[rcoreyus]

This is unlikely to go anywhere but I have some some time, and so....

You said "Okay? I have amazing self control, from years and years of mental discipline. Any other guy, might have raped that women"

I'm sorry but you set much too low a bar for your self control. I went many years between when I wished to have sex with women and when I had the opportunity to. I did not rape anyone, or even consider it as a possible action. Nether do most men. Many men want sex and it isn't available to them - only the very weak actually give in to that desire and hurt someone.

You then wander off to say that you won't hurt poor people for money, and won't work for a person you don't respect. Who do you respect? What are you doing to better society in return for your food and shelter? What are you doing to cause people to respect you? (I'm really asking - maybe you help with charity, or volunteered for public service, or are doing something else to benefit people).

5 good things about me: I have a job that benefits the public. I teach students from disadvantaged groups in my spare time. I have helped people, both friends and strangers, while expecting nothing in return. I have supported political causes that I believe are good. I try to give honest advice in forums however frustrating it may be.

5 good things about (american) society: Not many people go hungry. People have considerable freedom do to what they want with their lives. The legal system is less corrupt than most countries. It is possible for a poor but talented person to get a good education. The standard of living is quite high.

[jns]

I am the smartest person I HAVE EVER MET.

Évariste Galois was a brilliant mathematician. Some of his mathematics weren't understood for decades because he died at twenty, possibly due to his radicalism. He was very angry at parts of French society and snubs he had received. Give me an example of one of your theories that covers new ground, hopefully in a hard science.

[Stillness]

I am the smartest person I HAVE EVER MET.

I don't know if you are serious or trying to get a rise out of people, but I hope you don't get banned for your hateful comments, because it's very rare that I laugh so hard on this site. For me this makes up for everything else. I can't tell you how happy I am that you met yourself so that you could share your wisdom with us.

[fallprince]

I have spoken to many rich people in my life, told them my ideas, and a good number made some money off of them. I am not willing to talk about things I have done ever again. I have had first hand experience numerous times with how untrustworthy, greedy, and selfish, the majority of the population is.

You can laugh at me for saying I am the smartest person I've ever met. But its true. And that you laugh at me means that you're not a good person and don't know your place. And that you laugh at me makes me hate society that much more. Nevertheless, even if I hate you for laughing at me, its the only honest response I've gotten in this entire thread. Even if its not at all helpful and makes me angrier.

So again, you guys are trying to put this on me. I'm sure pretty much any person on the planet could think of five good things about them, that's a typical therapy thing. My point in asking for five good things about someone else is saying, look, I've been lied to and ********************************ted over and over and over and over again. I've been mistreated by many people and I'm extremely sick of it, so how dare you ask me to say five things that are good about me. How dare you ask me to talk about "an example of one of my theories". This thread, was about how angry I was at all the women who had mistreated me, and how I was angry about being unable to get laid in a sick society. It wasn't about me proving myself in yet another public forum that doesn't actually give a **************** about me or anyone else at all. It was my attempt to reach out to see if anyone on this forum was a decent person, instead of someone who just thought they were a decent person.

I have never met anyone who helped me and wanted nothing in return. Ever. Besides something like holding the door open for me. So that's real easy to say, but I don't believe it. Just like you all laugh at me when I say I'm the smartest person I've ever met, when it should be obvious that I'm better than all of you from my posts. No one tells the truth, no believes anything.

As for raping women, again, if they're going to tease and lie like that, maybe that should happen. And really my point was more, as after, that men end up abusing women for this. There's plenty of abused women out there, and its probably because the men have gotten screwed over by women. So sure, your personal life, might be really easy, and maybe you've never needed sex, but different people are different. And its not okay for a woman to mess around with a guy who goes up to her and says his balls ache and will she have sex with him and date him. I was very serious, and she messed around with me because of it.

In fact that's my point in all of this, I'm a serious person, no one else is.

But here's some reasons why those 5 good things about this country, are not 5 good things about this country. Too many people go hungry when they shouldn't in this country. Saying the standard of living is high here is quite true, but that's kind of the same thing. Its also not as high as it could be for the lower classes, while the rich severely rip people off. I do not believe the legal system is less corrupt. There are places where its worse, but whenever I've talked to people and said, hey, the government is half corrupt, they usually say, no, its the whole government. And that's the legal system as well.

I personally have zero freedoms in my life. I know most people have freedoms as long as they follow the beaten path and watch the tv ads and eat fast food and work their life away for nothing but, I have met enough rich people to know that this country is completely broken. I have always been poor, and I know that education means nothing. I've never had to study in college, and yet I found that, actual work is just politics and ********************************. Education is worthless. So sure, you are free to read books. But the country is not a meritocracy.

But here's some other examples of corruption, etc.. Bankers in great britain were revealed to have committed fraud for ten years and stole something like a trillion dollars from the whole world. It caused recessions in europe, worsened the recession here. I talked to some people in greece who had to drive to germany for work. Because of those bankers that can now buy a few more islands. They were fined something like 200 million. Which was more of a bribe than a fine.

Every company that outsources is essentially a terrorist hurting america. They're cutting people's jobs in america, getting cheap, workers from some other country, cutting health benefits, then taking all the money and hiding it in offshore tax shelters, 30 trillion that's known about. Apple, with its products often marked up more than 8 times the resale value, was revealed to have evaded taxes on 78 billion dollars. They are simply the richest example. Every company does this. I have personally met a handful of CEOs of major corporations in my life. These people, they do nothing. They do not contribute to society. They convince people to buy overpriced crap and rip everyone off coming and going.

I think when most people see some movie with rich people on jets, going to the beach with beautiful women, they think, wow, what a fantasy that movie is. I have personally met people who have lives like that, that they live that way all the time. And I know that they do not deserve those things.

I think people who think this is a good country, want to imagine that they can some day win the lottery, or some day get some table scraps thrown to them by some greedy selfish rich person, and that that's okay. I think people who think this is a good country, imagine it to be so because they watch tv and movies and just ignore the rest, and forget that the wealth in this country is partly from exploiting other countries.

I don't know why I'm even writing this anymore. I think anyone who knows what's up and I'm preaching to the choir, and anyone else is just going to look the other way.

But again, I've really been trying in recent years to hate people, the way I've seen they deserve. I have never gotten anything in life. I have not had decent sex for a decade. And I've been mistreated and lied to by every woman I've ever met. So I think I can safely say, that the women in this country are garbage.

And as I mentioned before, when I've asked people about this, I've been told things by women and men like "oh yeah, all women are kind of like that" or "the lying is the best part". That's bad. Period. That's the issue.

So like I said, I cannot understand how terrible women are. I am in the prime of my "life" and its being wasted because there's nothing available no matter how many times I reach out. And I know enough that... even if you all would like to laugh and blame me for my anger and whatever else, despite the things I said, I think you can tell that I'm way way above average, and that I can be sensible when society is sensible with me. Which hasn't happened yet. So something is seriously wrong that I don't have a girlfriend.

[Stillness]

I would say that you're below average. You may be intelligent in a general sense. Intelligence does not directly correlate to being smart though. Sometimes a person that's not particularly intelligent can successfully play the cards they're dealt because they have a good attitude. Also, there are different kinds of intelligence. Average, and even below average people are able to start and maintain rewarding relationships with other people. The fact that you are not indicates that you have a substantial social deficit.

Unless you plan on becoming a hermit, you need to figure out why so many of us are able to have decent relationships with other people, but you aren't. Some of that has to begin with the awareness that you're not as gifted as you think you are. That's smart. Smart people are willing to learn and adapt because they recognize that they're not where they want to be. They see a goal and work toward it. They don't give up and whine about how bad the world is.

Also, I agree with a lot of what you're saying about societal problems. The thing is that a lot of this stuff is close to common knowledge. It's the information age and unless you're living under a rock you can recognize that the rich get richer, oftentimes at the expense of the poor. That's the way it is. That's the way it's been for a long time. The Occupy movement was global and local news in 2011 and 2012 because of this. So, no, this knowledge alone does not make you above average.

[rcoreyus]

The social issues are important and I would agree that the US has an economic disparity issue. One could have long interesting discussions of possible fixes but that is way off topic for this forum. You should have little trouble finding a forum where people are interested in these issues - I discuss them several places under a different name. (for obvious reasons I keep my login here separate from my other discussion groups).

The effect of economics on you is a reasonable topic here. All I can suggest is that if you want to function in this society you need to develop a skill that you enjoy, that benefits other people and that others are willing to pay for. I know many people who have done this in a variety of fields: engineers, artists, craftsmen, traders, etc. Its not easy though - this takes real work and dedication.

You issue with women does belong here. Many people have happy relationships with women, so the question is why haven't you? Maybe you are expecting an immediate trade in return for what you do? I just did a big (few hours work) favor for a female friend that that I haven't seen in many years, and may not again. A different friend did me a big favor recently. The whole idea of favors is not some sort of trade, but just a general karma-like thing where you try to do good for people and (maybe other) people will do good for you.

Right now though you don't respect women (whatever the reason), and you seem to view sex ad the goal of interacting with women. Why should women do you favors?

You came here for suggestions, and people have spent their time giving them. Honest suggestions, not just sympathy. This is just a online discussion group, no reason for you to take any of our suggestions. Both men and women have responded that they have not seen the same behavior in women that you have seen. I'm sure you can find a discussion group that will support your feelings that women are terrible - but that won't solve your problem.

Your life is your own, but if you stay so angry at women, then your life is going to stay very lonely. If your anger makes you violent, then you may end up in prison - which while not lonely, is really unpleasant. The world is not going to change. You can decide if you want to change or not.

[Emswifty]

Fallenprince,

Read back your posts and I think it should become clear why you've had so much trouble. You need to take responsibility for your part in the breakdown of your relationships instead of blaming everything on woman.

You need to stop holding so much resentment towards women and focus on how you can be happy with and by yourself before trying to start a relationship again. It may also be a good idea to go speak to a therapist to talk out your issues of hate. Especially about your highly disturbing opinions on rape.

[fallprince]

I would say that you're below average. You may be intelligent in a general sense. Intelligence does not directly correlate to being smart though. Sometimes a person that's not particularly intelligent can successfully play the cards they're dealt because they have a good attitude.

********************************. Absolute ********************************. When I was young, I was extremely positive, I was compassionate towards others, I gave of myself, I encouraged others. I realized years later, people were just taking advantage of me, no one gave a **************** about me. This country is apparently about using others, and pretending to be a good person. When someone has "a good attitude" it probably means they're trying to rip you off. That's been my experience, particularly with rich people.

Also, there are different kinds of intelligence. Average, and even below average people are able to start and maintain rewarding relationships with other people. The fact that you are not indicates that you have a substantial social deficit.

No, more ********************************. I don't have a social deficit. Everyone else does. See, because I don't like lying to people, I don't like backstabbing people, I don't like using people. Everyone else does it like its okay, and its not. Society is corrupt and has no values. That's not my deficit. That's society's deficit. That's every girl who has ********************************ted and lied to me, that's some employer who tells me "think rich" and then refuses to pay me. And that's back when I treated everyone like they were my best friend, so don't you dare blame my "bad attitude". You all have the bad attitude.

Unless you plan on becoming a hermit, you need to figure out why so many of us are able to have decent relationships with other people, but you aren't.

Because everyone else is stupid and selfish. I think that's pretty obvious. I give of myself, and people take and give me nothing. I don't know how to do the wrong thing. And you all seem born doing the wrong thing.

Some of that has to begin with the awareness that you're not as gifted as you think you are. That's smart. Smart people are willing to learn and adapt because they recognize that they're not where they want to be. They see a goal and work toward it. They don't give up and whine about how bad the world is.

This is very ****************ing funny. Because I'm actually considerably more talented than I daily feel like, or think I am, because of people like you, who have discouraged me my whole life and told me that the things inflicted on me were my fault. America is a culture of blaming the victim. But you know what, I haven't given up, I just hate people for very good reason.

Also, I agree with a lot of what you're saying about societal problems. The thing is that a lot of this stuff is close to common knowledge. It's the information age and unless you're living under a rock you can recognize that the rich get richer, oftentimes at the expense of the poor. That's the way it is. That's the way it's been for a long time. The Occupy movement was global and local news in 2011 and 2012 because of this. So, no, this knowledge alone does not make you above average.

That you think that that's why I think I'm above average, means you're a total moron. But what's also really funny is that every idiot who uses the internet, thinks they're amazing because they can write on a blog no one reads. Even though very few people can write and fewer should be read. If its still a problem, its still worth mentioning. Its not "the way it is". Its bad. And the rich need to pay.

The effect of economics on you is a reasonable topic here. All I can suggest is that if you want to function in this society you need to develop a skill that you enjoy, that benefits other people and that others are willing to pay for. I know many people who have done this in a variety of fields: engineers, artists, craftsmen, traders, etc. Its not easy though - this takes real work and dedication.

I have a real skill that benefits others. But it doesn't benefit the rich. So no one will pay for it. And it took me decades to develop. I have worked harder than any person I have ever met. But I know there's a lot of mediocre people out there who pay their dues and don't stick out and get to live their little lives. I haven't had that luxury.

You issue with women does belong here. Many people have happy relationships with women, so the question is why haven't you? Maybe you are expecting an immediate trade in return for what you do? I just did a big (few hours work) favor for a female friend that that I haven't seen in many years, and may not again. A different friend did me a big favor recently. The whole idea of favors is not some sort of trade, but just a general karma-like thing where you try to do good for people and (maybe other) people will do good for you.

This is also hilarious. I think I said earlier, I helped a lot people out. A lot of people in small and large ways. Karma is ********************************. The rich prove that. The rich would all be dead if there was any karma. There's no such thing. I have done such good for so many friends and not a single one of them was there for me. So "people will do good for you, if I do good for them", ********************************. Let's see just the good I've already done repaid AT ALL IN ANY WAY. I'm still waiting.

Right now though you don't respect women (whatever the reason), and you seem to view sex ad the goal of interacting with women. Why should women do you favors?

Someone already mentioned this, that they thought I saw sex as the goal, and I said, no I didn't, I wanted a real relationship. Way to read. And I'm not asking women to do me any favors. Presumably women also want to be in relationships? I know I was a great boyfriend years ago. But that's the thing about the "karma" of this upside down world. The better you are to people, the worse they treat you. But besides that, I don't respect women because I've never met a respectable person, male or female... but certainly women lie and tease and mess around, and, well, do a lot of things that aren't respectable.

You came here for suggestions, and people have spent their time giving them. Honest suggestions, not just sympathy. This is just a online discussion group, no reason for you to take any of our suggestions. Both men and women have responded that they have not seen the same behavior in women that you have seen. I'm sure you can find a discussion group that will support your feelings that women are terrible - but that won't solve your problem.

I don't think my problem can be solved, because its society's problem, and society doesn't care. People have not spent their time giving me suggestions, they've just given me their kneejerk misunderstandings of me. Thanks! No I'm kidding, its not helpful at all.

Your life is your own, but if you stay so angry at women, then your life is going to stay very lonely. If your anger makes you violent, then you may end up in prison - which while not lonely, is really unpleasant. The world is not going to change. You can decide if you want to change or not.

I don't think my life is my own. I think my life is trapped in hell by money. Even if I wanted to give up people. And my entire life has been a prison. So, whatever. The world would change, if people gave a ****************, or were decent. But because America is a culture of blaming the victim, nothing changes for the better. The world does get a little worse each day though. Maybe that's karma.

Fallenprince,

Read back your posts and I think it should become clear why you've had so much trouble. You need to take responsibility for your part in the breakdown of your relationships instead of blaming everything on woman.

You need to stop holding so much resentment towards women and focus on how you can be happy with and by yourself before trying to start a relationship again. It may also be a good idea to go speak to a therapist to talk out your issues of hate. Especially about your highly disturbing opinions on rape.

My name is fall prince, as in autumn prince. I'm not fallen because I've never had anything to fall from.

But reading back my posts, I realize that nothing has changed in my life and that everything is just as terrible and that society doesn't take responsibility for anything, but instead blames me for it. Even though, as I've said many times, I wasn't always this angry.

Do you think I was this angry as a baby? Do you think? Do you think I hated people this much in college and after? When I thought the world was great and had so much hope? No. This is after I've been treated like **************** my whole non-"life", by worthless people, just because I was kind and I cared about others.

No, but therapy,that's a great idea. I should talk to some person who's never done in anything in their life, and can't possibly understand me, and they can pretend to listen and give me stupid suggestions, that are more from their own misunderstanding than anything else.

I should have things in life. I should have had things a decade ago. And because I was kind to others and cared about society, I was ignored and given nothing. And now I'm angry.

You all have only yourselves to blame. I am blameless, unless having a conscience is a fault.

[Stillness]

Do you view yourself as a logical person? If not, then don't bother to read what I'm about to write, because it will probably make you angry. I don't want to enrage you any more. But if you are logical than you should be able to rise above your emotions and objectively examine information, correct?

**Do Not Read If You're Not Logical**

Say, for example, a person imagined that he is 5'11" and took a certain pride in being taller than average. He got this idea after someone told him that she was 5'10" and they estimated that he was about an inch taller. But, he goes to his doctor and the doctor measures him at 5'9". He's disappointed at this and so measures himself when he gets home using his own measuring tape. He also gets a measurement of 5'9". Just to be sure he has a friend measure him and arrives at the same height. Since three separate objective measurements give him the same answer, what should he do? Accept that he is 5'9" even though not every single piece of information he has confirms it or insist that everyone and all of the data is flawed except that which lines up with what he wants? If he is reasonable, he'd probably accept what the more precise measurements and even his own analysis has turned up, right?

If you accept that, would you also accept this: A person is having difficulty in a certain area. He is shown a set of symptoms that may explain why. Not necessarily all, but many of his expressions and experiences line up with those symptoms. Should he consider that he may have the disorder that the symptoms describe? If he might have the disorder, should he consider getting help or at least investigate what he could do to help himself?

This is from the Mayo Clinic's website. They're one of the most respected medical establishments in the country. I've blanked out the description so that you won't think I'm accusing you and you can google it for yourself if you want to.


"___symptoms may include:
Believing that you're better than others
Fantasizing about power, success and attractiveness
Exaggerating your achievements or talents
Expecting constant praise and admiration
Believing that you're special and acting accordingly
Failing to recognize other people's emotions and feelings
Expecting others to go along with your ideas and plans
Taking advantage of others
Expressing disdain for those you feel are inferior
Being jealous of others
Believing that others are jealous of you
Trouble keeping healthy relationships
Setting unrealistic goals
Being easily hurt and rejected
Having a fragile self-esteem
Appearing as tough-minded or unemotional

...When you have____you may not want to think that anything could be wrong — doing so wouldn't fit with your self-image of power and perfection. But by definition, a ___ causes problems in many areas of your life, such as relationships, work, school or your financial affairs. You may be generally unhappy and confused by a mix of seemingly contradictory emotions. Others may not enjoy being around you, and you may find your relationships unfulfilling."

[CHANDLERS WISH]

fallprince

Can you see the effort you are putting in the replies?

And, the effort our members are putting into their replies?

Maybe you could consider I don't know how old you are but I can ascertain the age of our main members, just maybe they have some advice you can actually adhere to, think about as wisdom and experience can speak for itself.

Glad you are still with us.