[mariaangel]

You are absolutely right CW, and how can you be certain that we wont stay together?

[CHANDLERS WISH]

You are absolutely right CW, and how can you be certain that we wont stay together?

Haha... I'm not...

Although statistically youth tend to stray these days as they get older, searching themselves further having been with one partner.

In the olden days it was way more common to have a partner and stay for ever, however, snowhite and the frog made it...

[Fire(m)]

I dont have a desire to be someone whom I am not, that is not true at all. It is not irrational that I am female when I was born an anatomical male. So also fire(m) your telling me that I am not female, it is all in my head, basically. Im not crazy or a psychopath, you havent said it but you have implied it. I wouldnt go down the same path again if I was ever in another relationship but telling him the first date might end badly, especially since I dont drive. Im not disagreeing with anyone, I just dont like it when people like fire(m) tell me (or imply) that im not a 'real female'. Another thing they are not unnatural hormones either, anatomical males and anatomical females have androgynes and estrogens, just different levels. I have no excuse for what I didnt say, for what I kept from him, I lied about nothing, I just didnt say the thing that was most important. Also for personal gain? No I dont think so, it was a lie to protect my life. Do you want to know how his 'friends' reacted when they found out what he knew and that he was still together with me? If I wouldve told him earlier it wouldnt have mattered, he wouldve still stayed with me and we wouldve still be attacked by his 'friends'. Neither of us is dead, we wouldve been if there hadnt been a cop near-by. Also to chelsea if your metaphorical boyfriend (not saying you dont have one just doing a scenario) told you that he had a vagina on your first date how would you react?

Ok.

You said: "people like fire tell me I'm not a real female."
My answer: YOU HAVE A PENIS. I NEVER said you were crazy or a psychopath. I just said that you have a PENIS.

You said: "I wouldnt go down the same path again if I was ever in another relationship but telling him the first date might end badly, especially since I dont drive."
My answer: This is a total rationalization. Somehow you feel justified in mis-representing yourself to some innocent male because you're using the rationale that you don't drive. That's just wrong. The fact that you can't see that PROVES that you are delusional.

You said: "I just dont like it when people like fire(m) tell me (or imply) that im not a 'real female'".
My answer: You are not a real female. You have a PENIS. How many "real" females have I ever in my life known that have a penis? Zero. I'm sorry...I'm not trying to put down on you, but by virtue of the fact that you have a penis, you are NOT a natural, real, female.

You said: "I lied about nothing, I just didnt say the thing that was most important. Also for personal gain? No I dont think so, it was a lie to protect my life."
My answer: These are your words, not mine. You can't even discern when you contradict yourself within 2 sentences. You are a walking, talking contradiction who dreams up responses to rationalize your contradictions. At some point, you need to stop doing this and face up to who you are, and what you're doing. I say this to help you, not hurt you.

You said: " Also to chelsea if your metaphorical boyfriend...told you that he had a vagina on your first date how would you react?"
My answer: I think she would react a heck of a lot better than if she had dated "him" for a year or two and he'd kept that LIE from her. If she'd taken the time and energy to fall in love with "him" she would have been devastated. This would have been a life-changing event for her...and it would have been because "he" didn't have the backbone to be honest from the start...just like YOU. Come on Mariaangel...even YOU can't believe the garbage you're spewing.

I mention these things to you Mariaangel not because I want to take your words and push them back at you...but out of total KINDNESS. I feel like someone needs to point out the constant inconsistencies you are delivering since you can't even seem to see them for yourself.

You seriously need mental help. You are a walking contradiction and that is not a good thing. You are also a walking rationalization. That is not a good thing either. I don't mean to argue with you. I doubt you can imagine, but I really do care about you. You're just doing things that are tremendously destructive to YOURSELF and you're claiming that you're the victim in all of it. You aren't the victim. You are the villain.

I hope that you'll read over my carefully selected words. I hope that you will somehow be able to see maybe even only ONE of the inconsistencies that you are putting out here. You're very destructive, and you're going to either get yourself killed, or maimed or something else. BUT when you do, it's not going to be because of someone else making you a victim. It will be because you have victimized someone else.

I do wish you the very best Mariaangel. I just think you're on a path of destruction that someone desperately needs to shake you out of.

Cheers.

One last comment and I'm leaving this all alone.

I don't believe that you have told your boyfriend about your penis. I think this would have ended VERY badly if you had told him, not the fairy-tale ending that you've proported to us. I hope you can tell him someday or just maybe that you can "disappear from his life" so you spare him the pain of knowing that you have a PENIS.

I know you'll perceive my comments as if I have some major axe to grind with you, but I'll repeat once again I don't.

The total truth of the matter is that I have seen someone very close to me self-destruct in the same fashion that you are heading in and that's the only reason I care enough to try to be honest with you to stop you from doing this.

My friend didn't make it out of his delusional situation alive. My hope is that you will.
At this point though, I'm going to wash my hands of this situation and I'm going to stop reading this thread because frankly it's too painful for me to watch you continue to go down this path and I know you can't discern truth from fiction.

Good luck.
Cheers.

[CHANDLERS WISH]

Chandlers Wish
Whilst your situation is not the best one, and one you are working with to correct to what you feel should be the solution to your problems there, it is simple, if this boyfriend goes... you have to be open of whom you are even before the date (singly) hang out with that guy with other people you are friends with, let him get to know you, then when he asks for a date, tell him, around those people, and if he does not like that prospect then that's his choice. But it is, his choice.

Perhaps you haven't looked at ways in which you can let a guy like you and then be honest, and in safety..

mariaangel
You are absolutely right CW,

For the point of the arguement Fire(m) has bought up. Am I right as in, you truly can see this as being a way out of telling someone straight up, whilst being safe, and whilst understanding that he may say.... no way?

Fire(m)
You are not a real female.

"Opinion" - I am a real female, but i love my inner child, I am 45, people say I'm 35, and I say that's because of my inner child, so to me, I am 35, in the way i act and in my being, does that make me wrong? Age is 45, granted but no one thinks that i am. Mariaangel was born in a male body, probably played with barbies, loved everything little girls like, she feels like a woman/female, it's not relevant that she has a penis, she is prepared to get rid of that, she feels like a female the word "real" doesn't mean atonomy... If she feels it, and acts it, then she is a real female, we can't help what genes we were born with same as gays, we are what we are and what ever that is, is real.

Fire(m)
I don't believe that you have told your boyfriend about your penis. I think this would have ended VERY badly if you had told him, not the fairy-tale ending that you've proported to us.

That is bordering really. Calling someone a lier?

Some opinions are better left to oneself sorry.

Fire(m)
My friend didn't make it out of his delusional situation alive. My hope is that you will.
At this point though, I'm going to wash my hands of this situation and I'm going to stop reading this thread because frankly it's too painful for me to watch you continue to go down this path and I know you can't discern truth from fiction.

So i can see where this is stemming from and anyone who has lost a partner/friend, situations of pain, will always feel and consequently protect and that's a good quality.

I am not disagreeing that there are issues here, that mariaangel you have to SEE that regardless of fear etc, you have to be concerned for other's lives to, including those whom don't want to kiss a "man" and find out later.

And, so again i say, if your boyfriend does leave you always around people, tell the next guy before that happens, don't play god that's unfair and if that means your single for a while waiting for more understanding so be it.
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[mariaangel]

Response: And for fire saying this ended good, he obviously didnt read my entire post just picked and chose what he wanted to respond to, because I did say what my boyfriends "friends" did to him. Did that end good? No but at least neither of us was dead.
Update: So tonight we had sex, like foreplay, intimacy, touching, rubbing, not penetration because he didnt feel comfortable with that, well anal, and well I didnt feel comfortable with it either, but he had no problem with oral. Problem: Well we were at his apartment, his parents have a key they well sort of walked in on us. We were both entirely naked, and they saw my penis and saw me sucking his . So he either breaks up with me or they dont pay for him to continue college. The thing is he still wants to be with me but I want him to do whats best for himself even if it means us no longer being together. Im hoping he will break up with me, but I also dont want him too. I hurt him, I kept it from him, and now I might hurt him more, I just dont know anymore.

[ChelseaRenee]

Response: And for fire saying this ended good, he obviously didnt read my entire post just picked and chose what he wanted to respond to, because I did say what my boyfriends "friends" did to him. Did that end good? No but at least neither of us was dead.
Update: So tonight we had sex, like foreplay, intimacy, touching, rubbing, not penetration because he didnt feel comfortable with that, well anal, and well I didnt feel comfortable with it either, but he had no problem with oral. Problem: Well we were at his apartment, his parents have a key they well sort of walked in on us. We were both entirely naked, and they saw my penis and saw me sucking his . So he either breaks up with me or they dont pay for him to continue college. The thing is he still wants to be with me but I want him to do whats best for himself even if it means us no longer being together. Im hoping he will break up with me, but I also dont want him too. I hurt him, I kept it from him, and now I might hurt him more, I just dont know anymore.

This is getting absurd. How unreal can this whole ridiculousness get? And for the record? If I found out my boyfriend had a vagina after our first date, I never would have dated him. Call me whatever you want, I'm a heterosexual female and I will only date biologically men who are born with a penis. Gee, what a closeminded cow that must make me...

[CHANDLERS WISH]

Response: And for fire saying this ended good, he obviously didnt read my entire post just picked and chose what he wanted to respond to, because I did say what my boyfriends "friends" did to him. Did that end good? No but at least neither of us was dead.
Update: So tonight we had sex, like foreplay, intimacy, touching, rubbing, not penetration because he didnt feel comfortable with that, well anal, and well I didnt feel comfortable with it either, but he had no problem with oral. Problem: Well we were at his apartment, his parents have a key they well sort of walked in on us. We were both entirely naked, and they saw my penis and saw me sucking his . So he either breaks up with me or they dont pay for him to continue college. The thing is he still wants to be with me but I want him to do whats best for himself even if it means us no longer being together. Im hoping he will break up with me, but I also dont want him too. I hurt him, I kept it from him, and now I might hurt him more, I just dont know anymore.

Mmmm... Well you mention something there. So i am assuming only you doing it not him going it back? But, then if it's reverse then he has different tendancies which explains why he is not concerned.... Parents, well off course, you have to consider your ages.

mariaangel, frankly, he has no choice, this does sound like a great movie?

But anyways, he has no choice, you can't hold him back from his only chance to be successful in life...

Let him move on, and remember, you didn't answer me, you MUST NOT kiss another guy, and then tell him about you, simple.

You are not god in that area.

Whether you listen or not, obviously is another thing, i appreciate people are really being hard on their "opinions" but frankly even to someone whom is actually taking things differently or the approach, your NOT answering, so are you LISTENING?

CW

[anonymouswhitefemale]

I'm getting more and more convinced that mariaangel is just some bored teenager who wants to talk rubbish on the internet.

If not - okay, sorry you're a man. You know why? Women are able to bear children. No matter how much surgery you have, you will never be a mother. Which means, you can be a man, wear lipstick, shave your legs, and have your penis turned inside out into a sexless resemblance of a vagina, but you will still be a man.

Flicking back to another thread you wrote:

When I was about 12 years old, I was forced by another student to perform oral sex on him. I couldnt fight back because I was weak so I had to do what he told me. He then said that if I told anyone he would kill me so I never told anyone. Another time when I was 13 years old I was molested by another student.

So, if that's true, basically you were raped, you couldn't accept the possibility of homosexuality, and you sought to feminise yourself as a defence mechanism, you tried to be the girl they made you. If that's really true, it's pathetic that you can't see the reasons behind your own behaviour. By the time you realise what an 1diot you've been your balls will be in a jar on the table. You're self destructing in spectacular fashion. You know that gay/transgender people have a far higher liklihood of mental illness?

(once again - if true): So you got raped, big flucking deal, go to a therapist and get get over it, and throw your bottle of "im a real woman this will just make me one" down the toilet.

[CHANDLERS WISH]

I'm getting more and more convinced that mariaangel is just some bored teenager who wants to talk rubbish on the internet.

If not - okay, sorry you're a man. You know why? Women are able to bear children. No matter how much surgery you have, you will never be a mother. Which means, you can be a man, wear lipstick, shave your legs, and have your penis turned inside out into a sexless resemblance of a vagina, but you will still be a man.

Flicking back to another thread you wrote:


So, if that's true, basically you were raped, you couldn't accept the possibility of homosexuality, and you sought to feminise yourself as a defence mechanism, you tried to be the girl they made you. If that's really true, it's pathetic that you can't see the reasons behind your own behaviour. By the time you realise what an 1diot you've been your balls will be in a jar on the table. You're self destructing in spectacular fashion. You know that gay/transgender people have a far higher liklihood of mental illness?

(once again - if true): So you got raped, big flucking deal, go to a therapist and get get over it, and throw your bottle of "im a real woman this will just make me one" down the toilet.

marieangel
I go to therapy for this.

Simply, if this threader is actually real with his/her thoughts, why put her/him in a catirgory of anything?

This threader has POSTED on Mental Health, this threader has stated, i do go to therapy and at 17 needs a lot more, if the threader is ligit.

What i do have trouble with mariaangel (Opinon) Your grammer, spelling, replies, knowledge is way more advanced to a 17 year old, way...?????

Hense, i think people are suspecting and feeling, gut, etc, that WT?

I have mentioned this before, but again, you don't reply to anything that people post, rather, answer their opinons...

One, i think of the major things to remember, is this is an internet sight, as such, let's face it, you can be make belief, real, a female, a male, all sorts....

So ..........................

[anonymouswhitefemale]

Simply, if this threader is actually real with his/her thoughts, why put her/him in a catirgory of anything?

This threader has POSTED on Mental Health, this threader has stated, i do go to therapy and at 17 needs a lot more, if the threader is ligit.

If he's been to therapy, they haven't told him (or he hasn't listened) what he needed to hear. It's quite obvious that the gender confusion is a manifestation of those earlier events, and why anyone would (apparently) give breast implants to a 17 year old in that situation is beyond me. This kid is either blind or a liar.