[Motorguy]

This I have no worries about, I practice what I preach and I preach it to my children/family/friends as well, so if a child of mine were to have an issue I'd be there for them and we'd go over the communications issue again. My older daughter is actually dating her first guy, until she met him she was women only and the 1st girl, UGH! I was terribly happy when they finally broke it off permanently. She's in another state and always on the go so we don't get to chat much lately but her current relationship is going well and she's never had a problem calling me to talk if she wants/needs advice. For my little one I actually plan on using the Nina Hartly book introduction as her sex ed. She's already fascinated by anatomy and we have a ton of anatomy books which we'll go into details with when the time comes. Until and unless I can get her in a Subury type school we're home/unschooling. I treat my daughters like people not children (well 98% of the time) and I talk to them like I would any other person, I may tailor my language so that they'll better understand but I don't gloss over or dumb-down any subject wish more that comes up.

Very well said Trix that is real parenting excellent. I wish more parents did this, we probably have less problem with our youth in this country cheers to you. : )

[Claret]

I just read this entire thread, all 9 pages of it. I've tried to logically look at everyone's point of view and here is what I see. There doesn't really seem to be a belief that man X can call up woman Y for the sole purpose of sex. Most here believe that there should be at least a modicum of interaction: a sense of liking each other. It appears as well that most would want additional interaction, going out for dinner, to a show, having a tv night, something other than just pure sex. I can just picture in my mind the following scenario. Phone rings, woman Y picks up the phone to hear, "hey I'm horney, can I come over for a 1/2 hour? I promise I won't be longer than that." and I can't imagine woman Y saying yes, unless she gets something for her trouble or at least thinks she'll get something for her trouble.

IMO If man X can't be bothered to provide at least something in addition to sex, why doesn't he simply get a call-girl with no strings attached and no expectation of anything other than an exchange of money?

The other scenario that I can see, played out in it's various forms, is man X walks into a bar, is introduced to women Y and they hit it off. They decide to take it further and head out to one or the others residence or even a hotel and the next morning they both go their separate ways. Here, there is no expectation of anything further unless one of the two parties is looking for a relationship. But at the time they each invested at least a portion of themselves for that short period of time prior to the sex.

To me at least, there seems to be a world of a difference between the two cases.

[Trixareforkids]

I just read this entire thread, all 9 pages of it. I've tried to logically look at everyone's point of view and here is what I see. There doesn't really seem to be a belief that man X can call up woman Y for the sole purpose of sex. Most here believe that there should be at least a modicum of interaction: a sense of liking each other. It appears as well that most would want additional interaction, going out for dinner, to a show, having a tv night, something other than just pure sex. I can just picture in my mind the following scenario. Phone rings, woman Y picks up the phone to hear, "hey I'm horney, can I come over for a 1/2 hour? I promise I won't be longer than that." and I can't imagine woman Y saying yes, unless she gets something for her trouble or at least thinks she'll get something for her trouble.

IMO If man X can't be bothered to provide at least something in addition to sex, why doesn't he simply get a call-girl with no strings attached and no expectation of anything other than an exchange of money?

The other scenario that I can see, played out in it's various forms, is man X walks into a bar, is introduced to women Y and they hit it off. They decide to take it further and head out to one or the others residence or even a hotel and the next morning they both go their separate ways. Here, there is no expectation of anything further unless one of the two parties is looking for a relationship. But at the time they each invested at least a portion of themselves for that short period of time prior to the sex.

To me at least, there seems to be a world of a difference between the two cases.

LOL, it might be in your phrasing. Your phrasing seems to assume that 1) woman Y didn't enjoy the 1st go round and 2) that man X doesn't care about woman Y's pleasure as much as his own. I wanna take a go scenario #1 but with the assumption that scenario #2 has happened and they exchanged phone numbers.

Man X calls up Woman Y and says "That was great fun last week. I've got at least a couple hours to spend, would you like another go?"