[Stillness]

After the elections, a family member who had stayed in my house, always been polite to me, and babysat my kids told me to "go back to where you came from" because I didn't like Trump being election.

That breaks my heart. Nothing crushes your spirits more than family turning on you.

One of the things that comforts me is history. People have this concept that we're so advanced now, "How could they be so cruel in the past? How could they betray one another? How could they slaughter?" But there is no "they." There's not one evil thing done in the past that's not still going on. But there have always been people resisting it and trying to love and do good.

Up until this point, no matter how bad we've been, the good hasn't left us. I don't believe it ever will. That hope gives me peace.

[jns]

The current administration has been sending people "back" to countries that they have never been in and don't speak the language of.

[DreamP346]

The current administration has been sending people "back" to countries that they have never been in and don't speak the language of.

I know people who have gotten caught in this. The current one, the Clinton one, all of them have been doing this. Again, the debate is not about Trump in this thread. It is about friends who support a man and specifically his agenda that openly promoted hate and prejudice. One of those targets of hate being immigrants.

[DreamP346]

Feeling the way you do is fine. Having an emotional response to those people is not. If someone who was living in MY house said that, I suppose I'd tell them the same thing-go back where ya came from-you won't live here and disrespect me. No stress, just leave. Totally reasonable to do so. Doesn't require a lot of emotional entanglement.

I really don't understand you kitty. A few responses ago you talked about disagreeing and being respectful. Now you talk about throwing somebody out of your house for saying they didn't like Trump being voted.

Also, the person who told me to "go back to where you came from," we were not in his house. It was not a reference to living abodes. It was a reference to what country I originally came from. I made a political statement that wasn't targeted at him, and his response was to attack me personally. That is the post Trump election reaction that I have been dealing with.

I'm going to ask, are you not a naturalized citizen yet? Is this where the fear is stemming from?

What does my citizenship have anything to do with it? Do you only oppose hatred and prejudice if it only impacts your life personally? I hold myself to a higher standard than that. I oppose what I believe is wrong, whether it directly impacts me or not. That is why I refuse to be quiet when prejudicial values are being expressed. I also don't like associating with people who hold such values.

I really don't think, from what I read, that Trump is going to sign something that orders people out without some vetting process

Again, this thread is not about Trump. Why don't we start another tread on him to debate Trump's politics. Its about the hateful message he spread and the people in my life who either agreed with that hateful rhetoric or didn't think it was a big deal.

[DreamP346]

That breaks my heart. Nothing crushes your spirits more than family turning on you.

One of the things that comforts me is history. People have this concept that we're so advanced now, "How could they be so cruel in the past? How could they betray one another? How could they slaughter?" But there is no "they." There's not one evil thing done in the past that's not still going on. But there have always been people resisting it and trying to love and do good.

Up until this point, no matter how bad we've been, the good hasn't left us. I don't believe it ever will. That hope gives me peace.

I'm really trying to see the good in people but I feel like during this election, I got a wake up call that reminded me that I live in my own privileged bubble. That the people around me may not be saying racists or sexists things to me, but they are thinking them. And knowing that really bothers me.

[amy40]

I'm really trying to see the good in people but I feel like during this election, I got a wake up call that reminded me that I live in my own privileged bubble. That the people around me may not be saying racists or sexists things to me, but they are thinking them. And knowing that really bothers me.

sadly, there is prejudice in all of us AND people compare themselves to others all the time
none of us are perfect and all of us on some level have probably put someone down at one time or another, whether we spoke it out loud or not


maybe in a way this is a huge wake up call for everyone to realize their own prejudices
and try to do good where we can and not feed the flame

[Stillness]

maybe in a way this is a huge wake up call for everyone to realize their own prejudices
and try to do good where we can and not feed the flame

Not for everyone.

For some people, this election victory is the next step towards the division they desire, a race war, dominance of their way through eliminating and suppressing others, and/or the past greatness of America. They've been seeing things go in a direction they don't like for a long time and they've been silent, but now is their chance to shine. They're prejudiced, angry, small-minded and proud of it.

I saw a guy in the store the other day with a shirt that said, "If you don't like Trump, you probably won't like me and I'm okay with that." I think the wake up call should also incorporate the fact that that that guy is not a single, crochety old man. He's part of a movement and a global sentiment that is very different from the one that has had cultural dominance in the U.S. up until this point.

[amy40]

I saw a guy in the store the other day with a shirt that said, "If you don't like Trump, you probably won't like me and I'm okay with that." I think the wake up call should also incorporate the fact that that that guy is not a single, crochety old man. He's part of a movement and a global sentiment that is very different from the one that has had cultural dominance in the U.S. up until this point.

what is the global sentiment that you mean?

[atskitty2]

Dream, you wrote: "After the elections, a family member who had stayed in my house, always been polite to me, and babysat my kids told me to "go back to where you came from" because I didn't like Trump being election."
This was what I was referring to: I had read that to mean, that they were staying in your home, living with you, and made that statement to you. I wouldn't allow someone to live in my home and disrespect me that way. That's a bit different from them having a different opinion than mine. A personal attack, mean-spiritedness, and disregard for you is different.
Nevertheless, my apologies, I'd misunderstood your statement.

"What does my citizenship have anything to do with it?" I asked that because I get the sense this is stemming from fear. No insult or attempt at offending you was intended. I'm trying to help here, and figure out whether you're acting out of fear or what.

"Originally posted by atskitty2 View Post
I really don't think, from what I read, that Trump is going to sign something that orders people out without some vetting process



Again, this thread is not about Trump. Why don't we start another tread on him to debate Trump's politics. Its about the hateful message he spread and the people in my life who either agreed with that hateful rhetoric or didn't think it was a big deal."


Again, you brought Trump into this. You even include his name in the title of your post, so why are you so offended that people are referring to it. You've referenced the election and the aftermath, but we aren't allowed to bring into it some other idea regarding Trump? I understand it's his stance and ideas, and you're using his name as the example, but he isn't the founder and creator of racism and bigotry in this country. If you didn't want Trump to be included, why didn't you just title your post without his name, and say you'd discovered friends with racist tendencies and unsupportive immigration beliefs?

With this post, I've tried to explain my former comments. I hope it sheds some light on what I said/meant. I think I'm of little use here to help so I'll not comment further. I've tried reaching out & explaining our common ground, and demonstrate that I do care about what you're experiencing. To put it simply, if you cannot tolerate those friendships, leave them behind. I choose not to wall myself off from others whose backgrounds and beliefs are not my own. Do what's right for you tho'. That's the bottom line.

[Stillness]

what is the global sentiment that you mean?

Reactionary, opposed to pluralism, intolerant