[GentlemanGhost]

I am 22 years old in school for a B.S. in Radiography(pays about the same as a nurse). I am in decent shape and my face is decent( I have had female friends confirm this)




I can't even get the decent looking girls to talk to me(I have had friends confirm that they were decent looking girls)



So, my question for the females of this forum is:

Do you think females expect too much out of men?





What we expect:

-Not be fat(much easier than gaining muscle. I have confirmed this with trainers). A simple task. Just don't eat for 7 months and BAM your thin.

-Have a decent to semi-pretty face. Just invest in some braces and your good to go.

-Not be insane. Basically, we expect you to be someone we can stand to be around. Again, this isn't hard to achieve.





What YOU expect:

-100k salary.

The only way to make such an income is to go to Pharmacy or Med school(which only a select few of the human population can do). Both are brutally hard relative to your degrees in "Music" and "Art". Not claiming that all women major in easy subjects. However, a good majority do.





-Muscles(These are VERY hard to obtain. It has taken me 4 years just to get a semi decent build. Going from 300 pounds to like 150 takes about 6 months).

Once again, females just take muscles for granted and have NO idea how hard they are to obtain. No, it isn't impossible to gain muscles, it just takes a LONG time relative to losing fat.


-Kiss your feet 24/7.


-Good face.
This is harder for us because we can't our faces up with make up. So, our only options are braces and keeping clear skin. I suppose plastic surgery is an option too.









I have talked to friends, and they have confirmed that females lower their expectations past age 25. Is this true?

[GentlemanGhost]

I apologize for the numerous grammatical errors. I was really mad when I typed this out.

[Hopeless Dork]

I think you are really minimizing what men expect from women. Skinny, Pretty and Not crazy are generally the bare minimum... you haven't even brought in sexual expectations... know how to please me, but don't know how to please me TOO good or I think you are a girl that has been around too much. Depending on the age of the male they have a don't have kids expectation, don't have had a life before 25... must have stayed locked up in a box til I decided I was ready for you type attitude.

Women have both high and low expectations at any age. To say over 25 is ... hilarious. There are teenage girls who's only expectation is the guy own a car..lol.. I mean get serious for a moment. And there are women in their 30's that expect a greek god with a mansion. Age has nothing to do with expectations.

All your female expectations of male are superficial when the vast majority of women have expectations that go so far beyond that... Loyalty and honesty being high on that list. Consideration, respect, affection.

Read the posts on this board that ask what the women here want in a man... while its not a scientific sampling you can see that most of the things they seek have nothing to do with muscle size.

[LanaBear]

Honestly, I don't know where to even start this... In my opinion, your expectations are so far off the mark and most everything you stated is completely superficial.

Your whole post is about salary and looks, anybody in a relationship for those two things will not last. There is a lot more to a relationship than that.

Your opinions regarding what WE expect?

100k salary - nope, honestly, money shouldn't be a factor. I make more money at this point.

Muscles - nope, be fit, but I don't care how much you can lift or that you have a 6 pack.

Kiss my feet 24/7 - absolutely not, it would get annoying and I'd just end up punching you.

Good face - not necessarily. I love intriguing eyes, I want to be able to see depth. I do look at teeth though too.

What I expect... good conversation, someone who can make me laugh, someone who can challenge me, someone who understands me and my sense of humor, someone who is true to themselves, and someone who I think would make a good father.

You sound like you are going through something else that is causing this lashing out on what women expect... Frustration? Bad breakup?

[GentlemanGhost]

Honestly, I don't know where to even start this... In my opinion, your expectations are so far off the mark and most everything you stated is completely superficial.

Your whole post is about salary and looks, anybody in a relationship for those two things will not last. There is a lot more to a relationship than that.

Your opinions regarding what WE expect?

100k salary - nope, honestly, money shouldn't be a factor. I make more money at this point.

Muscles - nope, be fit, but I don't care how much you can lift or that you have a 6 pack.

Kiss my feet 24/7 - absolutely not, it would get annoying and I'd just end up punching you.

Good face - not necessarily. I love intriguing eyes, I want to be able to see depth. I do look at teeth though too.

What I expect... good conversation, someone who can make me laugh, someone who can challenge me, someone who understands me and my sense of humor, someone who is true to themselves, and someone who I think would make a good father.

You sound like you are going through something else that is causing this lashing out on what women expect... Frustration? Bad breakup?

A combination of both. I got out of a relationship with a girl of 2 years who expected all that . In addition, I can't even get the decent looking girls to talk to me.

Well, yes it goes more in depth than that. However, I think the superficial qualities I mentioned are just kind of expected.



Again, I have good teeth from braces, a fit body(trying to get muscular because I like the benefits), I am a good guy, and I am in school for something decent. Although, I didn't go back till around age 21. So, this might be a turn off for a women.


I guess there is hope out there that there are qaulity women like you guy. All I hear the nurses talking about at my job(I am basically a x ray tech assistant) is how they want a guy to buy them purses and .


I mean what the heck?

[GentlemanGhost]

I think you are really minimizing what men expect from women. Skinny, Pretty and Not crazy are generally the bare minimum... you haven't even brought in sexual expectations... know how to please me, but don't know how to please me TOO good or I think you are a girl that has been around too much. Depending on the age of the male they have a don't have kids expectation, don't have had a life before 25... must have stayed locked up in a box til I decided I was ready for you type attitude.

Women have both high and low expectations at any age. To say over 25 is ... hilarious. There are teenage girls who's only expectation is the guy own a car..lol.. I mean get serious for a moment. And there are women in their 30's that expect a greek god with a mansion. Age has nothing to do with expectations.

All your female expectations of male are superficial when the vast majority of women have expectations that go so far beyond that... Loyalty and honesty being high on that list. Consideration, respect, affection.

Read the posts on this board that ask what the women here want in a man... while its not a scientific sampling you can see that most of the things they seek have nothing to do with muscle size.

I think the qualities you listed are to be expected. Anyone can gain those character traits with minimal efforts

[KMonte85]

perhaps its your attitude towards women in general that is turning them off? I hope you don't go out there to pick up dates and say "hey, I look decent, I'm going to be making okay money so according to women-think you should want to date me. Let's do this." LOL!

Don't let a few bad girls ruin you!

[Futureboy]

I kind of understand what your thinking. If this is how you come across to women, I don't think it's money or looks.

I am much more afluent now than when I was when I delivered pizza as a kid. Personally income is inversely propotional to the number of phone numbers in your black book.

Women, like men, are all different. Some pretty some not some intelligent some not and everywhere in between etc. You cant change 3.4 billion people but you can change you. Reflect on this.

I assume you are frustrated by not dating or by dating the wrong sorts of girl. You're 22 studying for something worthwhile concentrate on that and finding things that make you happy and take it from there.

[sourpuss]

I would never expect a guy to make 100k/year or buy me a purse. I don't even carry a purse, never have.

I'm in shape because I want to be for me and my sport, not to attract men.

I've dated good looking men, short men, over weight men, guys who are broke....etc.

Looks and money have nothing to do with it. Of course, there's something to initial attraction but that only goes so far. If you expect a girl to be thin, pretty, no baggage and perfect teeth then you're going to only find superficial, shallow women who find that kind of stuff important.

Apparently, you're looking in all the wrong places.

[sourpuss]

I kind of understand what your thinking. If this is how you come across to women, I don't think it's money or looks.

yeppers