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  • Originally posted by atskitty2 View Post
    Well, you did expect some of it to come back once you began giving your body calories again, right? How much have you regained?
    I weighed myself at 6 pounds heavier the previous week and that was what I expected. I expected to be a pound or two lighter last week, but had actually gained 4 more. I’ve been pretty strict, and that doesn’t make sense to me.

    Originally posted by jns View Post

    Do you think most of what has came back is due to water (rehydration)?
    I’m unsure of the full explanation, but yes, a lot of it has to be because there’s no way it’s fat. I just don’t understand why I was carrying that much water after I had fasted for 2.5 days. I weigh myself after fasts so that water won’t confuse me.

    Sometimes I just get these fluke weigh-ins where I’m light or heavy, though. Only successive weighings reveal them. Hopefully this was a heavy one.
    "Those sowing seed with tears
    Will reap with a joyful shout." - Psalm 126

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    • Seriously, Stillness! LOL. Cheese is addictive.

      Anyhow, I weighed myself today and my weight has dramatically gone down: I am very pleased. It goes to show not eating cr**p stops the weight gain. Plus, I've been eating normally. I do NOT starve myself: instead I choose healthy options. Yes, it's boring, but necessary. The body needs food to function and maintain bodily processes. Thankfully I eat healthy, homecooked meals every evening. Plus, I do a lot of walking. Sure, I'd like to lose more weight, but that doesn't mean I want to harm my health by not eating anything.

      I'm not having a dig at anyone, but this is my point-of-view.

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      • Originally posted by Stillness View Post

        I weighed myself at 6 pounds heavier the previous week and that was what I expected. I expected to be a pound or two lighter last week, but had actually gained 4 more. I’ve been pretty strict, and that doesn’t make sense to me.



        I’m unsure of the full explanation, but yes, a lot of it has to be because there’s no way it’s fat. I just don’t understand why I was carrying that much water after I had fasted for 2.5 days. I weigh myself after fasts so that water won’t confuse me.

        Sometimes I just get these fluke weigh-ins where I’m light or heavy, though. Only successive weighings reveal them. Hopefully this was a heavy one.
        Several scales that I could never be quite sure of were the reason I bought one of the old fashioned doctor scales, the type with weights that slide and has a folding, extending measuring stick for height measurements. Before, I would weigh myself before doing number 2 and then afterwards. The problem was that I came out 2 pounds heavier afterwards. Simply not possible with a properly working precision weighing instrument. Never had a problem with the doctor scale. Accurate at least to 1/4 pound. If I remember correctly is was a bit less than $200 delivered for peace of mind.
        I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided, and that is the lamp of experience.
        ...
        Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance by lying supinely on our backs and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot?

        From a speech by Patrick Henry on March 23, 1775 at St. John's Church, Richmond, Virginia

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        • Originally posted by Popcorn&Candy View Post
          Sure, I'd like to lose more weight, but that doesn't mean I want to harm my health by not eating anything.

          I'm not having a dig at anyone, but this is my point-of-view.
          I don't take it as it dig. I get that it can be disturbing emotionally and culturally to think of going without food. And I also view it as a fact that we need it for energy. The questions that need to be asked is: What qualifies as eating? Do we have to constantly take in food all day like a hummingbird to survive or even thrive? Or can we store food like a bear and go long stretches without putting more into our mouths?

          It's a fact that we can not only survive, but live very well off of food stored in our bodies. I've done it, P&C. A lot of people have throughout history and up until this very day. That's what body fat is for. Fasting is part of a lot of cultural and religious practice for a reason. Unless you've exhausted fat stores and your body is being forced to break down organs, it improves bodily functions and sharpens the mind. This is not theory or opinion. We're just disconnected from this aspect of our nature because of our historically unprecedented wealth. Thus the epidemic levels of obesity.

          I'm not a fasting advocate, though. Do what works for you. But I'd put the concept that fasting is harmful right along with the one that exercise is. It ignores our physiology, the experience of countless people, and the science that shows it promoting health and longevity.
          "Those sowing seed with tears
          Will reap with a joyful shout." - Psalm 126

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          • Originally posted by jns View Post

            Several scales that I could never be quite sure of were the reason I bought one of the old fashioned doctor scales, the type with weights that slide and has a folding, extending measuring stick for height measurements...If I remember correctly is was a bit less than $200 delivered for peace of mind.
            Not a bad idea. I wonder a lot about how my scale reacts to where it's positioned and temperature and humidity changes.
            "Those sowing seed with tears
            Will reap with a joyful shout." - Psalm 126

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            • I do wonder about the accuracy of scales. How do you tell if they are accurate? I weigh myself daily, just before my shower: just to make sure it is accurate. I seem to go between two weight measurements and never weigh the same every morning. I am not fat but I would like to be lighter.

              I think a lot of people want that, though!

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              • Originally posted by Popcorn&Candy View Post
                I do wonder about the accuracy of scales. How do you tell if they are accurate? I weigh myself daily, just before my shower: just to make sure it is accurate. I seem to go between two weight measurements and never weigh the same every morning. I am not fat but I would like to be lighter.

                I think a lot of people want that, though!
                I guess you could put a measured weight on it to check.

                This is why I try to weigh myself on the same day in the morning and don’t worry too much. As long as the overall trend is down and not up, I try not to sweat it too much. I can also feel how I’m fitting in my clothes and sometimes see it in my face.
                "Those sowing seed with tears
                Will reap with a joyful shout." - Psalm 126

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                • That's good advice, Stillness! I also judge my size and weight on how my clothing is fitting me. Obviously, if they're loose, I have lost weight: you get the gist.

                  When it comes to my diet, I avoid starving myself. Obviously, if someone avoids food they will lose weight. BUT the weight comes back on once normal eating is resumed. And after a few days of little eating, the urge to eat is very strong. You have to trick your brain by letting it have the treats until it is satisfied and then your brain will stop telling you to eat ice cream/cake/whatever is in the fridge. Because - again - the urge to eat is very strong. Anyone who says to you that they never feel hungry are born liars. EVERYONE gets hungry and eats. Those who say they don't are telling porkies.

                  Not to detract from the thread, but that's my contribution for today!

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                  • Originally posted by Popcorn&Candy View Post
                    When it comes to my diet, I avoid starving myself. Obviously, if someone avoids food they will lose weight. BUT the weight comes back on once normal eating is resumed. And after a few days of little eating, the urge to eat is very strong. You have to trick your brain by letting it have the treats until it is satisfied and then your brain will stop telling you to eat ice cream/cake/whatever is in the fridge. Because - again - the urge to eat is very strong. Anyone who says to you that they never feel hungry are born liars. EVERYONE gets hungry and eats. Those who say they don't are telling porkies.

                    Not to detract from the thread, but that's my contribution for today!
                    You’re on topic and I understand how you feel. How would you account for the fact that I’ve used various fasting protocols (juice and smoothie fasting, time restricted eating, and intermittent fasting for days or weeks at a time) for the past two years to lose weight? Not only have I kept the weight off for two years, but I’m continuing to slim down. When does “normal eating” make me fat again? And if a person’s diet has made them obese, is it really normal?

                    I’m not the only one that’s successfully used fasting. My wife is also the slimmest she’s been since she was a teenager. It’s amazing! There are countless testimonies online where you can see before and after pictures and video. This is not theory or just belief.

                    It’s also not “starvation.” When a person is starving, they’ve depleted fat stores and nutrients and are burning through organs. They get sick and start to die. Fasting has improved my health.

                    What you’re talking about is just hunger. Of course I feel hunger and eat. I eat like a king! But my belly no longer controls my life. I lived like that and I was very obese and unsatisfied. When I look at old pictures now it’s shocking. Never again.
                    "Those sowing seed with tears
                    Will reap with a joyful shout." - Psalm 126

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                    • I found your post informative and interesting, Stillness. I wouldn't fast myself, but I see what you're saying. As long as a person isn't starving themselves, but are looking after their nutritional health, then that is something I'd agree with. Unhealthy diet habits [obviously: burgers, chips, takeaways, fry-ups] will gain weight and if after going on a certain diet the old eating habits are resumed, the person will put the weight back on. OK, obvious, but true. I do believe in order to lose weight the person needs to learn new nutritional habits and learn to love eating healthy food. And this would also mean being reassuring about new food habits and not pressuring them to lose it. Pressure tends to send people who want to lose weight back into old habits. Gentle encouragement is better than scaremongering.

                      Anyhow, this is all obvious, but I see what you have said and agree. I wouldn't try fasting myself BUT if it works for other people [you included] then that is their right and I wish them all the best.

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                      • Originally posted by Popcorn&Candy View Post
                        I wouldn't try fasting myself
                        You do it every day, otherwise you’d never truly be able to do breakfast.

                        If you’re like the average American, you probably do it for 10-11 hours every day and eat for 13-14 hours. I basically do it the other way around. It’s why I wore a size 16-1/2 shirt for the first time I ever remember yesterday.
                        "Those sowing seed with tears
                        Will reap with a joyful shout." - Psalm 126

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                        • I have put on a little bit of weight. This is because I was eating chocolate. I now have to ween myself off it. I try to eat less: like a bowl of cereal in the morning, a light sandwich in the afternoon and a healthy homecooked dinner. I don't eat crisps or ice cream. I don't fry my food. I am disappointed in myself for putting on weight. I now eat less but I've never been one to comfort eat.

                          Anyhow, it will come off. And I am preventing further weight gain by not eating the rubbish.

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                          • Originally posted by Popcorn&Candy View Post
                            I have put on a little bit of weight.
                            Me too. I got sick and haven't been following my normal routine.

                            I try not to sweat it too much, though. Whenever I feel like it I can drop the extra weight in a few days.

                            Speaking of cereal, I had gone years without having any. (I'm talking the processed kind with added sugar and puffed grains). Then I went of vacation a couple of months ago and went cereal crazy. I had a ball with it. Then I saw this video about these studies that show that food structure matters. So, even a whole grain cereal spikes insulin more than the in-tact whole grain, so the processed cereal makes you hungrier faster. Even oatmeal (which I eat a lot of) spikes insulin less when it's steel cut versus the quick oats. And peanut butter is less filling than peanuts.

                            I'm now more determined than ever to eat whole, minimally processed foods. I'm still eating chips, ice cream, and pizza though.
                            "Those sowing seed with tears
                            Will reap with a joyful shout." - Psalm 126

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                            • Originally posted by Popcorn&Candy View Post
                              This is because I was eating chocolate.
                              BTW, have you ever tried raw cacao? It's what chocolate is made from. I've had the whole beans and the powder, but my favorite is the nibs.

                              It's extremely bitter, but I put it in my oatmeal or eat it with some dried fruit to get my chocolate fix. It's good for you and less fattening than the stuff with added sugar, fats, and dairy.
                              "Those sowing seed with tears
                              Will reap with a joyful shout." - Psalm 126

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                              • Originally posted by Stillness View Post

                                Me too. I got sick and haven't been following my normal routine.

                                I try not to sweat it too much, though. Whenever I feel like it I can drop the extra weight in a few days.

                                Speaking of cereal, I had gone years without having any. (I'm talking the processed kind with added sugar and puffed grains). Then I went of vacation a couple of months ago and went cereal crazy. I had a ball with it. Then I saw this video about these studies that show that food structure matters. So, even a whole grain cereal spikes insulin more than the in-tact whole grain, so the processed cereal makes you hungrier faster. Even oatmeal (which I eat a lot of) spikes insulin less when it's steel cut versus the quick oats. And peanut butter is less filling than peanuts.

                                I'm now more determined than ever to eat whole, minimally processed foods. I'm still eating chips, ice cream, and pizza though.
                                My experience with processed foods is that they are a likely cause for weight gain even if you are keeping your calories down. Weight gain and blood sugar numbers move in the same direction for diabetics.
                                I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided, and that is the lamp of experience.
                                ...
                                Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance by lying supinely on our backs and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot?

                                From a speech by Patrick Henry on March 23, 1775 at St. John's Church, Richmond, Virginia

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