[housewife]

at least i am happy in my life and not eating myself up because people like porn.

People like or defend porn are losers in life and the hereafter
Be happy in life all you want, but, let?s see who will be happy then.

[housewifesupporter]

Porn is from the devil

I personally believe porn is a way to use women for business gains. Exploitation of women in the name of freedom. It's the way men use a women's body to make dollars. Shameful to say the least

[Shun9821]

I do believe at some point almost every man looks at porn. The thing with me is I feel like they dont need it. They just want it. I really don't care for it. I feel less if my man looks at porn and then want to have sex with me. It's like he's not wanting sex with me, its with the girl he just saw.

[hotdogg]

lol! so people who enjoy porn are losers in life?

so who made YOU the judge and jury on life!


you sound very bitter! you can not control other people, so get over it.


people who can not stand the fact their partner watches porn are just insecure about themselves! the last poster is proof of that.

[*~Kira~*]

you know for days now i have sat back and watched everyone go at it with this whole porn debate. Now I believe it is time I give my opinion. I do not have a problem with my boyfriend watching porn as long as he is doing that I know he isnt going to get some *** somewhere else. I used to get mad at him because he did it. I learned to accept that. The following day he sat me down and we watched one together and I didnt see the big deal. We actually use porn to spice up our sex life. After so many years of being together you need to spice it so it doesnt get boring and because of all the ideas and positions you see it gets intresting. lol
Second of all I do not believe anyone has the right to be passing judgement on anyone who watches it. Housewife you call me a loser because I watch them. You cant say that. I am only someone who is trying to keep her relationship going and keep her man happy. Granted sex may not be everything but it plays a big part in relationships and lifes.

[nutmeg]

i had a long conversation with my current bf about this topic, because i felt uncomfortable with it. my last bf was obsessed with porn masturbation to the point of admitting to me, he thought about it almost constantly and indulged in it several times a day.

i still don't like porn, but i realize part of it was due to past experience of an extreme. my current boyfriend never watched much porn but doesn't see a difference between porn and masturbation.

the conclusion we came up with was, that we felt communication, honesty and good intentions were important. not making hurtful judgments or demands towards either the pro- or anti- porn person. i think it's possible for a couple to be in a healthy, loving, committed relationship with or without porn.

if porn is making the woman feel awful then she should have a right to voice her concern without being told she is flat out unreasonable. she can't help her feeling and it will cause her to resent herself and her significant other. at the same time, if the boyfriend needs the release, relaxation, fantasy, escape ect that porn offers him and the woman either refuses or can not give, i think he has a right to want to indulge himself without being told he's perverted or insensitive.

both people need to communicate what they feel about the subject and be willing to try and understand the other person's view. both people need to make some compromise if they truly love each other...

[Guest]

Please, by all means, link away. I need some more material to masturbate to. While you are at it, please link me to some good transexual porn, I'm out of my beastiality phase, maybe some golden showers will tickle my fancy, or even some Japanese vomit fetish but only with shrimp because I love shrimp. I don't mean to impede on your personal stash or anything at all.

now clown.

all the sarcasm is a poor disguise for your lack of a real answer. so i'll answer for you:

truth is i never stated that i had never watched porn. what i said is that i don't watch porn.

keep in mind - several of you who seem to be getting the angriest & throwing out all of the personal attacks, i never said any of you were "evil" or anything else derrogatory for watching and/or supporting porn. i don't think i've made one slanderous comment about any of you. i did say hotdogg's original post contained worthless advice - which i believe. but that probably wasn't very nice. but i certainly never suggested the hotdogg herself was worthless. even still, i would challenge any of you to point out where you've been called "evil" for watching porn.

i think - and this really going to **** some of you off - i think it's interesting that, in the midst of a somewhat intelligent debate about porn, the only people who have gotten so heated & unable to contain their emotions are the pro-porners. not all of them, i know. but the only ones i see ignoring real questions & responding with silly personal attacks are the pro-porn people. that's pretty telling.

porn - the industry - is evil on 2 fronts. there are many watchers who can't handle it & become obsessed & addicted. they travel down a horrible road - and the industry is designed to make that happen. some of the more rational posters, even the pro porn people, have pointed that out & acknowledged the difference. they've likened it to alcohol.

point taken - and it's a good one. there are many, many people who can consume porn recreationally & never become addicted. they never idolize their lust for porn & they may not become so desensitized as to need stronger, more extreme porn.

so how can someone actually still call this evil? sure there are people who blame the liquor manufacturers for alcoholism. gun companies for murder. tobacco industry for lung cancer.

isn't that what i'm doing here? i'm blaming the porn industry for the thousands of people who become addicted to porn & the marriages that have crumbled because of it - the broken hearts of of countless loving women that have lost their husbands - the true self, the heart, of their husbands, to the world of porn.

is it the industry's fault that people become addicted?

it's debatable. but it doesn't matter. the porn industry still displays its true color, loud and clear, in this simple, irrefutable fact: in order for porn to exist, people, most especially - women, or girls, really, as people's tastes grow more inclined to view "barely legal" girls - these women are mistreated sexually in order for porn to exist. their hopes, dreams, potential - its all ignored & trampled along the road to producing vibrant & exciting porn.

this is one of the most well documented & clearly displayed characteristics of porn that you can find - and it's a message that is touted by the pornographers themselves, not bible-thumping anti porn activists.

this is what is so funny, so ironic, about this argument in this thread. the most prolific porn producers acknowledge proudly that they are abusing women in order to make their product.

this doesn't have to be an argument anymore - ignore my opinion. totally discount it. just go & read the descriptions on the dvd covers. look at a couple of websites. read interviews with porn producers.

forget whilhelm - you do your own research. if the downward spiral of countless addicted husbands doesn't stain the industry - then just look at what the industry does to people in order to make its product.

it's evil. forget the religion-infused language. foprget "right" and "wrong." it's damaging. it damages many of the users and damages all of the performers. it is a meat grinder - interestingly, that's the name of one of JM's popular line of movies. it grinds up young - the youngest they can find & still be legal (though they often make them up to look even younger than legal) girls until they have to do harder, more demeaning things and then, within just a few years - they're old news. churned up & spit out.

then the industry turns to the next, younger model - and does the same thing.

meanwhile back at the ranch, people in their homes rent a dvd, curl up with their cutie, and enjoy a night of hot sexual inspiration - at the hands of that kind of abuse.

maybe you enjoy watching girls being double penetrated - and you & your lover can hardly contain yourself after watching movies that depict that. you're not addicted & your relationship hasn't suffered. you're just adding a little spice.

but in order for you to enjoy that movie, there was a girl who had to be subjected to that (do i really need to argue that when porn stars talk about how much they love anal & double penetrations & gangbangs - they're not telling the truth??). th reality is that 25 minute scene took 3 hours to make. and it involved the cameras stopping several times so the girl could collect herself - ever noticed how many times girls in anal movies wince from pain, and the camera quickly shifts to the other angle?

only now, the camera often lingers to focus on the obvious look of pain in her face - because the pornographers are recognizing that viewers are demanding harder, more extreme material. what they used to try to cover up about the industry, they are now exposing in order to sell more porn.

pretty tough to find straight up, passionate sex in adult dvd's today. it's all about choking, gagging, hair pulling, slapping, degrading, humiliating sex.

which, by definition, is just abuse.

i guess it's a lot like wearing nike's. we can buy nike's and wear them with a clear conscience because we can hide behind the wall of separation that shields us from having to witness the vietnamese 9 year olds that are exploited for 16 hour days in order to make those shoes.

OK - fine. i'm not judging you for watching porn. never did.

just be intelligent enough to call it what it is.

[hotdogg]

you can believe what you want whilhelm!

So all the women in porn movies are being abused? yer right!

most of these women are in it for the money! they do gang bangs and anal scenes because they get paid more!

hookers get paid to have sex but i do not see you complaining about that! are they being abused too?

now nobody is defending abuse! if anyone forces someone to do something against their will then that is wrong!

however it is very naive to claim everyone in the porn business is being abused!

now i personally do not watch porn to spice up my sex life!
i watch it because i like it. and i do not watch anything strange just two people having sex.

[Guest]

just because they're paid doesn't erase that what they're subjected to - the way they're treated - is abusive. and i'm not asuming they're all forced. i do think most who enter the business are naive about what to expect.

if 2 guys have sex with a girl at the same time - anal & vaginal together - and it hurts her, the experience is going to damage her. i don't care what she gets paid - it will be damaging.

the producers themselves are open about that. they bring them in, acquaint them with the nature of what they're filming - then push the envelope as much as possible. they use the increases in money to give incentives to do things they really don't want to do - things they don't enjoy - but are willing to do because, as you said, they get more money.

so you film girls having sex they don't enjoy & people get off watching that. that's a problem for both the girl & the viewer of porn.

also, the girls are told to act like they DO like it. so you film girls having sex they don't enjoy but pretend they do enjoy - and people get off watching it. that gives the viewer the impression that girls actually like those things.

then, when a girls doesn't like those things - the guy compares her to the girls who acted like they liked it in porn - and he's disatisfied. this is what leads all the women in the forum to write all these threads about how their husbands would rather watch porn than be with them and how they feel pressure to act like the girls in porn.

i think you were the one who commented that women who don't like porn are just insecure. i think you're right. and so are they. you'd be a fool not to be insecure about yourself if you had a husband who was into porn. a real, live woman cannot possibly compete with a porn star who takes 2, 3, 4 guys at one time, does all kinds of painful sex acts, degrades herself - plus, his tastes in porn will always, ALWAYS escalate. proven & factual. playboys become boring - so does consentual, straight sex b/w 2 people. the desires always intensify.

and there are always porn stars willing to subject themselves to what real women don't like - for the money. you can't compete with that.

the women who feel insecure in the face of that competition are right on.

it's the women who actually think they're husbands aren't watching it without them, aren't comparing them, aren't getting into harder, more extreme things, that are naive.

[hotdogg]

lol! so now you want all women to feel insecure about themselves if their man watches porn.

you have simply overlooked the fact that women enjoy watching porn too.

i watch porn i enjoy it, i watch porn when i am alone, i watched porn before i met my husband! i do not compare my husband to the men in those movies and i am in no threatened by the women in porn! if i were fat or ugly then i might feel threatened, however i am attractive i have a great figure and my breasts are real.

i have i high sex drive and i would say i watch porn more than my husband, so really, it should be him who feels insecure ( thats if your theory was correct).

now porn is simply a masterbation tool! sometimes you just need a quick release, you do not always feel like having sex because it takes more effort! i lot of women do not understand this because they are the type that usually just lie their and expect the man to do all the work.

so like i have aready stated porn is only a problem when it replaces you! if your partner still wants sex still shows affection and loves you then their is no problem.