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  • moviegurl
    Member
    • Aug 2012
    • 12

    as he just "not that into me" or could he be a commitment phobe?

    I dated an older guy for 6 months. I'm 38; he's 60. He's not some 20-something player. He is losing his hair and uses Cialis. (Didn't matter to me.) He has been divorced for 15 years. That marriage lasted for 19 years. He said he took her for granted and focused too much on their 3 kids. She cheated on him, and he caught her. He has hardly dated for the past 15 years and hasn't been in a relationship, according to him and to my friends who have known him longer than I have.

    He told me we were “made for each other” and that he didn’t believe in fate but would like to when it came to me. He said he never knew sex could be as special as it was with me because it hadn’t been that way with his wife of 19 years. He sent sweet text messages. He wanted to be exclusive and suggested early on we spend our weekends together. We took long walks with his dog, who loved me. And we went to France for a week in May, and I had dinner with him and his parents several times and met his 3 grown children.

    The last few weeks he grew distant. At first, he didn't text as often. I sent him a text, asking if he was ok and telling him I missed hearing from him. He texted 3 hours later, saying he had not been sleeping well and was exhausted from the trip. After that, he stopped texting. I sent him a Facebook message a couple of days later, asking if I had done anything to offend him, and he replied the next day, saying I had not; he had "just been having to sort through some things."

    After ignoring him for a few days, I received an e-mail from him early Monday morning. I guess this is a break-up letter? Here's his e-mail:

    "I don't know what the right forum is for this, or whether it is just better to say nothing at all, but my feelings about my relationship with you are complicated. I'm not seeing anyone else, and that's not an issue, and I'm not upset about anything that you've done, but I began to examine what was going on between us, and it seemed clear to me that you were bringing a lot more emotion and passion into the relationship than I was. This wasn't anything intentionally deceitful on my part, it just was the emotional hand I was dealt. But, I began to feel a little uncomfortable with this, maybe a crisis of conscience, but it didn't really seem fair or right to you.

    "As I'm writing this, I think maybe I need to have my head examined, for you're a beautiful lady, smart, interesting, we have so many things in common -- I couldn't go to the drawing board and some up with a more ideal woman. And the sex -- that's been pretty incredible. The time I have spent with you has been wonderful.

    "But, something was missing for me. Why, I don't know. I'm not sure I can explain the reasons. I'm not sure if it had to do with the fact that I hadn't really had a real relationship in 15 years and the thought of it still kinda scares the **** out of me, if I'd kinda gotten set in my ways during this time, if it's that I was having a hard time opening after my divorce (I know I have a problem with this; defense mechanism, I guess). It's certainly nothing you did or didn't do. All I know is this is what I'm feeling, and it has been troubling me.

    "I certainly don't relish hurting you -- I'm sorry about that -- but I haven't really known how to address this issue, and I didn't think things needed to go on as they were. I guess maybe it would be better to address these issues in person, rather than by e-mail, but I'm not sure I could remember all this if we were talking in person and things got emotional. I told you this was complicated; at least it is for me. I don't know whether addressing these issues like this makes you feel better or worse, but I'm hoping trying to explain things will be better in the long run. I do think you are a special person."

    In the middle of the day Monday, when I hadn't responded, he sent me another e-mail, saying, "For what it's worth, you did look beautiful Saturday night." (We saw each other at a musical event in our small town but did not speak because of the awkwardness.)

    I sent him an e-mail Tuesday, asking, "So where do we go from here?" He responded last night (Thursday): “Don’t know right now.”

    I'm beginning to think commitment phobia may have been the problem. He seemed really "into me" for almost 6 months. And now he feels as if his "emotional barriers" might have been the problem, but, at any rate, his feelings are "complicated."

    Looking back, I see some red flags. He told me that during his childhood years, his father (who's now 85, with whom he seems to have an amicable relationship, and who has been very sweet to me) was very hardened. He was a doctor who worked long hours, and this man felt like he was never good enough for his father or that sometimes his father didn't even want him around. He dated his ex-wife for 7 years before they married. He said he was an indecisive person, and it was really hard to get into that relationship and then really hard to get out when it broke apart. When their first son was born 29 years ago, he had a really hard time dealing with the commitment and suffered from anxiety. Of course, he hasn't had a "real relationship" for 15 years, but he did tell me that the women in whom he got interested were usually "inappropriate" for him: "gum-smacking waitress types" with whom he nothing in common and it usually wouldn't work out.

    Still, I find it hard to understand why someone seem so invested and affectionate for the first five or six months and then turn so quickly. So was he just not “into me” after all, or does he sound like a potential commitment phobe?
  • moviegurl
    Member
    • Aug 2012
    • 12

    Sorry title is wrong: Was he just "not that into me" or could he be a commitment phobe?

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    • Hugo-B
      Veteran Member
      • Jun 2012
      • 957

      Based on what you've shared here I would say this is more about him and his issues than you or anything you've done.

      My guess would be that this very articulate man was - on top of his childhood issues - hurt quite badly by the break up of his marriage and is consequently loath to 'let anyone back in'.

      This probably why he constantly chose the type of women who were inappropriate for him, because there would be no danger of him having to go the distance with them. The people I know who've spent protracted periods of time single after divorces tend to become more and more set in their own ways and appear to grow quite accustomed to being alone, this man sounds like one of those people. At the age of 60 I'd doubt very much that he is going to change his ways anytime soon, sorry.

      In answer to your question I think he wouldn't let him-self 'get into you', so yes, I suppose that makes him some kind of commitment phoebe.
      "The greatest enemy will hide in the last place you will ever look" Julius Caesar

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      • Hugo-B
        Veteran Member
        • Jun 2012
        • 957

        Just to add: I'm sorry to hear about what's happened. It's hard to find someone that you're compatible with to love, and most importantly, who'll love you back. I know from experience what its like to meet someone, hit it off with them, making it past the three month mark - only to find - when you think that you're 'out of the woods' that they want to pull the plug on the whole thing. What makes it worse is when you don't see it coming, and why would you when everything is going (outwardly) well? I didn't when it happened to me.

        Stillness gave the best advice regarding these situations and stated that it's probably best NOT to know all of the reasons why people choose to end relationships with us. All you need to understand, IMHO, is that when someone doesn't want to be with us (for whatever reason/s), that one choice alone dictates that they are NOT the right person for us.

        In any interaction involving another person we are unable to control (completely, although we can of course influence) the outcome. Relationships are a contact sport, sometimes people get hurt and suffer career ending defeats, others pick themselves up, recover and manage to make a comeback. YOur ex sounds like he fell into the former category, you need to make sure you are one of the latter. Don't let his decision make you give up hope of finding your soulmate. Men are often A-holes, and I'm no exception.

        This guy likely resisted his feelings for the first few months as they escalated and cut you off when he did as he felt himself becoming more 'emotionally invested'.

        Do your best to forget him, play 'boo hoo, what do I do?' for a few weeks. Eat ice cream and let your friends comfort you, I'm sure they owe you. Then it's just a matter of 'NEXT'!

        Good luck x
        "The greatest enemy will hide in the last place you will ever look" Julius Caesar

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        • jns
          Assistant Admin
          • Mar 2010
          • 8398

          moviegurl, you are at a crossroads. I believe most of what bb said is true, maybe all of it. If you want to continue to pursue him, you will have to stay the course until he rejects you, he accepts you or you get tired of it. Persistence has it's benefits, but it also has it's costs. With persistence, you may get him to commit again. A major cost is the amount of time committed. With his previous short relationships, the ladies probably didn't pursue long enough or the right way to get him to open up again. You may be able to get him to talk about that. Its a shame that he is not a "darn the torpedoes, full steam ahead" type of guy, at least with you.
          I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided, and that is the lamp of experience.
          ...
          Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance by lying supinely on our backs and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot?

          From a speech by Patrick Henry on March 23, 1775 at St. John's Church, Richmond, Virginia

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          • moviegurl
            Member
            • Aug 2012
            • 12

            Well, I know from Facebook that he went ALONE to visit his older son this weekend 3 hours away to go to a concert. I sent a message to his son's girlfriend wishing her a happy birthday and explaining, why for the first time in 6 months, I wasn't with him. The following was the gist of her reply. By the way, his son's 29, and he and his girlfriend have been living together over a year:


            "We were curious as to what was going on, because we had thought you were pretty perfect for him, too. We were afraid to ask when he was in town though.


            "I don't know him all that well, so I don't know what--if anything--I could suggest, but I will tell you that I went through the EXACT same thing with (his son) (6 months in, too--nuts, huh?). He even went so far as to start seeing someone else just because he was that scared of the thought of "being in a relationship." Once I cut him out of my life, though, he realized he was being ridiculous and made a commitment to work on it. It was a rough first year, and we've even seen a counselor in the past, but everything has been great since then."


            Of course, he is 30 years older and probably more set in his ways. At any rather, the "like father, like son" aspect is interesting.

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            • jns
              Assistant Admin
              • Mar 2010
              • 8398

              With some people its "you don't know what you've got 'til its gone" (Thank you Joni Mitchell in "Big Yellow Taxi").
              I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided, and that is the lamp of experience.
              ...
              Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance by lying supinely on our backs and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot?

              From a speech by Patrick Henry on March 23, 1775 at St. John's Church, Richmond, Virginia

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              • moviegurl
                Member
                • Aug 2012
                • 12

                Ok, I'm moving on, but I had to share this item. A mutual friend found out tonight that we weren't seeing each other. He and I had attended a party this summer at her house. Here is what she said:

                He's a hard one to keep, from my observation. We've had lots of talks over the years - but then again, not in several years. When we all used to go to happy hour at (local bar) every Friday, I enjoyed sitting beside him, getting to talk to him. I used to tease him about finding somebody. I used to think he was just shy and maybe lacked confidence. I think he told you the God's honest truth in his message. For whatever the reason, he just won't stick. I do NOT think he's some kind of player, and wouldn't hurt you for anything. Seems like he's scared to find a good person. Some friends have theorized that he never got over his wife. I have no idea about that, but I sensed that he has felt a lot of guilt about the divorce, regarding his kids. Yrs ago, somebody I used to know called me up and begged me to fix her up with him. She is a great person, professional, nice looking, etc. Well, I told her I'd try, but didn't give her much hope because he is NOT a candidate for a blind date. At first he chuckled and said no thanks, but later asked a few questions and eventually agreed to talk to her. They did go out a few times, then he just quit being interested, according to her. She said he was nice, complimentary, seemed to have a good time, great conversationalist, comical, everything you might say about him, and she didn't understand what went wrong. Sound familiar? I don't know what to tell you except I'm sorry it didn't work out (so far. Who knows?) I think you are wise to move on, although I think you would have been great for him. You'd bring some fun into his life. Keep me posted.

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                • CHANDLERS WISH
                  • Mar 2008
                  • 22440

                  From what I can gather it's been a couple of weeks.

                  You're "now" question from the other thread closed as they are simular is how to mainly get the books back.

                  JNS offers some thoughts there.

                  But, he could be contemplating whether to speak with you or not and try again and so the books are closure.

                  Hang about and don't contact him for 3 weeks and see what happens.

                  If nothing, then ask his son's girlfriend to casually mention that you would like them back now, as they have meaning to you...

                  CW
                  PUT A LITTLE 'LIKE' IN MY SOUL!

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                  • moviegurl
                    Member
                    • Aug 2012
                    • 12

                    Originally posted by CHANDLERS WISH
                    From what I can gather it's been a couple of weeks.

                    Your "now" question from the other thread closed as they are similar is how to mainly get the books back.

                    JNS offers some thoughts there.

                    But, he could be contemplating whether to speak with you or not and try again and so the books are closure.

                    Hang about and don't contact him for 3 weeks and see what happens.

                    If nothing, then ask his son's girlfriend to casually mention that you would like them back now, as they have meaning to you...

                    CW
                    Thanks. I will try the 3-week approach. The "son's girlfriend" part won't work, though, since she lives 3 hours away, and they don't communicate that much.

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