[Little]

Ooh, I love my boyfriend in a T-shirt and shorts. Why? Because I love him, who he is, ... oh, and completely selfishly, T-shirts are very comfortable for snuggling.
Penis size has nothing to do with anything ... but then again you don't know what to do with it yet. [To make you feel better, it doesn't matter if you're hung like a donkey when you first start out; NOBODY knows what to do to begin with.]
Don't worry so much. Some girl out there is feeling the same way you do, and when you meet her, you'll both be glad you're virgins and can learn with each other, specialized to each other. You won't have any "bad habits."

[CHANDLERS WISH]

Little
Ooh, I love my boyfriend in a T-shirt and shorts. Why? Because I love him, who he is, ... oh, and completely selfishly, T-shirts are very comfortable for snuggling.

Originally, i loved my ex-husband to, didn't matter what he wore either, that was him and i admire people being totally themselves, why shouldn't they.

However, to court me? If he'd tried in a tank top and board shorts multi coloured may i add, non colour co-ordinated as well, lol, no way...

Our first date, he wore a pair of jeans, a black long sleeve shirt, rolled up at the sleeves, a bit of jewelery and looked hot...

Don't think i would have hung around on a "first date" if he arrived in his shorts and t-shirt though, i would have thought WT? Great, really trying to impress me..

Superficial? Na.... First 30 seconds rule i reckon still counts.

But, agree once in a relationship, it was cute, fought over them when we went out to dinner etc, though, no, must not wear them then... lol..

Well?

Oh and Jonny, we don't expect expensive clothes on a man, just like you may like to see a lady in high heels, a nice dress, we like to see a man i guess just making an effort to "impress" a bit... as well.. we do...

[jonny]

Ooh, I love my boyfriend in a T-shirt and shorts. Why? Because I love him, who he is, ... oh, and completely selfishly, T-shirts are very comfortable for snuggling.

That sounds great. -__-

but then again you don't know what to do with it yet.

Well....I do know where to put it. LOL!

[To make you feel better, it doesn't matter if you're hung like a donkey when you first start out; NOBODY knows what to do to begin with.]

I like the way you think on it. I just get worried that i will meet the wrong girl. Getting laughed at. Or lord knows what else would hurt alot.

Don't worry so much. Some girl out there is feeling the same way you do, and when you meet her, you'll both be glad you're virgins and can learn with each other, specialized to each other. You won't have any "bad habits."

Well a virgin female would without a doubt lower her expectations. But she doesn't have to be a virgin.

A pulse would be a good start.

lol

Oh god NO!!!!!!!!! You sound like my ex-husband, tank top and board shorts...even in winter, lol..

That is my cool style.

Ok it may not be cool. But it feels soooo goood.

[QUOTE]Not very um, appealing to a woman... [QUOTE]

So i have noticed.

Start a new thread... "How does a woman like a man to dress?"......

Or, what do women find appealing about a man, in his dress, hair etc.

Maybe I will do that.

I have a crappy ceasar cut. Had that one for a good dozen years.

First thing that crops to my mind, nice jeans that show his butt...
for-instance, then you'll get all the tips from "women" that you need, to then assist in "finding a woman", and not be rather "confused"...

CW

Sounds like tight jeans. I hate tight clothes.

I'm not skinny. I got me a few extra pounds.

Tho I do have a washboard stomach.

It just has some laughdry currently on it.

[Autumn_Daffodil]

Tho I do have a washboard stomach.

It just has some laughdry currently on it.

You're pretty much hilarious, by the way. I think the best thing you can do is to get to know a girl, and show off that amazing sense of humor you have. Just get comfortable and open up; you'd be surprised at how far that can get you. I used to be terrified around guys, but I opened up a little bit, let my personality shine through, and I finally caught the attention of the man I was after.

As far as the clothes are concerned, you shouldn't worry too much about it. A woman should like you for who you are, and not for what you wear. I'm a firm believer in the saying "You shouldn't judge a book by it's cover." However, there are little things you can do to make your appearance stand out and make it look like you made an effort. If you don't already, I would suggest ironing your clothes--it'll do wonders!

Also, if it's not too much, you should try to find a shirt with a collar that buttons up the front. I'm not suggesting that you go all "businessman" on us--far from it! I remember one day that walked in the door to my boyfriend's apartment, and I when saw him I just stopped and stared; he looked GOOD! But you know, he didn't do much different (he's a shorts and T-shirt kinda guy too). He was wearing his khaki shorts as usual, but with a lightweight, cotton, short-sleeved, button-up, plaid shirt! They're inexpensive (you could probably find one at Target/Wal-mart for around $15), and they look great.

I dunno... it must be the collar that does it. Or the buttons! Just the thought of taking that shirt off him, one button at a time, sets my imagination in motion!

[CHANDLERS WISH]

Autumn Daffodil
You're pretty much hilarious, by the way. I think the best thing you can do is to get to know a girl, and show off that amazing sense of humor you have.

I second that... The thing i love most about a guy? His sense of humor...

[ChelseaRenee]

I happen to like boys with a a few extra loads of laundry...haha. Don't be so down on yourself. Seriously. You remind me so much of my boyfriend. At the time we began dating, I was his first EVERYTHING and he was so insecure. As time passed, he came to realize that I meant it when I said he was sexy in his paint stained basketball shorts and scruffy t-shirt, and that I really did want him because I found his shy nerdiness appealing. My point is, that some girl is going to find everything about you totally, completely, and 100% irresistible one day. Guaranteed. She won't find that fact that you're a virgin creepy (I don't see why anyone would...), and in all likelihood it will make her feel like a freakin' PRINCESS that you chose her, of all women, to share that with.

[CHANDLERS WISH]

Chelsea Renee
and in all likelihood it will make her feel like a freakin' PRINCESS that you chose her, of all women, to share that with.

Whooo Hooo... so true..

[jonny]

Sorry but on this post i'm not gonna quote. I am having problems getting the post to go through.


Getting comfortable and opening up is very hard to do. I get very nervous and just shut down.

I have no idea what to say.

The dates I have been on were awful. We didn't really talk. And it was uncomfortable. lol

And i don't think I have ever ironed my clothes. lol


I'm hopin she doesn't think the virgin thing is creepy. But people are judgemental.

That and most would probably assume it is my choice. And when they find out it isn't. Then i become there weird guy that can't get laid.

I really have no idea how guys get lucky. lmao

O, and what do you think of guys that don't have perfect teeth. I always here that a great smile and great teeth are a turn on.

i have neither.

[anonymouswhitefemale]

OK, I'm a guy so you're not really getting a womans advice here, but I think I know the score a bit.

As for you being 25 and a virgin.... Depending on where you are that's not really a big deal - sure it's not something you want to shout about to your friends - but there are more like you... You just don't know because they aren't shouting about it either. As for meeting that girl, and telling her you're a virgin - sure it'll probably be a bit uncomfortable for a bit... Don't tell her she's the first thing with a pulse you could trick into bed, just talk some rubbish about nothing ever worked out with the women that interested you, and even if it's a lie, say that you turned down a couple of women in the past, say that some drunk girl was all over you because she basically wanted a shag, and that you found that unattractive and not what you wanted your first time to be. This, instead of making her think that you're not at all confident (chicks dig confidence almost more than anything else), will make her think that you have standards, and that she's passed them, so she'll feel honoured. Unless she's a b1tch, in which case it doesn't really matter what she says, just kick her out of bed and move on with your life - people who would act nasty are simply not worth the time of day worrying about. Besides, kicking someone out would give you a bit of a power trip and build some confidence anyway.

Penis size wise (ryhmes), there are crappy lovers with large wangs out there, and great ones with tiny ones (which yours isn't). A lot of the girls that go on about penis size are also not really worth knowing about, just sl4gs mostly. However, all women are different sizes inside, just like men are outside, it's about finding a match. I'm roughly average size but my ex was small, so even that intimidated her a bit. Just work with your hands, and tongue, and she'll know it's your first time so you'll have to leeway to explore and learn as you go along. Perhaps it might be worth doing some research into techniques for foreplay etc. in preparation, but she should let you know what's good and what's not, so just listen. Try variations to see if it creates more pleasure or less, build yourself a road map blah blah blah. If all else fails get an oriental girlfriend, you'll look like a beast to her anyway.

OK, onto presentation. I used to put no effort into the way I dressed, but I realised that I expect a woman to dress herself up to attract me, so it would be hypocritical (or just not very intelligent) for me not to do the same. It's practically no effort, and the potential benefits are enough to make justify it. Poorly fitting jeans and a t-shirt basically say "I'm a kid and I live with my mum"... It's like you haven't found yourself yet, you're just floating along through life without goals, aspirations, or self worth. Which may or may not be true - but anyway it's about controlling the impression you give off. Get some trousers that FIT, preferably colourful (I admit I'm getting a bit personalised here), I find that if you wear some purple, red, rainbow coloured trousers, girls will respect you for it for a number of reasons: you've got the manliness to not care about looking like a bit of a fag, which makes you straighter and smarter than the guys that do care. Also, you'll get women trying to swap trousers with you and stuff, and hey if nothing else it's a conversation topic (which they will probably start so you don't have to think about anything). But if you don't want to go the colourful route, a good fit is still relatively essential, don't wear a chain from your wallet to your trousers, that's LAME. At least wear deoderant, and maybe even some aftershave, and personally, I think it's really lame, but I lower myself to doing it simply to have a bit more cheese in the trap. As for tops, don't go too smart, but an old ripped t-shirt isn't the best look (UNLESS you are pulling the working man image, trousers and t-shirt with some paint on them, makes you look like a handiman so you could be the builder they seduce or something (it's all about mind games really)_). Get a stylish shirt or two, not white, maybe black, dark green, purple (again) etc etc. If it looks to smart, put a jumper over it, so you just see the collar... It'll look like even though you're dressing up for an occasion, you still take pride in yourself as a human being - it puts your "worth" far higher than otherwise. As for this stuff being expensive, you really can find good clothes pretty cheaply. My favourite trousers cost £1 (girls trousers btw - purple chords ). I haven't done so yet, but I'm keeping my eyes open for a cool necklace too, not like some lame tiger tooth on a string or something, but something actually interesting, probably ethinic, and maybe even a wristband of some sort. Honestly, you can use the clothes you wear to dominate people. Which brings us onto the next paragraph-

PSYSCHOLOGY. Now, there are obviously alternate schools of thought, the first being "be yourself". I find that this is rubbish advice, at least unless you change it significantly. It's like when you ask a woman what she wants in a man, she will give a list of things she thinks she should want in a man - good sense of humour, kind, supportive etc. but they rarely have that in their man. A perhaps more relevent course of action would be to learn and manipulate the alpha-male heirarchy, and a lot of this is in your attitude. Do NOT walk around looking at the floor with a hunched back, nothing says impotence (not necessarily sexual) like that. Keep your head high, look down on the room, show your full height. It also shows that you aren't afraid, that you're comfortable, and that you have some element of power over your surroundings. Don't feel like you need to strive for peoples acceptance, be aware of the force in the world that is you, and people have to recognise it. Obviously I'm not saying punch some guy, pick up your girl and drag her back to your cave (although it's arguable just how poor this approach would be) - girls like an alpha male, whether they admit it or not (even to themselves), they want a man who affects their surroundings, who projects their path through them. Value yourself and women will come. You could always read about "the ladder theory", it's a very cynical, and insightful overview. As for not knowing what to say, if you don't - then just play like the quiet type. It's better to keep your mouth closed and be assumed an 1diot, than to open your mouth and confirm it. Women love to talk, I think statistically women say twice as many words as a man in an average day, and they also love good listeners. Ask her a question about herself, ask her to tell you a story or whatever, then just sit back and nod as if you actually care what she's talking about, asking the odd relevent incisive question. If one of you's going to be uncomfortable about not talking, make it her.

Err, right, bad teeth. Well, if you're teeth are terrible, at least get them a bit cleaned up - get a dentist to clean them, use whitening tooth paste. If they're really bad, then it might be worth getting some orthodontric work done, which might involve braces, but only if you feel like it cripples your self confidence. I know a lot of girls that don't trust a man with perfect teeth - teeth show character.

OK, that turned out to be a bit of an essay, so you BETTER APPRECIATE IT!

[Happy1]

That really was an essay! I agree with the majority of it. Skimmed over most of the posts and didnt see anything about ambition. I like it when a guy goes after what he wants, career, education, women, whatever it may be. If you want something bad enough, you will do what it takes to get there (short of jeopardizing your values)

I would also like to point out that in the US atleast, and even more so in your area Jonny, brightly colored pants MAY not be the best idea.

Just an idea...but it takes all kinds.