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    I know there are alot of you out there who are struggling with a less than eventful sex lives......but I ask that you please try to put your own situation aside and give me an impartial answer the best you can.

    First you should know that around 3 months ago I stopped having any desire to have sex with my boyfriend. You ask why? So did I. I switched pills 3 times, even tried a testosterone cream. Talked openly with him about it, still continued having sex with him even when I didn't want to. But then I realized, it's not desire for sex I lack, it's desire for sex with him. It's like one day it was there, the next day it was not. But then after a while of beating myself up over it, I realized it is mental for me. A mental block. Why? Because it was October (same time I lost my desire sexually for him) that he after force revealed to me the 50% chance he has a fatal genetic disease, and if he does, the 50% chance he'd have of passing on to any children he conceives. (You can go back and read a previous post regarding the disease if you need to). It was then that I thought about our relationship prior to that revelation. I thought about how our only method of protection was birth control pill. I thought about how I'd been on antibiotic 3 different times (counteracts birth control), and how he was aware and never seemed overly concerned about being extra cautious. I thought about the two instances where he knew I took a pregnancy test (both negative thankfully), and never said a word to me. I felt like my well being and my future had been disregarded by him, because he knew all along. After that point, I lost my passion for having sex with him and even though I continued doing so, I felt nothing.

    It was around January that I realized this wasn't hormonal for me, but mental. So I stopped sleeping with him. I talked with him about it. He said he understood. He got tested, and we are currently waiting on the results (about 2 weeks away). But last night, out of the blue he says he wants to "talk with me" about fact that he "misses sex with me", though said he didn't have any intentions in saying that, just wanted to say it. Of course it felt like pressure to me.....and I felt like I had to explain myself once again. I cannot help how I feel, and trust me, I wish I didn't feel that way.

    Am I wrong for having this mental block? Am I wrong for feeling this way?

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    I'm not sure that it is wrong, you can't help the way you feel... and knowing that you had two pregnancy scares, all the while he had a genetic disease that could be passed on to the child you would have conceived and you didn't know... that's a tough pill to swallow!

    My question to you is, now that you DO know about the disease, and you're waiting for his results, how are those test results going to affect your mental block? If they come back positive, what will you do? If they come back negative, will the mental block go away?? If you used a combination of BC's (pill w/ condom or spermacide or diaphram, whatever...), making the chances of conception so low it would be a miracle to conceive, would your mental block still be there?

    I guess it seems like there is a lot of undue pressure on him to have negative results for you to get your juices flowing for him again, when really the mental block might be more about your anger towards him for witholding that kind of information... finding the cause of the block will dictate what steps you need to take to get past it, because the only way to save the relationship (if that's what you want to do) is to get past it...
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    I don't think you are wrong for your feelings... AT ALL. I do , however, think your relationship may not survive this block if it doesn't work itself out.

    People always go on about men and this biological nature of attraction and why they look for certain features at its ingrained in them what makes good breeding stock on some basic caveman level.... Full breasts, baby makin' hips, etc etc...

    But if there is a hint of truth to that , there could also be a hint of truth to women biologically seeking, becoming attracted to (even if they don't want kids) the most ideal candidate to father their babies ... a provider, healthy, strong, good physical traits to pass on to the youngin's.

    I'm sure the possibility that he may impregnate you with a kid that may have odds stacked against its health has you not organically shutting down sexually.

    But humans are evolved to the point that its not all about breeding, we have birth control, we can choose adoption or to not have kids at all... etc. So the mate you choose doesn't have to be based on breeding if we don't want it to be.

    But you have to decide what you want. I think, in all honesty, If I was him... my heart would be so broken. The sexual rejection, feeling like some genetic freak, I would feel defected in a major way. My feelings for you would change. They'd have to. Not feeling good enough for someone is an increddible blow to take.

    I am NOT saying thats how you feel about him, I'm saying if the concerns you had were being relayed to me, and I was him... that is how I would feel.

    Do you know how you will feel if the results of the test show he has the gene? Are you planning to leave him?

    I know you are upset about him not telling you about the possiblity of a future illness he may or may not get, may or may not pass on... but I , personally, think its a bit unfair.

    Would you have been as outraged if he has an overweight mom, overweight grandma, overweight genes running in his family that he didn't tell you about? Dwarfism? A cousin with diabetes?

    I don't feel like, unless you were TTC, that it would be something to be upset about him not mentioning the family health history prior to sex with you while you're on bc.
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    It's not so much that I blame him for not just being like "hey now that we've dated a few times I should tell you this". No...I feel incredibly sorry for him that he's carried this burden for 10 years. But in my defense, he will even admit that he was dead wrong for sitting there and saying nothing, and that what he should have done was after the first pregnancy test said "THANK GOD...." and sat me down and if nothing else, backed himself up from the relationship a bit. But better yet, tell me the situation, let me know that you're thinking about more than just yourself, let me know that my well being and my future is something you care about too. But that didn't happen. I felt disregarded.

    I'm very open with him, and have no way made it look like "I don't want to have sex with you because you might have this". What I tell him is what I have told you all, that I felt like he disregarded me, my future, my life. I felt like he put his own sexual satisfaction before good sense. And I felt like God was watching out for us in a time when I could have easily gotten pregnant (on antibiotics). For that reason I felt like in order to be FULLY aware of what we were both getting into, abstaining from sex for 2 or 3 months was the best idea. I didn't think that was unreasonable, and he didn't disagree, but yet brings it up to me last night out of the blue which results in me feeling pressured.

    I'm not saying how I feel is the right way to feel. That's why I'm here. I don't do anything to try to make him feel less "worthy" because he might have this disease. His mother died from it, his grandfather died from it, his sister tested positive for it........ and it is VERY serious to me. Someone who tests positive for this gene has a 100% chance of developing the disease. Google it: Huntingtons Disease, and maybe that will help you understand my stricken fear about our future. But in no way do I even indicate that his test results have anything to do with ME, this is for HIM...he has sat on this for 10 years and he needs to know in order to plan for his future one way or the other, in order to be able to be honest and FAIR to a partner, and fair to future children. PS. An adoption agency in my opinion would never adopt to a family with a parent suffering from this disease. It would be absolutely horrible for a child.

    As for what the results mean for US, we've talked about it. He told me if the situation was reversed he'd like to think he'd be willing to devote the rest of his life to taking care of me and forgoing his dreams of marriage and children and financial stability.........but he admitted he's not sure that after only dating 6 or 7 months he'd be willing to do that. I feel the same way...I'm not sure. And yes.....I know that sucks for him horribly. I hate the way I feel, I wish I was some saint that felt differently, but I'm not. And because I DO care about him, I just hope we can get past it. He has ALOT of growing up to do in relationships, and I'm not sure whether we're compatible or not even if the test is negative. But it sucks badly to be put in this position so soon into a relationship.

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    I think actually ... that being put in this position NOW... as opposed to later on is good because you will be able to have the option to go away if you don't think its what you want for your life, with minimal damages done in the way of seperating finances/children etc... and we all know couples dating 1/2 a year have broken up for far more squirly reasons than this serious one your facing now.

    You just never know with life.... you can leave him and marry a perfectly healthy man that gets hit by a bus (i certainly hope to God that you dont obviously) but its just what life is. Its fragile. We never know from one minute to the next what we have and what will be taken away without notice.

    Look at the women that come here and post that one day they woke up in their happy marriage to find their husband packing his bags, moving in with a chick from work... I'm leaving you, honey... that is all, no warning... just boom. Life changes.

    Obviously we can make choices that can reduce the risks, picking a mate without a fatal genetic disorder, picking a mate that doesn't have a history of being a ladies man... but all in all... it really doesn't matter because what will be, will be.. and there isn't anything any of us can do about but ride that wave.

    I commend you for your honesty, to us, to him, and to yourself on how you feel about his condition.

    I do think that he should have been open with you, but I can also see why he wouldnt be. The fear of all this that is now, and it will be a fear he has to carry in every relationship going forward. As he can not wear a bumper sticker on his forehead warning off girls that are seeking to have children to choose someone else.

    He obviously loves you, you have convinced him to get a test he wasn't getting on his own, one that is necessary for his life and so that does show how much you also love him.

    I can't blame him for bringing up the lack of sex. I can't. It is what it is. He is just telling you how he feels, you tell him how you feel... he does the same , its only fair.

    You are a strong woman from everything I've read you write and I don't think he can guilt you into sex you don't want to have. You can continue to punish him and yourself for the damage that was done by his silence... or you can seize the moments you have every day, to feel joy and happiness in all the little ways life lets us feel it... maybe sex, maybe not. But it serves no one, not you... not him... to live with a chip on the shoulder.

    He hurt you, you felt disregaurded. He was sorry. You guys are moving past that... allow yourself to be happy today, even if you know 2 weeks from now may be a different story. That different story will occur when it occurs, no matter if you are upset or happy today..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beautiful Disaster View Post
    I'm very open with him, and have no way made it look like "I don't want to have sex with you because you might have this". What I tell him is what I have told you all, that I felt like he disregarded me, my future, my life. I felt like he put his own sexual satisfaction before good sense. And I felt like God was watching out for us in a time when I could have easily gotten pregnant (on antibiotics). For that reason I felt like in order to be FULLY aware of what we were both getting into, abstaining from sex for 2 or 3 months was the best idea. I didn't think that was unreasonable, and he didn't disagree, but yet brings it up to me last night out of the blue which results in me feeling pressured.
    From reading this... you may not have outright said that his potential disease is what turned you off from sex, really it was the cause for abstaining. You were hurt because you felt that he disregarded you, and put sex before good sense... because he could be carrying this gene and he didn't tell you. So really, to him, it could quite easily seem like you're holding off because he might have a genetic disorder. And I'm sure he's hurt by that. And I don't believe that his bringing it up was out of the blue, in my mind he was probably tossing this around internally since the getgo and finally got the courage to bring it up to you.

    Now you feel pressured and he probably feels jilted, and perhaps, misunderstood.

    There isn't anything wrong with feeling the way that you do. I am not sure that I would stay if I were in your position, but I am still not convinced that it is fair to keep hanging on until you find out the results. While you might feel pressure to have sex, imagine the pressure that is on him right now, everything is riding on these results (your relationship, his lifespan, his quality of life, his entire future)... that's tough. So maybe he was trying to talk to you about it, but it came out as "you don't want to have sex with me and that sucks."

    I think you two need to sit down and communicate better about this. You need to share your fears, feelings, plans, choices, future, everything. I am not sure that either of you are being empathetic towards each other and you need to be on the same page, otherwise the pressure will just keep building up and the next couple weeks are going to be even more miserable for the both of you. You and he do not need that!
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    You both make very good and valid points. Believe it or not (I just sort of unleash on here sometimes ) two of my strongest points are intuition and compassion. I have had to learn in life that I can't hurt everyones hurt for them. Ya know? I troubled myself so much even as a child because I took burdens upon myself that were not mine to carry. So please know that the possibility of this person, who is a good person with a kind and sweet heart, who desires so strongly just to be wanted, who is my friend........having a disease as horrible as this is absolutely heartbreaking to me..FOR HIM. And to me those feelings are totally separate from the feelings I feel that involve me in this equation.

    To say better it happen now than later......that's exactly right and I'm thankful for that. But he's so passive, so submissive that I often wonder how long it would've gone on before he told me if I hadn't confronted him and forced it.

    He and I have serious compatibility issues (disease or no disease). I have never in my life had to be as dominant in a relationship as I have had to be with him. I have communicated this to him as I try to make a habit of letting him know when I like something or don't like something. He depends on me to make all the decisions, to do all the planning, to watch out for him and if he's doing something wrong to correct him. Sometimes I feel like he only exercises maybe a half of his brain, because he depends on me to do all the thinking. He's very giving and he'll do anything I ask him to do, but every step of progression in our relationship has come from me voicing my displeasure in something. "I'm tired of being the only one who EVER cooks", so he started cooking some. "Why do you never plan a date for us, like call me and say "hey lets go to Olive Garden this weekend?" and then he plans a trip to Olive Garden for us the next weekend. BUT if I didn't say those things, he'd wait under my wing 24/7 until I decide what for us to do. And he'd never complain about anything I picked, he'd never have a preference.

    This has GOT to be a very stressful emotional time for him.....the waiting game for the results. I don't want to just break up with him right now and leave him feeling alone in the world to face this. I keep thinking he'll grow (lack of experience) and things will change.

    Unfortunately, sex for us started way too soon. He based his "passion" for me and his comfort level with me around our sex life. When I got the cyst and was hurting so badly, he'd still pursue me for sex (and sometimes I'd give in) but then I'd communicate to him that it hurt me, and that it would leave me cramping for the rest of the day and he'd do the whole "I wish there was something I could do to make you feel better. I hate when you're hurting" spill........but what he could have done was take me at my word, and understand that I was hurting.....and instead of pursue me for sex, maybe nurture me and try to make me feel better? So with that.....and then with the disregard of me in general when it came to sex and his possible disease........somehow I just turned that part of me off. It was like a light switch. Like suddenly I realized that his behavior was exhibiting someone who would do whatever I wanted, say whatever I wanted to hear etc, but when it came to sex and his own satisfaction, he was willing to disregard me, my comfort, my future, etc.

    So, I did what I have to do in every other aspect of our relationship.......I took control of the situation myself.

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    I absolutely believe that you are a compassionate and kind person, I have seen that time and time again in your other posts here on WH. There is no question...

    From what you've just posted, it seems like this situation is a build up from more than just the most recent comment he made to you about your sex life and the hurt feelings you have about his withholding his potential disease from you... it is from way at the beginning of your relationship, the resentment started then, and kept festering, and now you've come to the end of your rope. So you do what anyone else would do, you said "no more!"

    You seem to want more from him than what he is willing to give. He's a laid back, nonchalant kinda guy, and you want someone who is independant, driven, a leader in his own right... I don't know that you're going to get that out of this guy, it just doesn't seem to be his nature and that is so frustrating if it is not what you want.

    So his potential condition aside, now it comes down to what DO you want? What will make you happy? Do you want to make it work with your boyfriend? Are you willing to let go of the frustration/anger/resentment? Do you still want to be with him? Or are you just hanging on because you would feel back leaving him before he gets his test results? A lot of hard questions, and I don't expect you to answer these... but I hope it starts the wheels turning, so that maybe you're light switch will turn back on again (either with him, or when you find someone you are more compatible with!)
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    I guess I feel it's just a bad time to make any major decisions regarding the relationship. Is some of it caused from the stress of the whole disease bombshell, then the testing, then the waiting....? I don't know.....and I don't want to make that decision right now. He's such a good person, I hate so badly to hurt him. I care about him and I want to do the right thing. I just don't know what that is quite yet.

    Thanks for all the wonderful advice.

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    first off, let me say in advance that what you are feeling is normal. the fact that your chosen mate might have a defect that can be passed on to your offspring will affect you psychoilogically emotionally, and physically.
    im going to quote someone here...

    "But humans are evolved to the point that its not all about breeding, we have birth control, we can choose adoption or to not have kids at all... etc. So the mate you choose doesn't have to be based on breeding if we don't want it to be. "

    do not believe it for a second, this is complete .
    the strongest urge humans have is self preservation. the second is reproduction.
    this isnt something that has came about in the past 1000 or 2000 years - this is from millions of generations - evolution doesnt happen in 100 years or even 1000 years.. at least not enough to totally upset the way we reproduce.

    the whole reason females and males are attracted to each other is a chemical reaction in our brains that cause the release of other chemicals through out our body. this goes on throughout the entire animal kingdom, it is something that is integral to our survival as a species.

    do you have a choice on how to go about choosing a mate? absolutely.. but are you attracted to unhealthy, weaker males? i would have to say no. as females you are predisposed to be physically attracted to the strongest healthiest men - its not a conscious decision. it something that is part of being an animal. to turn it off would be like trying to turn off the desire to breathe, or eat.
    no one is saying that you dont have a personal preference as to what traits you want in a man.. blue eyes, brown hair, .. but finding a healthy mate to procreate with will help ensure the success of your offspring.
    i know most people want to believe that humans are spiritual creatures capable of looking past their own shortcomings to develope caring compasionate relationships regardless of genetic defects .. this is the exception, not the rule. and chances are that it is all a facade anyway.
    people lie to themselves because they are afraid of the truth, it is a constant struggle between the ego and the id.

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    so as for advice... well first you have to decide what is important to you. what is it that you want from him.. and in life in general.. .what are your long term life goals.. if you have any that is.
    but from a mans point of view i would have to say the damage is done. i could not imagine staying in a relationship when the girl i was with has any doubts about whether or not she is attracted to me. this also shows that in this particular relationship you hold the power of selection.. you are making the decision whether or not to stay with him based on forthcoming test results. you are assuming that he will wait by the way side for approval or disaproval. even if his tests are negative, and you choose to stay he will never forget that you were ready to leave him based on something beyond his control. if you can imagine the role reversed - say there was some question as to whether or not you could concieve and he was waiting on a test result to determine whether he would stay or not... would you, could you look past the notion that he was a test result away from leaving you
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