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  • CheekyNess
    Member
    • Jan 2014
    • 49

    Hey Rcoreyus,

    Thanks for the reply. Now, let me answer your queries and reply to comment...

    I agree with you in that having 2 people makes things easier, or at least, it should make things easier. However, I'm finding that while he does make meals once in awhile, I'm the one doing 95% of the cooking, and the cleanup as well, much of the time. He knew before marrying me, that I'm a clean, tidy person. I like things organized and uncluttered, and he had said the same thing prior to marriage, but now wants things to be messier. He said that he can't be himself in such a clean house. Do I lower my standards? We had gotten on a Sunday cleaning schedule, where we would divide up and conquer the chores, which worked great because instead of me spending the afternoon doing all the chores, we'd be done in 2 hours! He hasn't helped with this though in a few weeks, even during his 3- week Christmas break.

    As for work, honestly, I love time spent alone, and don't get nearly enough of it these days. So, in no way do I expect him to rush through his class preparations to spend time with me. Unfortunately, as a prof, his day isn't done when he leaves the classroom, whereas mine is done at 5pm. I don't have to take the work home with me, which is pretty lucky. This is part of his stress: when he spends so much time prepping and marking only to find that (some) students don't do well, and he feels that he's failed as a teacher. I've told him that he's a great teacher, but that he can only teach to the best of his abilities; it's up to the students to take the materials home and study them further. Some students are there only to fill a void in their schedules (option classes), and while he gets that, he doesn't truly understand that, and takes it personally when they do poorly.

    He has not quit his job, and apparently, has decided not to do that anymore. His recent epiphany is that he knows he's a great teacher, and is above average (his words; not mine), and that he will be sticking to the teaching. Initially, he wanted to quit his job for a few reasons: the catalyst was that he was afraid of losing me. But also: the stress of home life versus stress of teaching, the longer commute, his routine was completely different.

    As for bills, they skyrocketed because there are now 2 people using power, water, etc. (groceries included), instead of just 1. My grocery bill while living alone was about $250, tops, per month. Now, it's closer to $600 because we're buying a lot more of everything, meat included, which isn't cheap. When I lived alone, my meat of choice was fish or shrimp (he's allergic to both), and I ate A LOT of veggies/fruits. There are 2 people showering, the dishwasher gets run 2x a week instead of once, and laundry, oh boy! When I lived alone, there would be 2 loads per week, sometimes 3, if I did bedding. He likes the bedding done every week, and now there are my 2 loads, plus his 3, plus bedding, every week = 6 loads. So yeah, bills have increased a lot.

    Yes, his history is different, as not many 40-somethings still live with their parents. As for sex on his part, during his 15-year post secondary stint, he concentrated on schooling instead of dating. When he did get into a relationship, it was with a gal with whom sex was painful, so that happened only once with them. I don't think actual intercourse happened during the threesome; it was more touching, oral sex from my understanding. And, in case you're wondering, his best friend from that is still his best friend, and was best man at our wedding. Part-time prof... someone will have to retire for him to get tenure, as the university can't take on another full-time prof in his department.

    As for what caused me to fall for the guy in the first place: Prior to him, I had dated a string of guys who really weren't very nice or good for me. He treated me well, he treated my dogs well, and the male dog was smitten with him almost immediately. He (the dog) is really tough to win over! We both had much in common (hiking, travelling, photography, being outdoors, didn't want children, loved dogs, common values/life goals). And, I was also attracted to the fact that he has a really great job. My parents really liked him, which is also a hard-sell.

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    • jns
      Assistant Admin
      • Mar 2010
      • 8398

      I have to agree, money savings by living together often doesn't work out. It works out if before there was a lot of eating at restaurants and now eating at home with the same quality of food is taking place and also,there is compatibility of palates. It works out if both were living on their own in a place that a couple could live and now one of the rents is no longer being paid.

      It looks like a lot of your complaints are about things he doesn't do, the things his mother did for him while he lived at home. It seems like she has been the big winner in your marriage.
      I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided, and that is the lamp of experience.
      ...
      Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance by lying supinely on our backs and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot?

      From a speech by Patrick Henry on March 23, 1775 at St. John's Church, Richmond, Virginia

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      • AlisonW
        Member
        • Jan 2014
        • 12

        Marriage isn't easy. It's about compromise. It must be difficult for you this early on in your marriage, You are over all the excitement and stress of the actual wedding so it's down to the humdrum. I don't think you should settle for this if you aren't happy. What would make you, just you, not hubs, happy? Think about that and see what your answer is! No one can make the decision for you, only offer advice. Have you spoken to him about it?

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        • rcoreyus
          Veteran Member
          • Sep 2007
          • 4369

          I think a big part of the problem is that it sounds like (maybe I'm wrong) he was living at home and someone else was doing a lot of the work, and paying a lot of the bills (even if he contributed), so he has an unrealistic idea of the work and financial issues of life. Has he lived by himself for any extended period of time?

          There are a lot of chores in life, and having someone to share the with is great -but someone who has never had to do them may not realize how much work they are. I think its vital in a marriage to share chores - its OK if they are different chores: My wife cooks, I clean. I do the bills, she does the taxes every year. We do our own laundry, I make the beds, clean the cat room, maintain the computers. On trips, I drive, she navigates. It all seems to work out reasonably well.

          Not all couples manage this. We know a married couple where over time she has wound up doing almost all the chores. At first he was working long hours, but eventually he had enough money to retire - and now does very little to help around the house. She resents it, but its become such a pattern that she feels there is nothing she can do about it now. Don't let this happen to you.

          Money is an issue for everyone. It sounds like you are living above your collective means, so you need to cut back. Maybe less meat? Spicy Asian stir-fry can be really good and a little bit of meat with a lot of veggies and rice is good and also pretty healthy. Probably there are other places you can cut back as well - try to do it before money problems become a crisis. Is his income similar to yours?

          Having a lot of things you like doing together is a huge help.

          Overall what I think I'm seeing (and I may be WAY off base) is that he is someone who hasn't had to spend much time living like an adult, he has always had family to help out. He needs to recognize just how difficult, annoying, time consuming and expensive the real world can be - and then appreciate how much of a help it is to share that work with you.

          Its never a good idea to stay with someone because other people you dated were not good to you. This guy being nice to you is certainly necessary, but by itself it isn't enough. You need someone who is nice to you AND who can hold up their end of all the work that living entails.

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          • rcoreyus
            Veteran Member
            • Sep 2007
            • 4369

            Now the other topic - Sex.
            Sex needs to be good in a marriage or things simply won't work - you will end up missing good sex and either feeling resentful for what you can't have, or cheating. I may have lost track in the discussion - is he trying to do what you want in bed, but just isn't very good at it yet, or does he not care? I think this is a very important question. I'm also a bit concerned his last girlfriend found sex "painful" - was it her, or is he just clumsy, or rough - this sounds too much like what you are describing? Couldn't they have found other intimate things to do?

            I expect that he will seem sexier if he starts to take more of the load at home. I'm not one of those people that men are sexy when they do the laundry, but I do believe that in order to be sexy ,men need to well, act like men - they need to be responsible for taking care of themselves and other people.

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            • CheekyNess
              Member
              • Jan 2014
              • 49

              Originally posted by rcoreyus
              Now the other topic - Sex.
              Sex needs to be good in a marriage or things simply won't work - you will end up missing good sex and either feeling resentful for what you can't have, or cheating. I may have lost track in the discussion - is he trying to do what you want in bed, but just isn't very good at it yet, or does he not care? I think this is a very important question. I'm also a bit concerned his last girlfriend found sex "painful" - was it her, or is he just clumsy, or rough - this sounds too much like what you are describing? Couldn't they have found other intimate things to do?
              Yep, already there! My drive is really high, and I miss the good stuff. Honestly, I do think he tries to please me in bed, but just seems to fall short. I'm not talking about an orgasm on my part (I've never actually orgasmed with a man; only by myself). He is quite clumsy, and seems to think that strange things are sexy (like telling me to "come to Daddy". Seriously, I just picture my Dad, and while I love my Dad, I certainly don't in that fashion, and it isn't a turn on at all!). He also has never really been one to explore himself or watch porn (explore other styles, etc). We bought the kama sutra book, but that only seems to come out in dire circumstances (ie., when it's been 2-3 weeks). All in all, I think he tries, and I think he wants to please me, but I just don't think he knows how due to lack of experience.

              As for his last girlfriend who found sex painful... I don't know if it was her or his doing in bed; I never asked. He did make it sound like it was her though. As for other intimate things to do... again, I've never asked! :-S

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              • rcoreyus
                Veteran Member
                • Sep 2007
                • 4369

                If you think he wants to please you, then I think you can probably teach him. Difficult to know where he got his ideas of sex -maybe he watched porn in the past, or read penthouse letters, or something. His words / actions "come to daddy", pinching nipples, vaguely suggest someone who had seen low grade porn, and has nothing else to go on.

                Do you think he is not interested in trying new things in bed, or is too shy / self-conscious to saw what he wants? Does he tell you to stop if you try something new? Otherwise does he let you take the lead in bed, or does he have a clear set of things (however dull) that he wants to do.

                Have you tried watching any erotic (maybe not hard core porn) movies with him? Maybe even porn, but not the standard repetitive commercial junk. Just a thought - maybe he would never consider it.

                Kama Sutra isn't a great starting place - it includes a lot of exotic positions etc that may not be that much fun for most people. Back in the Pleistocene when I was younger the "joy of sex" books were quite nice, I don't know if they still exist or if there is a modern equivalent. I say "nice" because thy included the basics, but also enough more exotic treats to be interesting even to someone with experience, but stayed away from anything that would be off-putting to most people.

                I always have trouble putting myself into the mindset of someone who doesn't want to try new things in bed.

                Its worth working very hard to fix this - if you enjoy each other in bed, a lot of the other problems will seem a lot less important.

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                • CheekyNess
                  Member
                  • Jan 2014
                  • 49

                  Yep, I agree, but in this case, this isn't so. Hubs ate out for lunches almost everyday before he moved in, and still does occasionally, but I seldom ever have, and have opted for cooking instead. And, his rent before at his Mom's house was really, really low.

                  As for his Mom being the big winner in our marriage, I'm not so sure, and since she feels like she lost a son (she still doesn't see me as a daughter-in-law; but as the family friend yet). But, I know that she did baby him while he lived there, by not letting him do things (his words; not mine). He would go to make a meal, clean, whatever, and she would tell him he was doing it wrong, and proceed to take over. Hence why it took me a really long time to get him to help with anything. He learns by observing, so that's what he would do: observe me cutting the grass, pulling weeds, gardening, cleaning indoors. Until I got ripped off enough to tell him he needed to start pulling his weight.


                  Originally posted by jns
                  I have to agree, money savings by living together often doesn't work out. It works out if before there was a lot of eating at restaurants and now eating at home with the same quality of food is taking place and also,there is compatibility of palates. It works out if both were living on their own in a place that a couple could live and now one of the rents is no longer being paid.

                  It looks like a lot of your complaints are about things he doesn't do, the things his mother did for him while he lived at home. It seems like she has been the big winner in your marriage.

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                  • CheekyNess
                    Member
                    • Jan 2014
                    • 49

                    Hey Alison,

                    It is difficult, especially this early on, and both of us have said that had we known it would be this hard, we wouldn't have gotten married. What would make me happy, you ask? Honestly, the thing that would make me happiest right now is being able to get back to my life before marriage, when I had reached the point of contentment. I was doing well financially, was much happier, and had the freedom to do the things I enjoy without having to check in with hubs first. Heck, I couldn't even sign up for a series of exercise classes to up energy levels and keep me in shape, because he wanted me to find something that also fit into his schedule so we could spend evenings together. I want to continue travelling with my best girlfriend, as she is a great travel buddy! Hubs, not so much... he wants to do what he wants to do, and couldn't get his butt moving on the days I wanted to see a couple cool things on our honeymoon. We spent an entire day (like, 9am to nightfall) on top of Mauna Kea for him, but only got to spend about 45 minutes at my #1 destination on our honeymoon. Best friend and I divide things equally; we're both do-ers, and don't have a problem hitting the road early, spending 15 minutes getting ready and we're out the door to our next adventure! I want that back, but don't see how I can still travel with her while I'm married.

                    Is that a selfish want? Oh yeah. But would it make me 110% happy? Ohhh yeah!

                    At the moment, I'm staying with my parents while Mom is pet-sitting a dog who just had surgery (he's still able to get at the stitches even with a cone on). Mom isn't feeling well, and so I'm there to relieve her of things in the evenings. I also wanted her to get a good sleep, so I'm in charge of the dogs at night. I'm hoping that these couple days away will make the heart grow fonder, but really, I'm just enjoying my time away from my own home.

                    Originally posted by AlisonW
                    Marriage isn't easy. It's about compromise. It must be difficult for you this early on in your marriage, You are over all the excitement and stress of the actual wedding so it's down to the humdrum. I don't think you should settle for this if you aren't happy. What would make you, just you, not hubs, happy? Think about that and see what your answer is! No one can make the decision for you, only offer advice. Have you spoken to him about it?

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                    • rcoreyus
                      Veteran Member
                      • Sep 2007
                      • 4369

                      Do it. Tell him you made a mistake, tell him its your fault, that you just were not ready for a long term commitment.

                      Picture this in your mind -really imagine the scenario: He comes to you and says the same thing. Says he is sorry but he just isn't ready for this, and he wants to end it. How do you feel? Sad? Devastated? Or relieved, like a dark cloud has been removed from your life?

                      If you are not happy, you are not doing him a favor by staying with him.




                      [QUOTE=CheekyNess;365034]Hey Alison,

                      <SNIP Honestly, the thing that would make me happiest right now is being able to get back to my life before marriage, when I had reached the point of contentment. SNIP>

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