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  • caster
    Senior Member
    • Mar 2011
    • 174

    Issues

    My wife and I have been together for 30 years. We have no children and are somewhat dependent on each other for companionship, her more so than me as I do have some outside interest beyond our home, and although she is more than welcome to join me and she knows it, she chooses not to participate in them. She has no interests beyond our home.

    In the past 5 years she’s not only been going through menopause but we’ve lost many family members, which has increased her isolation. She claims she prefers to be a loner and doesn’t need many friends or family. Personally I think it’s a way for her to stay in the shadows of life and her own little world rather than embrace and enjoy life, struggles, joys, warts and all.

    Lately she has become more negative and irritable in general. Everything is wrong, needs fixed, I/we need to do this, have to do that, she’ll lay out weeks of projects we need to get done in the next few days, I can’t keep up with her thinking, much less her schedule, nor do I want to. Things get repaired and upkeep gets done when time allows, but no amount of work would satisfy her, she’d just add something else to the list. If I bring this up she’ll go 180 degrees the opposite way, get huffy and say; “I’ll just keep my mouth shut from now on” All I really want is to keep our expectations at a realistic level. I can’t go through life perpetually behind.
    It’s exhausting just to keep up with her project lists, much less get all the stuff done. We both have our own list of regular chores that have to be done as well, add in our real hobbies, fun stuff and lazy days and we only have a limited amount of time for “extra” projects and chores. She’ll also complain we never go anywhere, but when we do she'll stress that “we’re getting behind” and the cycle starts anew.

    All this leads into the another serious issue, lack of intimacy. With the never ending project schedule she’s “too tired” or “not in the mood” or “too busy” to be intimate, and when we are I feel like I have a time slot to perform in which sometimes lead to anxiety to perform on cue.
    She’ll also obsess with watching particular TV shows on certain nights, taping isn’t an option since we tried that and end up with volumes of shows to watch, which she would bring up “every night” that we need to watch a show. We do not watch much TV so it’s not that big a deal to me to miss one, but she gets mad if I lose interest in a show and stop watching it with her after a few episodes. I’d rather be intimate, read a magazine or even get a project done if possible rather than watch a TV show, but I usually sit and watch it with her.

    I really don’t know what to do, we’re more like roommates and I’m the handyman-cook while she’s the housekeeper. Although I couldn’t imagine living life without her we are not a happily married couple at the moment, we’re more like friends and her negative attitude toward everything is taking its toll on our friendship and relationship, she’s starting to notice it and is somewhat aware but snaps at me whenever I try to discuss any solution to it that interferes with the status quo.
    She's never really been one to initiate intimacy and I've accepted that, but to get turned away so much has taken its toll on my esteem.

    Since we have no children I’ve thought about a more open marriage but I don’t think that would go over well, and the consequences could be disastrous, I do not want to lose her but I’d like some real female companionship over a task master, and not just the physical part, but emotional companionship as well. I have no idea how an open marriage works and I don’t know of anyone in one to ask for advice.

    She can’t take hormonal treatments for various health reasons but won’t go see her doctor for options so I try to let a lot of things slide that she says. The simplest thing I’ve asked her to do is just think before she says stuff, if it doesn’t matter or we can’t do anything about it, don’t add it to a “project to do” list, and try to find the positive in life, not everything has to be cynical and negative, she hasn't had a postive additude in a long, long time. She has also started drinking way-way to much wine. It's become her beverage of choice now. Probably 3-5 bottles a week easily.

    It just gets overwhelming listening to her, we’ll be sitting on the back porch enjoying a quiet evening, then she’ll notice the tile needs cleaned, the door needs caulked, what if we did this, add that, a new table, fix the lamp, I need to exercise but it hurts my knees, the pollen is bad tonight and my head is stuffy, there’s something eating the cat’s food, my car needs washed, the fridge is making funny noises, it goes on and on, and that really is her thought process, it’s all random gibberish and it never ends.

    I really think her being isolated is hurting her social and interacting skills. She calls it “making conversation” I call it exhausting to listen to it being rapid fired at you like that. How about we just enjoy the evening with no discussion of housework or projects just once, maybe even be intimate on the sofa on the porch, not come up with a bunch more projects that we can never get done that makes us perpetually behind and causes us both even more anxiety.

    I can't get her to see that we're heading for disaster after 30 years together. Downsizing our life might help but she won't hear of it since we've worked so hard to get everything we have, we should enjoy it. But we're not enjoying it, it's running and ruining our life.
    We're both young enough and fit enough to have fulfilling lives for many years to come, I'd prefer spending those with her, but not like this.
  • Hugo-B
    Veteran Member
    • Jun 2012
    • 957

    It sounds like you can't take much more of this behavior, and I don't blame you one bit.

    I would sit her down when she's sober, and tactfully, but firmly confront her and insist all of the most pressing issues be discussed. It sounds like there is a lot for her to work through. It's not normal for girls not to have friends they can gossip and natter with. There is also no way a healthy man with a functioning libido can be expected to remain in a sexless relationship.

    You need to start communicating with her...
    "The greatest enemy will hide in the last place you will ever look" Julius Caesar

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    • KMonte85
      Veteran Member
      • Oct 2009
      • 3303

      It sounds like your wife doesn't want to hear what you have to say. From your description it seems when you try to explain to her how you feel, she gets defensive.

      I think you need to be completely upfront with her. When she hasn't been drinking, sit her down with no distractions and tell her exactly what you've said here. You love her, but this cycling you've found yourselves in is not working. And not only is it just 'not working', it is SO serious that you're contemplating leaving if there is no improvement to your relationship.

      She has to understand that this isn't just you griping about something, she has to understand that this is you trying to save your marriage.

      I am concerned your wife is suffering from a bit of depression. Of course, I am unable to diagnose such a thing, but she has some symptoms of the disease from your decription of her (moody and irritable, withdraws from social interaction, negative, increased drinking)... I'm not sure if she's willing, but you might want to get her to her general doctor to get a full screen.

      I would also suggest looking into the services of a professional marriage counselor. Often times, they have the ability to help a couple work through their struggles by being a neutral 3rd party, and helping the couple recognize the negative patterns in their lives, so they can work to improve them.

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      • caster
        Senior Member
        • Mar 2011
        • 174

        Thanks for the feedback, I was worried I'd look like a whiner. With only hitting the easiest to discuss parts it looks somewhat like petty concerns when it's typed out.

        I have no doubt she's suffering from depression. She lost her sister and best friend a couple of years ago. Hence the "I don't need anyone" attitude. Afraid she'll get close to someone and lose them too.
        We've always been drinkers but not to this extent, usually weekends it'd be a couple of beers or split a bottle of wine. Now she'll down one on her on in an evening after work, not every night be enough to see a pattern.

        She probably should have gone through grief counseling, I'll bring it up again, never too late. But she really needs to do that on her own, she'd need me to get here there and through it but she really needs to vent it all out on her on. IMO anyway.

        Couples couseling might could be done later, but she has some issue she needs to sort out on her own. I'd prefer to save our marraige, but even wording it like that would mean to her it's failed already. She's that defensive lately.

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        • KMonte85
          Veteran Member
          • Oct 2009
          • 3303

          My condolences for the loss of her sister/best friend. That must have been quite a blow to her. It seems as though she's never really been able to process the loss and move on from it. But she must, you know it and I'm sure she knows it. Grief counseling or any individual counseling would benefit her, it would probably be better for her to do that first, before attending a marriage counselor. Because if her change in behavior is related to depression/grief, a marriage counselor is going to tell her she needs personal attention anyway.

          You know your wife better than anyone. Is there something you can say, or some way to say what you're trying to get across, so that instead of getting defensive, she will hear you and heed your words? Whether that means shocking her with the direct route, or being as gentle and loving as possible in your message, or somewhere inbetween. You know your wife better than anyone - what do you think is the best way to get through to her?

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