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    Default A little advice needed.

    Bare with me but this is a super-long story. I wanted to get some advice, just to see if I am crazy or doing something wrong. Please don’t hold back at all.

    I am 41 and my wife is 37 years old and we have been having sensual and sexual problems for the past 5 years or more now. It is hard for me to keep track, it could have been happening throughout our entire 12 year marriage. (thing is, it just became habit after time.) I feel really bad, ashamed really because after thinking back I don’t think we had successful sexual intercourse at all during our relationship. Sure we have had a little oral and heavy petting but nothing like actual penetration.

    You could say I woke up recently when helping an old girlfriend survive a recent divorce which had peculiarly similar situations. I have had honest conversations with my wife in the past about many difficult situations in our relationship but recently I have become more direct in my questioning and she has become more straightforward in her answers. (after both of us ignoring it all these years)

    As of last count we have not had sex for at least a year. (maybe more). I initially thought it was me. I assumed it was a by-product of job (Police officer) and the stress involved with it. I am not ugly, women are attracted to me. I am not fat…a little pudgy but not overweight. I am a pretty confident person and I don’t see anything wrong with the way I look. My job related stress did affect me sexually but I recovered within a month and wanted to perform. The thing is I do think it was the ineffective sexual contact and awkward activity that slowed me down.

    We have attempted to make love but with questionable results, the best way to describe it is….awkward. She often states that “I’m not romantic” or “I won’t be treated like a plaything” or “I am not a .” She often complains “I am not doing it right” or “This is not a porn movie.” These terms and actions themselves tear at my self-esteem and worth and often produce the effect I think she is looking for after all….no sex. She would not respond or become active in our forplay. She made it seem like a job.

    In our frank conversations she has stated that she can live without sex and if I can’t do it right then “We don’t need it.” I was always assuming that what I was attempting to do was completely normal within a marriage but she thinks differently. (I am not being freaky but quite normal…I am sure what everyone would consider normal.) I want to engage in different sexual positions other then missionary but she refuses. “It makes her feel like a .”


    I have had a few past relationships before we met so I guess you could say I am somewhat experience while I am her first. I often thought this was the problem and attempted to learn with her but to no avail. Something just isn’t clicking. She blames it on me. She says I am not romantic enough or I don’t make her feel loved.

    I take her on expensive cruises (6 to date), romantic getaways to Ocean City and other places, dinner and even cook her breakfast in the morning…with little effect. I asked her to go with me to see a counselor but she believes everything else is more important or say it’s my fault…”I am not emotional enough.”

    Well after much (a lot) of demanding on my part I suppose... she finally decided to go to the hospital to get some type of assessment on what was going on with her physically as well as mentally because of our sex issues.

    As I knew for quite some time she was re-assessed and diagnosed with Clinical Depression.

    She was diagnosed a few years ago but she never really followed up on it. She had therapy sessions and a run in with side effects with her medication but she stated to me often that she could cope with her depression issues without all that. (I should have known better.) I often felt sorry for her because her medication was causing serious problems...harming things more then fixing.

    Sometime I think she is fine but in hindsight I really don't know much. I am not a specialist, I can't read minds. I can only guess at what is going on in her head and it's frustrating.

    She also was diagnosed with Fibroids, some form of Vaginitis (which could be connected) and the doctors are looking into Endometriosis. (that is what she tells me anyway) Now with these conditions everything is magnified 10x then before. Every pain or depressed state is somehow connected to the Fibroids. She complains that she could try sex but with lots of conditions. It seems overwhelming and un-romantic.

    The doctors will not take out the fibroids because there could be complications. (too close to bladder and she has anemia she says) So she takes birth control pills that will only shrink them moderately...never eliminate them.

    Now after years I am not unscathed in this whole situation:

    I am bothered because I have been living like this for years and I feel resentment. Resentment in the fact that we have never really had normal sex (a cause of her physical and mental condition perhaps...I don't know.) Resentment in the fact that if I didn't prod her to go to the hospital to get it looked into....she would have been content to go on with her life the way it is.

    I feel at times that I have been lied too. ( I know I should not feel that way but I am being honest here...so bare with me.) Why in the world did she not bring up our sexual situation to the doctors in the past? Why did it take me calling her doctor to explain the situation that had persisted for years? Why didn't she think it was important? She would have let me live like this without so much as a question. I was horrified when I thought about that. I was dumbfounded in the fact that I also would have let this happen. (Why?)


    I also feel manipulated...used also...She says she wants these things fixed yet the truth sometimes leaks out..."I don't want to deal with this." or "I would rather be celibate."

    She doesn’t want children. There is no way I could persuaded her and I have just given up on that front even though it nags me. Could I have been a good father? Would I have loved to have a child? I don’t know if I will ever know. (I am the last of my line.)


    I have never cheated, my eyes have wondered but I am feeling completely stressed and I am questioning things at this very moment. My emotions are very conflicted. Is there such a thing as sexual incompatibility?

    How far do I have to bend to fix it when she doesn’t believe anything is wrong? Should one stay in a sexless marriage at my age? (or does age really matter in this situation?...cause its been a while.) Can people grow apart? Can they become habits? I have read the forums suggestions, such as “Changing a Willingness to Make Love into a Desire to Make Love” and others but I can only assume this requires someone to make a change. Lastly, Is it me? Could she actually be right in all this and I am the one at fault here?

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    No one can make her change. She has to want to change herself. If she is saying that she would rather be celibate, that is not wanting to change. She obviously wants her health issues fixed and who wouldn't. She has a lot going on. But, to me, saying she would rather be celibate, she's not wanting to change that.

    If she doesn't believe there is anything wrong, you can bend as far as you want and whatever you do will not be right.

    There is definitely such a thing as incompatibility, read more of the forums, it is all over the place.

    You are 41, not 90, you still have a lot of opportunity to live life and be in a loving and sexually compatible relationship should you desire. Heck, you could even still have kids at this point if you wanted.

    People can grow apart. As you get older, there are many things that could factor growing apart from your SO, you can also grow closer, it is about what the two people in the relationship want at that point in time.

    I don't really see where you are at fault here. Obviously, we are being told your side, chances are, her side would be different. So who really knows. But, life is too short to be unhappy, find what makes you happy and be happy.
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    Before you decided to get married was she as anti-sexual as she is now? Yes there is such thing as sexual incompatability... sometimes drives are different but if both parties want a happy relationship... the one with the higher drive can cut back on demand and the one with the lower drive can indulge the other even their mood isn't always 100% there... its a compromise.

    But where there is no compromise, there is huge imcompatibilty... if one partner is forced to sacrafice everything while the other... nothing - resentment will overtake the entire relationship.

    If she hated sex and did it every time you wanted to make you happy eventually she would be resentful of you... and the opposite of that, what you are experiencing now is... if you want sex and she refuses to partake in that with you ever... resentment will build on your end.

    You say you feel tricked, deceieved... i would be more apt to be understanding of that if she was a sexual frisky person then changed after marriage... but if she was always this way -- and you decided to marry her anyway , its kinda something you signed up for... and she was just selfish enough to allow you to ... knowing you'd be the one that would not get what you want out of the relationship.

    Your incompatabilities go so far beyond sex from what you describe. You guys don't have similiar goals as far as family goes, you want kids, she doesn't. You want a healthy sex life ... she'd be happy celebate. You feel like you romance her, she feels unromanced.

    She's controlling EVERYTHING... she doesnt want kids -- ur not having kids, she doesn't want sex... you're not having sex. You've just got to grin and bear it and accept that its her way or the highway... I have to wonder if you didn't have any signs of this prior to marriage?

    At least she is getting some help now so there is hope. She needs counseling, and you... could benefit from it as well because like I said there is more than sex going on here, or the lack there of... thats contributing to both of your unhappiness.

    I didn't understand the first part of your post...you mention action decreasing, but then go on to say you guys have never had penetrative intercourse in your entire relationship? I want to know if I am misunderstanding that?

    Sex isn't just sex, its intimacy , its an expression of love and giving pleasure to the person you deem most worthy of it.. and accepting the pleasure they offer you. The closeness, the connection.

    Without that, its a friendship. Did you guys talk about your family goals prior to marriage? Were you guys on the same page and one of you changed or have you always known you differed in what you want out of life together?
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    Just my two cents, but you are young. If you are in a relationship that you've tried to fix and your partner is unwilling to even admit that there is a problem....it may be time to think about moving on, for your own sake. There is still time for you to meet someone and start a family. If the two of you are on different pages as far as children go, even if everything else wasn't so bad, that for me would be reason enough to go your separate ways.

    Is there any chance of getting her to do to a couple's counselor again? If she won't go, you should definitely go by yourself. This situation sounds very controlling and unbalanced. You need to ask yourself if you're really willing to life the life of a person who is controlling and depressed, because that's pretty much what you are doing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopeless Dork View Post
    She's controlling EVERYTHING... she doesnt want kids -- ur not having kids, she doesn't want sex... you're not having sex. You've just got to grin and bear it and accept that its her way or the highway... I have to wonder if you didn't have any signs of this prior to marriage?
    This is exactly right. She is controlling everything and HD brought up a lot of good questions regarding the relationship before the two of you got married.

    Quote Originally Posted by sourpuss View Post
    If the two of you are on different pages as far as children go, even if everything else wasn't so bad, that for me would be reason enough to go your separate ways.
    I agree here to. There are a lot of differences that can be worked out in a relationship but the children vs no children thing is a no win for either party. That to me is one thing that would make or break a relationship. If one doesn't want them, the other is left always wondering... If one does want them, the other is left always resenting...
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    Sounds like you have done everything that you can.

    It's time for you to make a decision.

    If there is any true love between you, it might be worth it to try to salvage this. But you'll have to take off the gloves and make an ultimatum.

    If you don't think that will get you anywhere, or the ultimatum doesn't get you anywhere, it's time to move on. You don't have kids so it should be an easy separation, legally and financially speaking.

    You are plenty young to find somebody and start a family. (with somebody about 10 years younger that likes older men, and probably likes to have a lot of sex)

    It's time to start living again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StillLearnin View Post
    You are plenty young to find somebody and start a family. (with somebody about 10 years younger that likes older men, and probably likes to have a lot of sex)

    It's time to start living again.


    He's 41. He doesn't need to find a woman 10 years younger Woman can still have babies over 31 years old you know...
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    Yeah, yeah, I know. But, technically, any woman over 35 is considered a risk for child bearing. I personally don't think 40 year olds should have kids because of the medical risk to the woman. Just my opinion.

    (I said that to motivate him! )

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    Quote Originally Posted by StillLearnin View Post
    Yeah, yeah, I know. But, technically, any woman over 35 is considered a risk for child bearing. I personally don't think 40 year olds should have kids because of the medical risk to the woman. Just my opinion.

    (I said that to motivate him! )
    Perhaps years ago... but now with prenatal care woman are safely having babies in their late 30's and early 40's and the former is actually more common place than every before as more and more women are putting their education and careers ahead of breedin'.

    I had my kid as a teenager and had NUMEROUS complications. I am now in my early 30's and the best shape of my life and healthier than I've ever been -- I'd feel way more confident having a healthier pregnancy now then when I did an overweight teenager.

    A woman 10 years younger as motivation? Ugh. I'll leave that one alone.
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    This is sadly not that unusual - read many threads here.

    It sounds like you are trying to be romantic. I don't know what she wants (has she said?).

    If she doesn't think there is a problem, I don't think it will get better. I think you need to decide if you are willing to live the rest of your life like this, or leave. If I could think of a 3rd suggestion I'd have used it myself.

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