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  • november
    Junior Member
    • Nov 2009
    • 7

    Grieving and friendships- where are my friends?

    I'm 23 and I lost my mother two years ago to ALS. When I was 10 she had a brain stroke and somehow came out of it with few problems. Because of that, I had a sometimes crippling fear of losing her, so when we found out her diagnoses, I went through some very intense pre-grieving, to a point where I became very ill. During the time my mum was most ill, it was heart-warming to see all our friends and relatives reach out to her. My close group of friends were always there if I needed them, but they also gave me my space as well if I asked.
    I continued to receive support for a month or two after my mum passed away. And then suddenly, it was radio silence. I was aware that I was receiving more attention during that time, so I prepared myself to not expect more than a small fraction of that support. I've been dissapointed by friendships in the past, so I knew that there was only a small group of friends that I could turn to.

    The problem was that suddenly no one contacted me. I didn't let it get to me, though I did think it strange, and I went out of my way to contact them instead. Our interactions, for the most part, were pretty normal. I didn't sense anything uncomfortable. I assumed I was hearing from them less because I had moved back home away from my university town- it is only a 35 minute drive between my home and campus but it does make it harder to see each other. I kept on telling that to myself, but it grew to bother me over time. I reached out to two of my friends and I told them my feelings. I was clear that I wasn't angry with them, I was just confused and telling them my own perception of things. I told them that I knew I was in an emotionally vulnerable place so it was likely that I was reading into things too much, that I really just wanted to feel acknowledged and not forgotten. Things went well for the next few months with those two friends, but then it tapered off again until it was nothing. I would still think of them and let then know (ex. read an article or see a funny image and I would send it to them with a little blurb of my own) quite frequently. Even something small like that would have felt nice to recieve- it makes you feel like people are thinking about you, even if it's just a small gesture.

    By the following year, my friends graduated university together, so I knew that I was also feeling sad about missing out on that experience with them as well, which could effect my perceptions. Two of my friends sent me small birthday gifts, but what I really wanted was a card or to see them in person. I commuted down to my university town a few times to visit, but it was never reciprocated even though several of them were from my same hometown and had cars, unlike myself.

    I definitely felt hurt, but I also still wanted to give my friends the benefit of the doubt. They all had jobs now, and several of them were in long-term relationships (both partners being close friends of mine from uni as well). When I was ready to go back to school, I was excited by the prospect that I would now be close to my friends again, even though I was still in school and they were now in their 'adult' lives. I was dissapointed again, but at least I visited them a few times.

    I went home for the summer break and I heard nothing from my friends for the four months I was at home. I found out later that some had made regular visits into our hometown for visiting other friends, but I was never told with one exception at the end of the summer, where I got to see one of my friends for only a brief visit. Two of my friends were actually living back at home and I only saw one of them once. I used to live within walking distance to most of my friends houses in high school, but my family had to move to a home we could convert into a handicap-friendly residence in another part of town. Several of my friends lived within 10 houses from me at my old home- surely if I still lived there and they were home or having a get together with our mutual friends, I would also be invited. Why is it so different now that I live 15 minutes away?

    Now I'm back at school again and all of my efforts to reach out to my friends have been futile- there's always a commitment, and they never suggest a different time they're free. My best friend has a job on campus this semester so I went to visit her during her lunch break. No hug, in fact there was almost no excitement on her part. She did say she was very tired....We made plans that were cancelled several times. Finally we arranged a night that would work. I had mentioned to her that I was seeing a new grief counsellor and that I might need to talk to her in case I went through a bad downward spiral. My friend said it wouldn't be a problem. A few days later, I got a message asking if it would be alright if we just met up for dinner because she got free tickets to a play that same night and wanted to go. I told her that we should just do lunch again the next day instead of trying to have a hurried dinner that night. When I asked her how the play was the next day, she told me how it was just a student-run production that her friend had mentioned to her- that she didn't even know what it was about before going and that it was unsurprisingly quite bad. Apparently it was more important than our evening together.

    How is it that all of my friendships have simultaneously combusted? Are people THAT uncomfortable with death that they're willing to be insensitive friends? My dad believes that I have always been too empathetic with people to a point where it's now causing me to be so affected by my friendships, or lack thereof.

    I spoke to two different grief counsellors who said that it was actually common to feel this way about friendships while grieving. I just didn't realize that every single one of my friendships would be so affected. I know the difference between those friendships you know only occurred because you were the same age living on the same block going to the same schools. But then there are those few special friendships that seem unbreakable- those friendships you believe will be there during a difficult time.

    The strange thing that has come out of this is that I now realize we can only depend on ourselves. I used to really dislike myself, but I've grown to love who I am and what I believe in. But I still feel lonely and abandoned. I can't speak for all of my friends, but I doubt they are consciously abandoning our friendship. They are better people than that. But it still feels like abandonment.

    Has anyone who has gone through an extremely difficult emotional situation had a similar experience? What did you do?
  • atskitty2
    Assistant Admin
    • Aug 2013
    • 4467

    What kinds of things do you talk about on those occasions that you've met up with these friends over the last 12-18 months or so? What activities are you involved with and what do you do with the friends you meet up with on those occasions.
    Are you able to have discussions about anything other than the grief you experience and the pain you feel?

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    • jns
      Assistant Admin
      • Mar 2010
      • 8398

      Friendships are built and nurtured by doing things together that the friends like. There is always a break in friendships when completing high school and college. As you continue to go forward in life, you should continue to make new friends. Friends that you no longer enjoy time together with will fade away.

      Your college friends are trying to make a go of it working. Some have found partners. They are trying to make their finances work. Some have probably moved back home. Because of your delay in graduating, you are out of sync with them.

      At 31 years out of college, I no longer have any close friends from high school or college. I have a friend that I used to hang out all of the time with 20 to 30 years ago that I see once in a while. We reconnected several years ago. A friend of 18 years died more than 2 years ago. I wish she was still around as we did a lot of fun things together over the years. I've added a lot of casual friends over the last two years, but no close friends. I still have brothers and a sister, my mother and father and other relatives on both my side and my wife's side. I would say that my situation is fairly normal.

      If you want friends in your life, reach out to them and find common ground. Maybe go on shopping trips, go out to eat or get ice cream, go to the movies, etc. Later in life consider traveling together. Don't try too hard.

      IMO, bringing up the death of your mother will sour the conversation, so only talk about it if they bring it up. Even then, limit what you say unless they seem really interested. Death always makes people see their own mortality and it might not be a subject for fun conversation.
      I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided, and that is the lamp of experience.
      ...
      Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance by lying supinely on our backs and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot?

      From a speech by Patrick Henry on March 23, 1775 at St. John's Church, Richmond, Virginia

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      • november
        Junior Member
        • Nov 2009
        • 7

        My friends and I have rarely talked about the grief I'm experiencing, with the exception of my closest friend who I grew up with. If they've asked me how I'm doing, I mention what's new (ie. if I'm seeing a new grief counsellor, if I'm feeling okay), but I don't bring it up otherwise. Usually I'm meeting up with a small group of my mutual friends, we have a casual potluck and play board games, go out to a restaurant. One on one time with any of my friends has been essentially non-existent as much as I would prefer one-on-one. We usually focus on them, not much is asked about me.

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        • november
          Junior Member
          • Nov 2009
          • 7

          That's the thing...I don't bring it up. Like I said, I've mentioned how I'm feeling if they ask, but otherwise, I haven't bought it up, and I certainly don't go into detail. I know we live in a privileged society and not a lot of people my age have experienced loss.
          And I totally understand how friendships evolve and people move on- I saw it after high school, and I knew it would happen with most of my uni friends. But my uni friends are mostly mutual, and they still see each other. Two of my close friends didn't know each other and I thought they would be a great couple, and I was the one responsible for them meeting each other 5 years ago and now they are engaged. We're all sort of connected like that. I know that I have to let myself be vulnerable with new people, but on top of the loss I'm feeling with my mum, I feel a loss of all my friends as well, seemingly all at once. My closest friend, the one I thought would be there through thick and thin, still makes an effort to see our old mutual friends from high school even though that was almost 7 years ago but less of an effort to see me. I understand that people move on and you make friends with people in similar life situations. I don't want to be naive about that. I was prepared for that reality.

          I want to know about potentially similar experiences people have had with their friendships when they have gone through a difficult emotional period, be it loss, a turbulent divorce, etc...I want to know what they did that either bettered or worsened the situation, if they did anything at all.
          I appreciate the words of wisdom, and I know that all relationships are two sided, but I think I'm looking for words that deal specifically with friendships during difficult times. I know that part of it is in my hands- that I might need to reach out more, but I'm losing the motivation to do that when there is no reciprocation.

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          • atskitty2
            Assistant Admin
            • Aug 2013
            • 4467

            If there is no reciprocity then you have your answer.

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            • CHANDLERS WISH
              • Mar 2008
              • 22440

              You mention that your lives are totally different now.

              You with school, them with jobs/boyfriends.

              It's a totally different environment and one whereby you change dramatically "from being at school".

              It's possible that they have moved on in life and are leaving behind those that they feel don't "fit in", to their lives anymore.

              It's not a nice feeling but it's reality.

              We constantly make new friends in life. We also change. And, in that sometimes, those we classed as friends were merely acquaintances.

              Throughout your life you will gain many new friends and you will lose them. But, you will also maintain one here, one there and towards the end of your life, you will find you have a few very close friends that have remained always in your life, as they love you for you, accept you for you and visa versa...

              It's a bond. Much like any relationship that remains..

              Start making new friends and understand that not all will remain in your life forever .

              Your best friend, is yourself.
              PUT A LITTLE 'LIKE' IN MY SOUL!

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              • november
                Junior Member
                • Nov 2009
                • 7

                Like I've said:

                "I understand that people move on and you make friends with people in similar life situations. I don't want to be naive about that. I was prepared for that reality.

                I want to know about potentially similar experiences people have had with their friendships when they have gone through a difficult emotional period, be it loss, a turbulent divorce, etc...I want to know what they did that either bettered or worsened the situation, if they did anything at all.
                I appreciate the words of wisdom, and I know that all relationships are two sided, but I think I'm looking for words that deal specifically with friendships during difficult times."


                and "[I]The strange thing that has come out of this is that I now realize we can only depend on ourselves./I]

                I know that people move on. I know that I can only rely on myself. I've learnt these life lessons already, and I know I'm going to keep experiencing them in the future.
                What I'm asking is what impact a difficult emotional situation had on your friendships. What did you do that made it better or worse? I think it's well-meaning and well-intentioned that people are giving me words of wisdom about relationships in general, and I thank them for their time for writing out their thoughts, but it's not what I'm asking for.

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                • atskitty2
                  Assistant Admin
                  • Aug 2013
                  • 4467

                  OK. I see. But...
                  What is the "it"? You're asking what someone might have done to make it better or worse...make what exactly better: the grievous situation or the dissipation of friendships or your own feelings toward either of those scenarios.

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                  • atskitty2
                    Assistant Admin
                    • Aug 2013
                    • 4467

                    I re-read your initial post and replies, and I can't help thinking you're asking for ideas on how to regain these friendships or what you might have done, or what you can still do-as if you're trying to change something.

                    But, to answer you more specifically, yes I have had friendships become distant after major life changes, either in mine or theirs.
                    My response was to roll with it. I miss those bonds sometimes, the girls I were close to in high school I rarely speak to and I miss the carefree silliness of that time with friends. But I had to accept it. We live hours apart now and it's not possible to stay close, even had our personal lives had more in common so that we'd have wanted to. We are very different people now.
                    I have had several "waves" of friends over the years, and each time they start to drift away, it's hard, but I let it go. There are a few that have trickled into my current life, but not many.
                    Trying to force friendships to prosper never worked. I tried that one in high school too.

                    Have you talked to your grief counselor about this in particular?

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