind darwin's theory of evolution) was ridiculous.

but when he looked at the world, with all of the evil, pain, and suffering, he simply could not accept that there was a benevolent God in control.

so darwin swallowed & propagated his own self-admittedly ridiculous theory - not because he believed it, but because he couldn't accept the alternative (existence of God).

i find the same is true for all agnostics. their beliefs are not based on what they've discovered to be true. their beliefs are based on what they have been unable to resolve.

that being the case - and not to make this personal - but you, anon, are on much shakier ground than would be a subscriber to the christian faith, like this poster, regarding your grasp of reality.

your reality is your own creation. and it is based on faulty understandings and unresolved questions. you said yourself, if God existed, why would this & that...

each of your questions has an answer. but you either haven't found the answer or you're unsatisfied by the answer - so you've adopted your own reality that makes you feel better about those issues.

you live in a small box, anon, where the walls are painted with whatever color you need to see when you look around you in order to stay comfortable. that's not inner strength, anon. that's just self-imposed blindness. if you shelter yourself from the questions & answers that trouble you, you can create your own answers, then go back to sleep - believing you have somehow tapped into some source of inner strength.

i'm reminded of young children who believe that if they close their eyes while they're being scolded, they will become invisible & the problem will go away.

God exists & good people suffer horrible, painful circumstances.

you don't like that, so you've denied God's existence & created your own, alternate reality that is more palatable to you.

no big shock, anon. you're one of an overwhelmingly large group of lemmings. there's nothing revolutionary about your denial of God's existence. it's our tendency as humans to try to make our own rules & then name them "reality".

but i do think it's interesting that you would criticize someone's commitment to a belief system, when your own is so flimsy.

it's fine for you to reject a religion - or any religion - but to attribute it to strength is just silly.

it is strength that allows you to accept things that are discomforting & hard to understand, to operate & behave in ways that sometimes deny you gratification of your passions.

it is the opposite of strength - weakness - that causes us to turn away from the truth when it troubles us & build our own "truth", custom-tailored to fit the way we like it.

many of us, when we're young, close our physical eyes & pretend our problems will vanish. as we grow older we develop the strength to leave our eyes open & face the circumstances before us, no matter how difficult they are.

sadly, most people never develop the strength to open their spiritual eyes.

PF, have you managed to get your verbal diorreah out of your system yet? Good. I'd like to think you have something better to do with your life than be upset by me. Btw, I mentioned my brother once, in my first post, when I was drunk. You've been bringing it up repeatedly.

MissUnderstood, I'm glad that you're doing ok.

Willhelm. As for your first paragraph. Answers to a thread don't always have to be exactly within it's scope. An answer that is still relevent doesn't necessarily explicitly answer the original question.

What I said was, that she needs to build her own strength and rely on it. Practically, that is a more beneficial answer than "yes, I will pray for you now and forever". So yes, what I said was relevent.


As for athiesm/agnocism being ridiculous - I truly believe in science, and mathematics. If someone sparked a cigarette lighter in front of some cavemen, they would believe you were god. It is folly, in my opinion, to fill in the gaps in your knowledge with superstition. My saying that the negatives in the world justify the lack of existance in a god is obviously insufficient, it's just something else I feel on top of it.

I fail to see how confessing to not knowing, is a shakier opinion than believing the words written by humans thousands of years ago in order to keep people in check. I don't in any way hide from reality, in fact I believe that people who don't question themselves and their worlds by blindly believing what they were told when they were dragged to church as a child are the ones in a small box...

You say it is strength that people believe they will live for eternity and meet their dead loved ones when they pass on? I believe it's making up anything to look away from the stark reality that confronts you.

At the end of the day, people and their lives will make people believe different things, I was just suggesting to be your own power, rather relying on something external to fix things for you, and it all got blown out of proportion.

"Willhelm. As for your first paragraph. Answers to a thread don't always have to be exactly within it's scope. An answer that is still relevent doesn't necessarily explicitly answer the original question."

you don't have to convince me. i'm with you 100% here. i just find it entertaining that when i have acted similarly - advocating against pornography - the administrators of the site have responded to you & i in different ways with this. because of teh subject matter, in my opinion.

neither here nor there - just funny.

I don't in any way hide from reality, in fact I believe that people who don't question themselves and their worlds by blindly believing what they were told when they were dragged to church as a child are the ones in a small box...

if you're wrong about the existence of God, then you are hiding from reality.

i agree with you again here - your assumption is that people who believe this do so blindly without questioning. why?

"You say it is strength that people believe they will live for eternity and meet their dead loved ones when they pass on? I believe it's making up anything to look away from the stark reality that confronts you."

not what i said. i said it takes strength to confront something discomforting & accept it. agnostics typically confront these issues & cannot accept them, so they create their own system of belief - equally far-fetched scientifically than any religious tradion could hope to be.

"It is folly, in my opinion, to fill in the gaps in your knowledge with superstition."

i'm with you again. you're saying that religious traditions/beliefs are superstitious - that is, imaginary. i won't argue that - not yet anyway.

but can we expand your statement to say it's folly to fill in the gaps in our knowledge with anything other than the appropriate knowledge?

like i said, those questions do have answers.

agnostics don't confess that they don't know. they simply abandon the quest for finding out -

there's a difference. if i stop you on the side of teh road & ask you where a guy can get a beer in your town, you might not know. you would sincerely say you didn't know.

but if i asked the question, then you told me how to get there - and i got lost & drove in circles until i finally threw my hands in the air & exclaimed, "i have no idea where this place is!" - that is the equivalent of agnosticism.

i do know where - you told me where. my honest confession would be that i have been searching in the wrong places and i got sick of looking.

not that i didn't know.

So you have continued to to it , carry on attacking me ...one of the reasons i carnt stand you is you remind me so much of the guy who raped me , in fact i could swear it was him ...he was just as evil and twisted as you are .

The fact you have now admitted you post while DRUNK shows you what a complete idiot you are ...is that because you have had yet another evening arguing with people the pub - your that angry you come back to either call your girlfriend fat , when she wants to eat or rant on and upset EVERYONE on this forum ...coupled with your pot smoking ...well that just shows what a brainless moron you are ...and judging by your views on hygene in a thread ...well id say you have a problem with that (your dirty ).

You made a post to me, strangely enough, wouldnt you know it was in the Porn Prostitution/masturbation thread i started...agreeing with Porn 100 percent and saying how wonderfully open minded i was ...you mentioned Nazis and homosexuality ...

YOU behave in a similar way to a Nazi ....yes you do ...after all if you had your way ...isnt that your ultimate fantasy ???? Perhaps gathering all Priests , Padres , Rabbi ect ...and then you start on people of different skin colour , not forgetting Gay men and women as you pointed out your dislike of homosexuality ...surprise surprise ..

Today , you have made me ASHAMED to be British , you are a waste of space ...if you stopped spending money on drugs and alcohol, perhaps you may be able to afford to visit wonderful places , like Israel or perhaps seeing as you behave like a Natzi , you would like to visit some of the places were they committed atrocities ..you know that was such hated , anon , i wonder if that would effect you at all ??? or would you STILL have your religious HATRED.

My brothers job is NOT a trade !!! it shows how little you know . When people are buried at sea , young guys , in case you didnt know there happens to be some problems around the Middle East area ??? PART of his job , only part as he is an Officer in the Navy is doing services ect for thm and carrying out parents requests for thier DEAD sons ...it is not a trade .
Priests vicars ..ect are getting beaten up in the street - simply for being who they are - spat at , the parishes broken into - windows smashed - urinating all over the place , just like mindless thugs who desicrate grave stones and steal from them ...they are people LIKE YOU annon...with NO RESPECT ...shame on you .