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    Hi to all....
    Reading Carolines post got me thinking about this subject. I wondered shall i post or not ? ...in the end i decided to .

    I am a little apprehensive typing as its not a subject i have posted about on any site before ..in fact i am new to posing in general, perhaps that might be obvious ...but im hoping im ddoing ok so far ...

    Before i make my comments ...i think its is important and definately relevant, to mention that i have been sexually asaulted at the age of 22, raped...which resulted in pregnancy ...consiquently i had a termination.. i have posted about it previously on this forum ...to a lady requesting NON religiious views only on termination of pregnancy...however back to the topic.

    Its important to me that i do state that my views on porn and prostitution are ONLY my opinion , yes of course thats obvious ...and in no way intended to cause offence to anybody ...be it women who have suffered any form of sexual assault, or abuse in thier lives or women who are distressed having discovered thier husbands are using porn.

    Just before i talk about porn , perhaps to those reading , i dont know some might think "i am surprised katty has those views/opinions considering what happend to her" but id like to say i think what happened just happend ...some things happen in life to people that are awful ...some people get over these things ...they dont forget them but they move on ...there is good and bad everywhere, both sexes ...

    My views on pornography - having posted before some might already know i am still single - (just havent found that special guy yet) hope to one day...BUT i date ...ive dated all ages of guys sometimes found the younger guys 28 or thereabouts more emotionally mature than a guy in his mid 40's but some of the most stimulating company ive had ...just a fantastic fun date has been from a guy considerably older 61 a very handsome intelligent guy ...i really think age just a number ...in fact guys improve (i think) with age ...now dating these guys in the usual way ...the longer you date you get to know each other, visits to each others places nights out drinks ...funand conversation as you do ...i have known ALL of these guys have been using porn, either watching films, magazines, some having porn sent to mobile phone (pics) ect and for those ive known with a pc of course they dont tell me, the odd one or two might just say if i asked ..."do you look at porn on the net"? they would say yes ...but most of the time i never think of asking i generally accept most guys or all of them do !!! Lot of guys who are working , whatever job they would be doing all the guys in work watch them my opinion is its normal ...perfectly normal ...say i visited his home found explicit magazines (i mean just porn between adults) i would just think he was normal and healthy ie: hes masturbating ...if he wasnt ...and i was dating him and i hadnt slept with him yet !!! i woud thing it was a little unusual . |Dating a guy recently who told me all his workmates are married and they ALL watch porn even though they are married he told me most married men LIKE to watch it but when i questioned what about wives ?? and how they feel ...he explained to me it dosent affect how they feel about thier wives ...of course they love the wife BUT he told me most married men still masturbate and he explained (but to be honest with you its only confirmed what i thought before i asked) that they do it out of boredom ...they love thier wifes of course BUT if they have been together for a while , its just a natural way to be that the excitement does fizzel out of sex with the same partner however hard the couple try to spice the sex life up!, perhaps some couple carnt really go too wild (noises in bedroom sex toys ect ) becouse they have young children ..they are tired with work, the kids, busy ...or just plain old stressed out ...or perhaps frustrated as they dont or feel they carnt ask thier wives to try something out in bed they would like to. BUT regards masturbation (male) my opionions are if i totally accept that he does it BEFORE living together or marriage and i do most women do if the truth be known we are all fine about that AS LONG as WE THINK hes masturbating thinking about US !!!! porn is used as the masturbation aid and agin most of us are fine knowing he watches it before we live together . Again how can we truely EXPECT and indeed who are we to expect a man to stop masturbating just because he is married or in a long term relationship !!! i know personally i wouldnt be in the least offended if married or living withsomeone that i "cought" him masturbating the question is .... thats all very well katty ...but what if you came in to see him watching porn film ...sexy "beautiful" women ect that were YOUNGER how would you feel ???? thats very easy to answer firstly ...if i lost my temper or was angry and hurt seeing these YOUNGER women ...that emotion is plain simple JELOUSY !! jelous because the guy i love, the guy i make love with is looking at younger women !!! that would make me INSECURE im not a jelous person so im being very honest i wouldnt feel jelous ...what i would feel is hurt at his indiscresion !!! if i found him at computer i would think hes not very discreet is he !!! he could have had the sense manners or the decency to know im around i could of walked in any moment !!! but ....then again for some men THE THRILL is about being discovered any moment .

    On this younger more attractive women issue - i condsider myself to be reasonably attractive - like any other woman i take utmost care with my grooming, spend a lot of time and a fair bit of money on cosmetics ect clothes ...fortunate with figure as it really seems to have stayed more or less at the same wieght (or drop wieght) if im stressed a bit im running round a lot. I have noticed especially where i live that the longer i am single and when im out socially i have lost count of the number of times another woman has been openly nasty (comments) ect not inviting to parties get togethers beause im sure they think that im some kind of sexual preditor/ seducer of husbands mearly for fact im single a lot of ladies single reaing this must relate!!! what im saying is men will always look , admire , lust and indeed masturbate over younger nubile sexy women just in my opinion its been like that since time began. BUT the most important thing is this does not mean they do not love thier wives in fact adore them ...its jsut something they do . Personally for me i would much rather i found my partner maturbating over porn than having an affair but perhaps thats a different issue ...also if it became a real problem and money out of bank housekeeping money was all going on porn sites then i do think that is a problem . Regarding women who do it ...i do think that is thier life ...just my opinion and if they choose and want to do it thats up to them.

    I also mentioned prostitution in the heading ....i jsut wish there was safe places for these women to work ...there are places in every town where these women are working on the street id like to see more protection for them when i hear people making jokes (about working women) i always feel i bit angry ...thats not an easy life ....how would i feel if ever my husband or boyfriend used the services of one of these ladies ??? id be upset ...of course i would ...BUT id rather he did that than have an affair and i hope to god it wont happen but you never know in life ...also i would say if a man was very frustrated and he didnt have a girlfriend/wife isnt it better that he used the services of these women than went out and raped somebody and made her pregnant as in my case or got hold of an innocent child .. I dont work in sex industry and i dont know any ladies that do ...

    Thanks for reading, if ive said anything to offend , again, it wasnt my intention, and i do understand any body that would feel hurt over finding husband and porn . katty x

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    I'm a man.

    First off, I'm very sorry for what you went through - obviously the guy should be shot. I know it's not the subject of the thread, and I'm sorry if it's a difficult subject - but I believe you morally did the right think in aborting the foetus (it's not a child). This can be easily justified: It isn't actually alive and sentient yet, or if it is it's to the level of a fish or something. Therefore, it becomes an issue of preventing a life from happening - and by that rationale every time we use contraception we are potentially preventing a child from happening. It can also be substantiated by utilitarianism, the theory that the morally correct action is the one that brings the greatest happiness to the greatest number of people. Assuming that you have another child 5 years later, which you wouldn't have had otherwise, and most likely in a stable relationship, this next child would lead a happier life than the first, but wouldn't have existed if the first had.... Therefore, it is morally right. Try not to let religious freakshows upset you.

    Onto the topic now...

    I'm very impressed by your ability to be rational, and to think about things from a male perspective.

    I completely agree with everything that you say, pretty much.
    I don't really know what to add. Erm, I guess first off if your husband is spending money on pornography, get him to type "torrents" into google and learn how they work (that way you can legally download the latest linux distribution <_<). No need to pay for that in this day and age.


    That said, if women think when their man fantasizes it's 100% about her, they're sorely mistaken. And it's a shame that they have to be wrong, and it's a shame that they decide to be hurt about it, but that's just reality. Just like it's a shame that we grow old, or pay taxes - that's life. I always wonder how "real" a relationship can be when one party makes no effort to understand the other, and tries to change them in ways that are so radical the suggestion would make you laugh, were it not for wanting to spare their feelings.

    I definately think that insecurity is the main issue women have with pornography, and that is pretty much their issue. Just like if a woman wants to go out with her male friends the fact that the husband feels insecure about it is insignificant. One's life cannot be controlled by what you know are the irrational fears of your other half. People should be trusting.

    Taking things a bit further I pretty much also think that monogomy is pretty much a remnant of Christianity or other religions, the views of which I value as zero. , because of christianity in the UK you'd still go to jail for having homosexual sex in the 1960's. The fact that we've managed to (not quite) change human nature to become monogamous for fear of burning in a hypothetical cum social stigma is quite impressive - the very idea of controlling the fantasy life of someone as well is ludicrous. Weren't one of the only groups who tried to control your thoughts the Nazis?

    I'm not certain that you can say that pornography is also an alternative to cheating, its more a case of "what's the difference of seeing things with my real eyes as opposed to my minds eye, which WOULD be thinking about this anyway?".

    As for rape/prostitution - Unfortunately I don't think things are that simple, in that I don't believe that when a man rapes a woman it is soley because they desire to have sex. There is also an abundance of psychological issues like power play etc, these people get turned on by the cries of their victims - which they wouldn't get from 'consentual' sex with a prostitute.

    But for sure, if we legalised prostitution perhaps they would be able to work in far safer environments without fear of beatings/forced drugs/rapes/murders etc. Hopefully we could eliminate the "pimp".

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    Quote Originally Posted by anonymouswhitefemale View Post
    Try not to let religious freakshows upset you.
    Whatever your view is, I believe it can be expressed by not making attacks on certain groups of people.

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    Ok, fair point.

    It is however, those people that are doing exactly that by labelling her as a murder or a heretic or whatever. I think people should be more sensitive to people in her position than they should be to someone who's religious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by katty1 View Post
    Hi to all....
    Reading Carolines post got me thinking about this subject. I wondered shall i post or not ? ...in the end i decided to .

    I am a little apprehensive typing as its not a subject i have posted about on any site before ..in fact i am new to posing in general, perhaps that might be obvious ...but im hoping im ddoing ok so far ...

    Before i make my comments ...i think its is important and definately relevant, to mention that i have been sexually asaulted at the age of 22, raped...which resulted in pregnancy ...consiquently i had a termination.. i have posted about it previously on this forum ...to a lady requesting NON religiious views only on termination of pregnancy...however back to the topic.

    Kitty1 i always think is the best medicine when something in life happens to you that is not the "norm" to always state it and i always feel the up-most for people that do and feel that sense of proudness i guess. Decisions about what we do are our decisions to make for the reasons we chose to make them, on any grounds in my opinion.

    Its important to me that i do state that my views on porn and prostitution are ONLY my opinion , yes of course thats obvious ...and in no way intended to cause offence to anybody ...be it women who have suffered any form of sexual assault, or abuse in thier lives or women who are distressed having discovered thier husbands are using porn.

    Just before i talk about porn , perhaps to those reading , i dont know some might think "i am surprised katty has those views/opinions considering what happend to her" but id like to say i think what happened just happend ...some things happen in life to people that are awful ...some people get over these things ...they dont forget them but they move on ...there is good and bad everywhere, both sexes ...

    It is important to look at past as past, present as present, future as future in my books, my cat dying by a dog in front of me, hurt but i don't hate dogs for instance, it happened, so views of any subject pertaining to dogs is still cool to me, if you understand my logic. I think it is very important to move on, totally agree.

    My views on pornography - having posted before some might already know i am still single - (just havent found that special guy yet) hope to one day...BUT i date ...ive dated all ages of guys sometimes found the younger guys 28 or thereabouts more emotionally mature than a guy in his mid 40's but some of the most stimulating company ive had ...just a fantastic fun date has been from a guy considerably older 61 a very handsome intelligent guy ...i really think age just a number ...in fact guys improve (i think) with age ...now dating these guys in the usual way ...the longer you date you get to know each other, visits to each others places nights out drinks ...funand conversation as you do ...i have known ALL of these guys have been using porn, either watching films, magazines, some having porn sent to mobile phone (pics) ect and for those ive known with a pc of course they dont tell me, the odd one or two might just say if i asked ..."do you look at porn on the net"? they would say yes ...but most of the time i never think of asking i generally accept most guys or all of them do !!! Lot of guys who are working , whatever job they would be doing all the guys in work watch them my opinion is its normal ...perfectly normal ...say i visited his home found explicit magazines (i mean just porn between adults) i would just think he was normal and healthy ie: hes masturbating ...if he wasnt ...and i was dating him and i hadnt slept with him yet !!! i woud thing it was a little unusual . |Dating a guy recently who told me all his workmates are married and they ALL watch porn even though they are married he told me most married men LIKE to watch it but when i questioned what about wives ?? and how they feel ...he explained to me it dosent affect how they feel about thier wives ...of course they love the wife BUT he told me most married men still masturbate and he explained (but to be honest with you its only confirmed what i thought before i asked) that they do it out of boredom ...they love thier wifes of course BUT if they have been together for a while , its just a natural way to be that the excitement does fizzel out of sex with the same partner however hard the couple try to spice the sex life up!, perhaps some couple carnt really go too wild (noises in bedroom sex toys ect ) becouse they have young children ..they are tired with work, the kids, busy ...or just plain old stressed out ...or perhaps frustrated as they dont or feel they carnt ask thier wives to try something out in bed they would like to. BUT regards masturbation (male) my opionions are if i totally accept that he does it BEFORE living together or marriage and i do most women do if the truth be known we are all fine about that AS LONG as WE THINK hes masturbating thinking about US !!!! porn is used as the masturbation aid and agin most of us are fine knowing he watches it before we live together . Again how can we truely EXPECT and indeed who are we to expect a man to stop masturbating just because he is married or in a long term relationship !!! i know personally i wouldnt be in the least offended if married or living withsomeone that i "cought" him masturbating the question is .... thats all very well katty ...but what if you came in to see him watching porn film ...sexy "beautiful" women ect that were YOUNGER how would you feel ???? thats very easy to answer firstly ...if i lost my temper or was angry and hurt seeing these YOUNGER women ...that emotion is plain simple JELOUSY !! jelous because the guy i love, the guy i make love with is looking at younger women !!! that would make me INSECURE im not a jelous person so im being very honest i wouldnt feel jelous ...what i would feel is hurt at his indiscresion !!! if i found him at computer i would think hes not very discreet is he !!! he could have had the sense manners or the decency to know im around i could of walked in any moment !!! but ....then again for some men THE THRILL is about being discovered any moment

    I do agree that if there is a definate bond between each other and trust, then there is no need for jealousy, but i also would not like to see him daily looking at his computer that is disrespect big time, nothing to do with being discreet, just plain disrespect, a once of, i'd probably sit on his lap and tell him to show me what he's looking at.

    Only because i am also not the jealous type and i would feel and know the sexual intimacy and love combined that i had with my man, he would be embarrased and i would take that embarrasement away, simple.

    On this younger more attractive women issue - i condsider myself to be reasonably attractive - like any other woman i take utmost care with my grooming, spend a lot of time and a fair bit of money on cosmetics ect clothes ...fortunate with figure as it really seems to have stayed more or less at the same wieght (or drop wieght) if im stressed a bit im running round a lot. I have noticed especially where i live that the longer i am single and when im out socially i have lost count of the number of times another woman has been openly nasty (comments) ect not inviting to parties get togethers beause im sure they think that im some kind of sexual preditor/ seducer of husbands mearly for fact im single a lot of ladies single reaing this must relate!!!

    I can relate to that, if you take pride in yourself, it shows on the outside and if your outgoing which i suspect you are, then it's attractive for a man to talk to you on many subjects, and as you hold no jealousy, they obviously do it won't change even if you had a partner, you'd still possibly be attacked because you are a confident person and they are not.

    what im saying is men will always look , admire , lust and indeed masturbate over younger nubile sexy women just in my opinion its been like that since time began. BUT the most important thing is this does not mean they do not love thier wives in fact adore them ...its jsut something they do . Personally for me i would much rather i found my partner maturbating over porn than having an affair but perhaps thats a different issue ...also if it became a real problem and money out of bank housekeeping money was all going on porn sites then i do think that is a problem . Regarding women who do it ...i do think that is thier life ...just my opinion and if they choose and want to do it thats up to them.

    I can add that my girlfriends email me across "fire fighters" with six packs, which is not porn of course, but i do have a look, or once a comical show of men's manhood dressed up as poodles, utilising that manhood as the nose or leg and whilst it was funny, all the girls in my office came and looked, pointing out the different sizes, shapes, colours, so it's natural to look. I haven't but i will because i'm curious, " they say it killed the Kat", only joking... but i am so i see no harm.

    I also mentioned prostitution in the heading ....i jsut wish there was safe places for these women to work ...there are places in every town where these women are working on the street id like to see more protection for them when i hear people making jokes (about working women) i always feel i bit angry ...thats not an easy life ....how would i feel if ever my husband or boyfriend used the services of one of these ladies ??? id be upset ...of course i would ...BUT id rather he did that than have an affair and i hope to god it wont happen but you never know in life ...also i would say if a man was very frustrated and he didnt have a girlfriend/wife isnt it better that he used the services of these women than went out and raped somebody and made her pregnant as in my case or got hold of an innocent child .. I dont work in sex industry and i dont know any ladies that do ...

    In Australia it is more over looked, there are certainly more brothels here that are well known and left alone, the women are safe, they don't walk the streets...

    There i would not agree for me personally, if they used the service of another woman i'd be gone, as it is an affair an affair of putting themselves inside another woman, regardless of one time, as i said i'm not jealous, but there is no excuse if he can get what he wants from me and i'd make sure of it.

    Sure, if he was frustrated and single, and no man has the right to take out of his own greed or satisfaction and i do tend to think that there are other issues with a man that thinks or does this, it is not normal or out of pure frustration but again lack of respect for human beings for one...

    Thanks for reading, if ive said anything to offend , again, it wasnt my intention, and i do understand any body that would feel hurt over finding husband and porn . katty x
    I think the main reason why they may feel hurt is that they have lost their own drive or else those thoughts wouldn't be in his mind to watch i think, but that's my opinion. So they feel cheated instead of looking at it objectively and saying okay, something is missing here, what can i do.

    I am not referring to the "addict" who doesn't care if she sees it in front of her or not and ignores her, nor the once in a blue moon, curiousity guy... as i said, i'd sit on his lap and say what are you watching, let's look together, then race him into the bedroom.

    We simply have a lot to learn and realise the extent of hard work involved, ( both sides ) of keeping a marriage or long term relationship alive. Because once it falls, it's hard to climb back up, often i think, that "honeymoon" stage gone, people go into "friendship" mode and can't cross back over.

    I'd be the first to admit, ( not with my ex h, due to other issues) but say with my previous fiancee. Routine plays too much of a role, stress of both partners having to work, children, all sorts and the next thing you know, your cooking for your friend....

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    A.N.F - thank you for your post and also for your words regarding abortion. Im in total agreement, of course, yes, every time we use contraception its potentially preventing life ....BUT just as important in the case of condoms we are also preventing STD'S nobody should have to suffer from STD in this day and age ...

    I thank you for your comment about being able to see things from male perspective. i may be incorrect as you may have just made the comment in general...im not married ..so im not actually having the problem with husband spending money on porn via pc ..or whatever i was just saying in my previous post *if* a woman found her husband to be using c. card for porn via pc and vast amounts of money was being used to the point they had some real financial problems over it i was more or less saying that i understand why she would be in such a state , but i guess "torrents" thing is useful information so again, thanks for that !!

    Reading your comment "if women think when thier man fantasizes its 100% about her and its a shame they have to be hurt, pay taxes or grow old !! ...i couldnt help but laugh...if ever there was a truer word spoken ....as long as its not over the milkman ...thats fine by me!!

    Yes and of course you are right ...it is insecurity ....but a lot can just be jelousy ...how many women have seen tv programme say for example runway models ...fashions ect ...we are supposed to be looking at the clothes ok , we know these girls are thin , its the job to look like that , they are not forcing them to be models but women will comment on "shes not pretty" or just nit picking over her face the way she looks ...its very y !! lot of it again pure jelousy ....im certainly not putting all women in this box, dont get me wrong BUT im sure there must be a great number of women who would "secretly" love to be that "porn queen" be that object of desire for all men to watch beautiful body ect ..and then they get upset ect ...but you know everybody is different and they are entitled to feel the way they feel no two women are the same.

    Just regarding prostitution - you expressed my feelings perfectly - particularly regarding the pimp isssue/ beatings and rapes ect .

    I thank you ...katty

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    Quote Originally Posted by katty1 View Post
    Yes and of course you are right ...it is insecurity ....but a lot can just be jelousy ...
    Insecurity is not always the problem and neither is jealousy. Granted most might be, but not all.

    Me, I don't like porn in a committed relationship just because of the fact that I feel that I should be able to please my guy and give him everything he needs and wants - within reason that is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fallen1 View Post
    Whatever your view is, I believe it can be expressed by not making attacks on certain groups of people.
    hi fallen ...thanks for the posts - i feel its only fair to say regarding religious opinions anyone may have i mean i dont mind saying it...im a Catholic - my bnrother was a priest at the time of my rape he was more concerned just soley for my health and emotional state (of course i was very upset at the time discovering i was pregnant ) he didnt give me any religious lectures anything like that. he was just a loving supportive brother . He changed his religion a number of years later for his own reasons he is now a Anglican vicar ... we have a loving brother sister relationship . it was sad at the time i wont forget it having not had children yet i do hope to one day . Katty x

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    Quote Originally Posted by katty1 View Post
    A.N.F - thank you for your post and also for your words regarding abortion. Im in total agreement, of course, yes, every time we use contraception its potentially preventing life ....BUT just as important in the case of condoms we are also preventing STD'S nobody should have to suffer from STD in this day and age ...
    I was only saying that from the moral standpoint of "preventing a human life from happening", that was exactly what we are doing when we put that condom on, or even exactly what we are doing when we don't tear our clothes of and mate like rabbits in the street. Obviously I do think that we should be preventing human lives from happening... I do believe in contraception, and in abortion. And in mandatory child limits in overpopulated areas.


    Quote Originally Posted by katty1 View Post
    I thank you for your comment about being able to see things from male perspective. i may be incorrect as you may have just made the comment in general...im not married ..so im not actually having the problem with husband spending money on porn via pc ..or whatever i was just saying in my previous post *if* a woman found her husband to be using c. card for porn via pc and vast amounts of money was being used to the point they had some real financial problems over it i was more or less saying that i understand why she would be in such a state , but i guess "torrents" thing is useful information so again, thanks for that !!
    No thanks necessary - give credit where credit is due... My point about the whole torrents thing was just because I laugh when I hear about people spending loads of money on porn, simply because I wouldn't even comprehend the thought given how easily and safely it can be 'obtained'. It doesn't hurt to spread the word ...

    Quote Originally Posted by katty1 View Post
    Reading your comment "if women think when thier man fantasizes its 100% about her and its a shame they have to be hurt, pay taxes or grow old !! ...i couldnt help but laugh...if ever there was a truer word spoken ....as long as its not over the milkman ...thats fine by me!!
    Did I just misunderstand you or are you saying it's fine for your man to fantasize as long as it's not about other men?


    Quote Originally Posted by katty1 View Post
    Yes and of course you are right ...it is insecurity ....but a lot can just be jelousy ...how many women have seen tv programme say for example runway models ...fashions ect ...we are supposed to be looking at the clothes ok , we know these girls are thin , its the job to look like that , they are not forcing them to be models but women will comment on "shes not pretty" or just nit picking over her face the way she looks ...its very y !! lot of it again pure jelousy
    Yeah, the jealousy thing amuses me quite a lot to be honest. low brow womens magazines thrive off that faeces. "12 page special of celebrity spots! Look! It's Victoria beckham with a pimple on her breast! Oh my god!". It wasn't really until I met someone who laps up that rubbish that I found it even funnier - this was a girl that had a few skin problems but she took absolute delight in every minor flaw in these women who are obviously far more attractive than herself. It just seemed so....... pathetic. And catty, y, snyde, whatever you want to call it. I've got to be honest, and I risk sounding a bit sexist here, but I also think it's pretty poor how girls are with each other and their own friends. One will only mention that you've lost weight if you still look worse than they do, they won't go out with someone that much prettier than them because it makes them look ugly, as soon as someone's back's turned there's ing going on... Basically when I see groups like that I don't see friendship at all, I see a pathetic game, and vicious unsympathetic girls. My limited experience of deep female/female relationships has also betrayed this angle, constant one-up-manship. The relationship is fine as long as the "power" (read; attractiveness) balance remains the same. Many of the women I meet have told me that they choose not to have female friends for this reason. But I suppose men have their heirarchical power structures too.

    Quote Originally Posted by katty1 View Post
    ....im certainly not putting all women in this box, dont get me wrong BUT im sure there must be a great number of women who would "secretly" love to be that "porn queen" be that object of desire for all men to watch beautiful body ect ..and then they get upset ect ...but you know everybody is different and they are entitled to feel the way they feel no two women are the same.
    I agree that certainly a lot of women would feel like this; not all though. Generally the asexual women will just see it as degrading, improper and against whatever social taboos they've been bred to uphold to the letter.

    My main other thing I'd have to add on porn is that men on the whole (at least in ages 18-30) have a higher sex drive than women, so slowing it down to the partners pace is a bit harsh, as I'm sure when that woman hits her peak at 30+ she'll be demanding sex and if she doesn't get it it's out with the dildo or a toyboy...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fallen1 View Post
    Insecurity is not always the problem and neither is jealousy. Granted most might be, but not all.

    Me, I don't like porn in a committed relationship just because of the fact that I feel that I should be able to please my guy and give him everything he needs and wants - within reason that is.
    Im not saying i woulnt feel hurt - of course i would because I TOO would like to think that everything was fine sexually and i was pleasing the man in question ! (which i do try to best of my ability ) actually when i have been in a sexual relationship (havent lived with a guy yet) its not something (sex) ive conciously thought when about to do it "right got to try real hard here to please him" its just been a really passionate moment and ive gone with the flo so to speak ...i havent got to that point were i have ever seen a man using porn ie pc when he was with me ...ive only ever spied the mags by the bed (in his place) type of thing and one boyfriend who hid a stack of porn films in the loft everytime i came to visit ...he went in the loft once while i was visiting and accidently knocked a huge pile they all came tumbling down on my head , i was standing at the bottom of the loft ladder but obviously he was watching them !! he just hid them when i came to visit ....i knew it was time to end it when i found the bondage gear in his wardrobe...and the womens underwear ...you know at that point you know your uncomfortable ...i wasnt happy so it ended ...if its jsut a bit of porn he watches now and again and its not in front of me (i mean if i was living with him and i knew he was doing this all the time ) id think about where the relatiionship was going ...but really what i was trying to say was male masturbation ...without the porn , i mean finding him doing it it really wouldnt bother me ...i mean if he wants to do that thats fine its his body and the gripe i have is women saying you can masturbate with me as part of sex ...BUT ...you (the man) are not doing it on your own !!! thats outrageous demand ...

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