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    Question My partner's low sex drive is completely destroying our 4 year relationship. Help?

    I really don't know what else to say.

    I'm 22, she's 21.

    We've been together for nearly four years and have been best friends for around seven. Before we started dating, she'd hook up with someone every six months or so and that's all she really 'needed'. I've been in relationships on both ends of the spectrum, ranging from sex everyday (sometimes twice a day) to sex once a week. As long as I've known her, she's never been like that, though.

    We've been together a while now, and I was thinking that after we "settled down" a bit, we'd have sex a bit more often. We used to average once a month or so (since we lived with our parents and could only see each other a few times a month anyways) and I thought that, given some time, things would change. Turn the page and it's 2010... and we've been living together for a little over 2 years and I'm lucky if we do *anything* sexual more frequently than once a month. We kiss, cuddle and hold hands just like any other couple, but when it comes to a romp in the sack... it's almost always a no-go or no-show.

    Tonight was definitely the last straw. The last time we "hooked up" was sometime during the first or second week in September. It's been well over a month now and I honestly, deep down, feel like just can't take it anymore.

    Being a man, psychologically, I *need* sex. Just like any other man, I need it to feel loved and cared for and it's just not happening. When we talk about it, she says that she has "really bad anxiety issues" but doesn't know what causes them. She says that sex doesn't cross her mind more than once every couple days and she really just doesn't feel the need to do the deed. I want to say that she's masturbated twice in her life and says that she cant get herself off (because it's "weird" and she didn't enjoy it).


    I know deep down that every girl wants a man that can seduce her and make her feel like the sexiest, most desirable thing in this world. I'm just rather stumped with "Why is she different?". I love this woman with all of my heart and so much more. I'd take a bullet for her in an instant. Our relationship is **incredible** in every way... until you start thinking about our sex life.

    I work 50-60hrs a week and then spend another 10 or so every weekend working on my own business. I think she usually hits right around 40 unless it's a bad week for business. I'm a firefighter/paramedic, so my schedule is always a bit goofy since I don't necessarily work your standard 9-5 shabang. So even though we see each other daily (we try to, at least), I still work A LOT. This usually leads to "stress".

    A man's way of relieving stress is... SEX.

    So no matter how much I've worked this week, how much I've got to do by Monday, how much stuff I have to build, configure and ship by Tuesday, how many clients I need to meet tomorrow, whatever.... nearly the entire day, as most men do, I spend it thinking about knockin' boots.

    She's not like me at all. Good day, bad day, tired, bubbly, sick or well... she still doesn't want me. She tells me every time we talk about it that she feels horrible for not "pleasing me" and wishes she knew what to do, but we've never found any sort of magical "cure" for it. I think that talking it out is our only option but I'm only one man, I can only say and do so much.

    Look, I want to paint a picture for you ladies (and any guys that may be reading) to give you a better understanding of what usually happens when I try to "initiate" getting intimate with my SO. This is just how I do things (although it does vary from encounter to encounter). Maybe it's something *I'm* doing, so I wanted to throw this out there as well.

    On weekdays, I usually come home around 6:30pm or 6:30am (depending on which department I was working). Now, I've given up completely to having "wake up sex" because, let's face it, she's awfully y when she first wakes up haha It's not worth getting smacked or yelled at. And to be completely honest, I've pretty much given up on "starting things" myself and have settled with letting nature run its course.

    Suppose (like tonight) I got in around 6:30pm, said "hey" to her at the door. Walking past, I gave her a quick kiss and set my bunker bags down by the front door. I noticed her new haircut, her outfit and the fact that she was fresh out of the shower (her curly wet hair is huge turn on!). I slowly walked towards her, slipped one arm behind her, in the small of her back and wrapped my the other around her shoulders and gave her a *biggg* hug. After sharing a nice, "cozy" hug and a few more kisses, I grab something to drink and sit down at the island and ask her about her day. We do the whole small talk number for 10-15 minutes when suddenly... I notice that every time she turns her head towards me, I get goosebumps. Something about her hair and that summer dress has struck a cord deep inside me and I couldn't resist my primeval urges to make a move. I grabbed her and kissed her passionately... heaven. I pulled away and I just couldn't take my eyes off her. Every time she looked into my eyes, I felt like she wasn't looking "through me"... she was actually seeing *into* me.

    At this point, I couldn't help myself. She had me hooked on many levels. I picked her up, both of us giggling like little girls and carried her into the bedroom and laid her gently onto the bed. I climbed on top like a seasoned cowboy, slid one arm underneath her head and used my free hand to start tracing light circles along her side. I obviously went into "flirt mode", making a few jokes and setting the "feel" for what I wanted to transpire. Something deep and meaningful, yet playful and loving.

    After passionately kissing like there was no tomorrow, I slowly tugged down the side of her soffe shorts to reveal her sensitive hips and just a sliver of her cute butt. I slowly made my way down until her hip could feel my warm breath over the coolness in the room. Nibble a bit here, lick a little, suck a bit here. Slowly tracing the outline of her shorts with my tongue, I made my way to her tummy and started all over again. After a few moments of intense teasing, I decided to push onward. I concentrated my kisses and flicks in-line with her heavenly opening a bit further south. Very slowly, I traced my way down to her waistband and effortlessly slipped underneath. I pulled the front of her shorts down to reveal just the slightest hint of her clit. I slowly licked and nibbled all around it at first, before turning my attention to the "focal point". Finally, my tongue makes two slow flicks over the "button" and I hear: "Babyyyy.... Stop.". I let go, look up and ask "What's wrong?". She said "Not right now, I've had a long day and I have to get up realllly early." I reply, "Babe, it's almost 7pm... we've still got all night, it's kinda early." She replied, "I just don't feel like it."

    So I kiss her cheek and lips over and over, say "I love you." and walk away. I figured it was time to start working on these computers so I can ship them out in a day or two, so I got busy. The rest of the evening went off without a hitch (or a bang ha). We were laying in bed and for some reason she wanted to throw her leg over mine, and slowly move the inside of her thigh across my junk every few seconds. I politely told her "stop" and gently pushed her leg down, away from my boys. She rolled over huffing, "Sorry! God.". She said that she hates that she can never please me, and she wishes there was something out there that would make her want me sexually. I cuddled up behind her for a few, she passed out and now I'm on here.

    Welcome to my world, Ladies!

    I honestly could not tell you the last time *I* initiated, in any way shape or form, that actually led to a sexual encounter. Usually I'll know when things are gonna get freaky. She'll make a couple comments throughout the day about how sexy I look in my uniform, or how nice my butt looks, and sometimes she'll pull me close, feel my chest/shoulders and say something like "Hey, Sexy!"

    If any of those things happen, at some point in the next 24 hours, I might get lucky. This happens at the MOST, twice a month. It's been steady at once every 4-5 weeks for four years straight... so when this happens, I know something is coming.

    Now sadly... I don't want her pity sex (which I feel like I'm getting). I want a real, passionate exchange of love for once, a real earth shattering bonding experience.... and that's just not happening. I'm at the end of my rope here and don't know what I should do to help her! When she "initiates", usually she'll start by scratching my back, having me roll over and she'll start scratching my chest/stomach.

    Once she hits my stomach or legs, mentally, I'm all-in. So she'll do the usual quick tease, wrap my little fella up and start going. Positions are limited (which sucks) because she gets muscle cramps in weird positions. On top of that, she can't take me in very deep without it hurting her, so hardcore doggy, knees-to-chest missionary and whatnot is OUT. It's slow and gentle, *all the time*. I LOVE IT. Don't get me wrong, I really do! ...But every once in a while, I wanna let the animal in me... OUT.

    Look, I just don't think this is normal by any means. As far as I know, she's not the cheating type. She snuck a few kisses in on me with a "friend" of hers when we first started dating but to my knowledge, it hasn't happened since. Four years later, I'd trust her with my life.

    Any ideas as to what could be causing this? She was never raped, molested or anything of that nature. She grew up in a very strict Catholic family, but is currently atheist, as am I. She's perfectly healthy otherwise and we enjoy an amazing relationship in every regard... except for sex. I'm thinking that her hormones are all out of whack but I'm really not sure. We've talked about going to therapy together but she's too embarrassed and doesn't want to.

    I feel like I'm sleeping with my room-mate, ladies. That's all I can really say. And to be entirely honest, it makes me want to cry. It just doesn't make sense.

    If you've got anything you can throw at me, please feel free! I can use all the advice you can give.

    Huge Thanks, Gals!

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    I think one thing you need to remember, as you stated in your post, is that she was always like this, sexually, since you have known her!! I think it is unfair for you to be unhappy about her not changing for you, cause you knew what you were getting into. I know it must be difficult for you to live like this, hopefully she will start to feel more sexual need, it does happen sometimes. I think you are just sexually mis-matched, unfortunately!!

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    Stuff like this makes me want to cry. I've often been on the other side, with a man I want and desire, getting little to nothing. Missmatched drives are a painful thing.
    A couple things come to mind, the first being if her BC could be part of the problem. Many women find that the pill destroys their sex drive. It can take several months after getting off of it to get it back.

    In your narrative you describe a situation where in bed she starts to move her thigh across you in an arousing manner and you told her to stop and she got huffy. That sounds like she may have been trying to initiate and you rejected her. How often has that happened? The two of you may just have your wires crossed.

    Not masterbating and coming from a strict religious background can indicate a discomfort with sexual pleasure. We've discussed this extensively before but studies have found that many women's brains will show arousal and orgasm but they are disconnected from it and don't 'feel' it. Does she orgasm when you have sex?
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    Maybe ask questions.. Can I touch you here is it comfortable....it takes time to get to know what a women likes or is uncomfortable about. She might not know why that move made her back away. Find out by talking when sex is not on the go. When a women is youg there is little experience and sometimes she does nto even know what she likes or how to pleaseure.
    Respect her pulling away as much as her invitation. The one that waits patiently the longest eventually will get there and you can have a year if you need there are no bars. Relax and enjoy what you do have which seems like in many ways a good relation.
    Talk wiht her.

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    ok As the only man who has answered you so far, I have to say I completely agree with the girls, with some additions.

    As foxdana said, this is the way she has always been. Accept it. If you feel this is not the type of person you want to be with, accept it and move on. Oh, that's extreme but not really. Accept the reality, not your imagination of who this person should be.

    As wildchild said, why did you turn her down when she tried to initiate sex? Because you wanted to get one back? makes no sense, because it's pity sex? Well I'll get to that later.

    As sust said, it's so important to get to know your woman.

    Now before you get all upset with me, maybe you have taken the time to get to know her body but that hasn't come across in what you have said so please don't be offended. Here's my advice.

    QS1 Do you love her, do you see yourself making babies with her and living the rest of your life with her as things are? yes or no?

    If it's yes then just accept things and get on with it.
    If it's no, then

    Qs2 ask yourself can you see yourself spending the rest of your life together if the sex life does improve?

    if it's no then accept it and get on with things.

    If Yes, then let's change that sex life.

    How do you change it? Well, stop focusing on sex.

    you quite erotically described a sexual scenario with her in the kitchen (soft porn novel writer? lol) but let's actually look at the situation. you were just in from a stinky day at work (as was she). You kissed her, hugged her and took her to bed like that's all that mattered. In bed you kissed her and went into flirt mode???? Before you ever kissed he in the kitchen, you should have gone into flirt mode. Thats Step one. Then you moved on to her button. hmm.

    Budy, I can understand that you are frustrated and at this point almost want to prove something by getting some. And as soon as she said no, like you were expecting, you got up and left her, storming off. Way to make her feel special. All you did there was show her that all you interested in is sex. All I want is sex, and if you dont give it to me then I want nothing to do with you, backed up by, refusing her advance later in the evening.


    So how do you fix this? Well stop thinking that sex is the goal. From a cleanliness point of view, and it's often far more important to girls than boys, share a shower or just go for one yourself. And then stop worrying about sex. Just kiss her. nothing more, kiss her forever because all that is important to you is being close to her. Remove the pressure from her. Kiss her. Slowly kis her lips, her neck, her shoulders again and again, I mean 30 minutes plus. And do nothing more. Touch her of course at the same time but forget about the end result and focus on the process. The emotinal closeness shared in moments like this. Often girls take so much longer to get turned on than guys. Kiss her and touch her and keep doing that and only that. Make her feel the connection. When she does, and you are not marching on to her button then I guarantee she will star moving things on.

    When you pull a girls pants down and she says, she's not in the mood, that's you cue to be a man and put her in the mood, to show her that sex is not the end game, but a deep physical emotional bonding session with her is. be a man and say, ok babe, and go back to teasing her and kissing her and you keep doing it. Eventually she will get turned on. Walking away is what a wuss does. Women do not get turned on by wusses. Keep doing it, and you need to enjoy it an accept that it may not lead to sex but that kissing and touching is enough. If you do it long enough you will turn her on and she will move things on and that's what you want. You never want to try to have sex with a girl who isn't turned on. unfortunately it seems like ur girl doesn't get turned on easily, but if u love her, u need to show her that it's ok. That will acutally turn her on. Everything ur doing now, forcing it, rushing it, walking away and turning her down is not helping.

    If, she has such a low sex drive these hour long foreplay sessions don't turn her on then accept it.

    If you still want tu be with her then pull out your and masturbate while kissing her, it will certainly be a turn on for you and maybe for her and will give you the emotional closeness a normal wank wont. If that's not enough then just accept it and refer back to QS 1

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    Thanks for the replies so far! I appreciate it.

    I knew (to a degree) what I was getting into with her, since we'd known each other for so long. At the same time, like I said, I felt like she'd "open up" (like most women) after a while. I respect her decision to say no whenever it happens but I can't help but feel a bit overlooked.

    When I was describing what happened after we laid down for the night, I'm honestly not sure if she was trying to start anything or not. She has the habit of throwing her leg over me (which I don't mind at all) but once she starts rubbing around, intentional or not, I can't help but get turned on. I pushed her away because I almost always feel like it's pity sex whenever we do anything and it makes me feel horrible. She does enjoy it, once the ball gets rolling. Usually she comes 3-4 times per session and soaks the sheets in the process.

    My goal here is to get her to open up enough sexually so that whenever I want to take "the man's role", I can, without getting shot down repeatedly and feeling like an just for trying. I mean, I feel horrible for coming onto her and I don't want it to be like that. I want her to want to seduce me too. I just don't know if that's ever going to happen.

    This is destroying our relationship, though. Think of it this way... over a period of a year, we likely have sex somewhere around 10-12 times. Most of our friends (ranging from their 20s to their 50s) are doing it at least once a week, most of them are multiple times a week. Whenever I think of it like that, I just feel left out.

    I'm not sure how much longer I can last in this situation. I love her to death, I really do... but I don't want to end up in a sexless marriage. I don't know what to do anymore.

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    There are so many couples with mismatched sex drives... If you don't feel you can be in this for the long haul, under the assumption that she will not change, save yourself now and get out. There are a few people on this board who have been involved with their SO, married for many many years and have lived this life. It's not one to envy, but once you get yourself too invested, it gets harder to get out.

    You knew what she was like at the beginning, you've given her 4 years to 'open' up sexually to you... You've done what you can, find someone who will appreciate the sexual man that you are and can meet you head to head with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-man View Post
    ok As the only man who has answered you so far, I have to say I completely agree with the girls, with some additions...
    I have to say, that was rather brilliant haha

    To answer everything, in short... yes, if she becomes more sexually active, I'd have no problem staying for the rest of my life.

    "When you pull a girls pants down and she says, she's not in the mood, that's you cue to be a man and put her in the mood.."

    Believe it or not, we've been together four years and I've played that card I don't know how many times. I don't want to be a d*ck or appear insensitive but I've definitely tried that number enough to know that it doesn't elicit a response. There's a fine line there between being pushy and working your magic, so you've got to be careful just how hard you try... but it's never gotten me anywhere with her. I was dating a girl before my current gf and playing that card was a surefire way for some steamy encounters. With this one, though... nada. It's hard to not feel like a complete douche when she say's stop and pushes you away more than three times. After four years of this, it's hard to want to keep trying, you know?


    If you still want to be with her then pull out your * and masturbate while kissing her

    Been there done that. She'll rub my chest and kiss my cheek a few times... big whoop. I can go jerk off on my own time.


    If, she has such a low sex drive these hour long foreplay sessions don't turn her on then accept it.

    Exactly my point and exactly why I'm here. I've spent upwards of an hour trying everything in the book and for the most part, she won't budge. Most girls I know intimately melt within 20 minutes and are BEGGING for it by 30... she couldn't care less. She'd rather read a book or watch TV, trust me.

    From a cleanliness point of view, and it's often far more important to girls than boys, share a shower or just go for one yourself.

    Yes sir, I feel ya there. We've taken showers together numerous times and we both love it. Usually we wash each others hair and whatnot, maybe bump and grind a couple times but that's the end of it. I've NEVER gotten any further than that (with her) by taking a shower with her. For the record though, I had actually taken a shower at the station before heading home since we had a nasty brush fire a few hours before my shift ended, so hygiene shouldn't be an issue.


    I don't know, man. Like I said, we've been together this long and nothing has changed... I'm getting to the point now that I'm losing interest. I don't want to change anyone, but at the same time, I feel like this isn't normal. If anything, I want to get her to open up sexually (bump up her sex drive to "normal", instead of "off") not only for me but for her. It's a perfectly normal and healthy thing and I want her to experience it the way most everyone else does. Know what I mean?
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    T-man made some good points and we've had this discussion here before many times, you may want to giv this another try, with a little clearer understanding. Before a woman can get to the point that she in immediately sexually responsive and really does want you all the time, she has to learn to be on simmer all the time. You can do a lot to get her there and keep her there.

    This may sound counter intuitive but T-man is right, forget sex for a while. A one hour foreplay session that is goal driven to sex is different than essentially continual foreplay that is not goal driven. With the first she knows your goal is sex, with the second she feels loved, desired and valued as herself, not as a vagina, mouth or hand to pleasure you. You know that you want to connect, to experience orgasm with her, that if all you wanted was to get off, you could handle that yourself. She doesn't feel that. Kisses, touches, and little shoulder massage, giving her a hand with what she is doing, joining her in the kitchen to make dinner and smootch a little, will help her feel loved and connected. Little compliments (they must be sincere) and loving looks will help too. But NO pressure for sex. She needs time to feel that you really desire her and not just sex.

    Women don't have magic buttons, there isn't a formula. Kiss three times, caress here and there, nibble this, touch that, repeat, have sex. Now once a woman is feeling really balanced, loved for herself and desired, she may reach that state of just staying juicy and being much more immediately sexually responsive. That doesn't mean you can go back to the old habits. Many men think they treat the woman in their lives in a loving manner but if she doesn't think you do, then do you really? The fact that some other woman responded positively what you are doing doesn't mean every woman will. We are individuals, ya know. We vary from day to day, morning to night - play your cards right and that can get you a good bit of variety.

    Rethink your approach a bit and give it a try? It certainly won't hurt and it just might help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WildChild View Post
    T-man made some good points and we've had this discussion here before many times, you may want to give this another try...
    All around great post and awesome advice! I try to do everything that you mentioned as it is but you've actually helped open my eyes a bit more.

    Thanks a ton!

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