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  • stressed
    Veteran Member
    • Jun 2009
    • 1914

    Originally posted by rcoreyus
    True, and a good point. On the other hand, some of us in that sort of relationship though realize that it becomes more difficult to leave as time goes on. It seems OK to leave a short term relationship because you aren't compatible in bed. After years, or decades it seems very wrong.
    I fully understand that, however, when we are in the beginning of the relationship (first 2-3 years) we think "it's just the start, it will get better, we just haven't found the right method of approach yet, there is time and space for improvement, we love each other". We hope more, even more so when we're young. We don't realize that this can turn out to be a serious problem, we're in love and hope it will get better. On the 4-5th year, if there's no improvement, we start thinking "well, there hasn't been any particular progress, but I'm still in love and want to keep hoping". 10 years and 3 kids later we think "I can't leave now. Sure, sex is awful, but we have a family and I'm still in love".

    However, as it's been said, there has to be work from both sides. This cannot end up well when one is 100% against the other. There have to be signs of understanding and will for change. Otherwise it becomes one-sided and leads to bitterness, frustration and regret.

    Originally posted by pittsburgh44

    Yesterday when she got home, I made a nice little joke (i thought it was funny lol) when we stopped to pick up food and drinks and she reached for a straw and i said "would you like me to show you how to use that", then we both laughed and she said "you're a funny fu**er", and then said "you know those comments actually bother me" and i said "you know that what you don't do has been bothering me and by me making jokes, it's just another way that i try to bring to your attention things that are still issues with me".

    She went on to say "well, you know where i stand on the issue".

    Well again I got 1-2 hours of sleep because i was starring and "pointing" at the ceiling all night! I honestly wish there was a pill to kill my sex drive!
    That's just awful. "You know where I stand on the issue"? You tell her it bothers you and she says that instead? That's nasty. Plus, all you know about it is that she just hasn't done it before and doesn't ever want to try it, not WHY. That's not having an opinion, that's being closed-minded.

    She has to tell you why. If she's too embarrassed to tell you directly then she can write you a letter about it. Tell her it's not just because you want this, but it also hurts you personally as this almost reaches the point of her being repulsed by the idea, which is not healthy in your relationship. It's as if she indirectly offends your masculinity by keeping away from that area.

    Maybe it's not a serious problem to other couples, but when this is something you want as bad as to keep you up all night, it is something that has to be solved. The longer you go without it, the longer you will be thinking about it and thinking of other solutions to get it. Years later another girl might offer you that and you will find it very hard to resist. It might become an obsession. I don't see why she cannot understand this, and I'm not saying she must be forced to do it if she doesn't want to, but I do believe she owes you some kind of explanation.

    Originally posted by pittsburgh44

    I just keep thinking that everybody has an issue or two with their S.O. that they can't change and i just see this as something i might have to accept. I know I know, i shouldn't have to, i guess i'm just trying to find comfort in talking about it (just trying a new approach!).
    This is very true. 99% of us have one issue or another with out SO. Everybody I know does, or is divorced, or single. If it's not sex it's something else. Always. But the thing is, to have to deal with an issue we can stand or work with. If it's something that tears us apart, keeps us from sleeping, makes us angry, hurts us every day, then we have to wonder if it is worth staying or not. If we do all we can to make the other understand what we're going through but they don't listen or even make a small step back, then it can't work.

    You can't be happy all 365 days of the year with your partner, but she must be understanding, caring and willing to meet in the middle when it comes to issues that bother you every single day. You are the one who's supposed to satisfy your partner's needs, but your partner must also satisfy yours.

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    • stressed
      Veteran Member
      • Jun 2009
      • 1914

      Originally posted by pittsburgh44
      thanks again for your input and the # i've been with wasn't me trying to brag (I don't need online accolades lol), but was trying to show the difference between her and I in regards to experience. But seriously, thanks again.
      As it has been mentioned before, it seems as if the one who has had the most partners in the relationship is also the one who wants more sex. I don't know if it has to do with the 'experienced' partner wanting sex more than the 'inexperienced' one, or if the 'inexperienced' one realizes the "gap", becomes intimidated and loses confidence. As in "I bet all those ex'es were much better than me, since I haven't been in the sport as much, so why try for".

      But experience has nothing to do with how you perform with your current partner. You both have to take it from zero. People like different things, they react differently. Maybe your fiance knows you're far more experienced than her and this affects her. Just a wild guess.

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      • pittsburgh44
        Member
        • May 2010
        • 59

        Originally posted by stressed
        I fully understand that, however, when we are in the beginning of the relationship (first 2-3 years) we think "it's just the start, it will get better, we just haven't found the right method of approach yet, there is time and space for improvement, we love each other". We hope more, even more so when we're young. We don't realize that this can turn out to be a serious problem, we're in love and hope it will get better. On the 4-5th year, if there's no improvement, we start thinking "well, there hasn't been any particular progress, but I'm still in love and want to keep hoping". 10 years and 3 kids later we think "I can't leave now. Sure, sex is awful, but we have a family and I'm still in love".

        However, as it's been said, there has to be work from both sides. This cannot end up well when one is 100% against the other. There have to be signs of understanding and will for change. Otherwise it becomes one-sided and leads to bitterness, frustration and regret.



        That's just awful. "You know where I stand on the issue"? You tell her it bothers you and she says that instead? That's nasty. Plus, all you know about it is that she just hasn't done it before and doesn't ever want to try it, not WHY. That's not having an opinion, that's being closed-minded.

        She has to tell you why. If she's too embarrassed to tell you directly then she can write you a letter about it. Tell her it's not just because you want this, but it also hurts you personally as this almost reaches the point of her being repulsed by the idea, which is not healthy in your relationship. It's as if she indirectly offends your masculinity by keeping away from that area.

        Maybe it's not a serious problem to other couples, but when this is something you want as bad as to keep you up all night, it is something that has to be solved. The longer you go without it, the longer you will be thinking about it and thinking of other solutions to get it. Years later another girl might offer you that and you will find it very hard to resist. It might become an obsession. I don't see why she cannot understand this, and I'm not saying she must be forced to do it if she doesn't want to, but I do believe she owes you some kind of explanation.



        This is very true. 99% of us have one issue or another with out SO. Everybody I know does, or is divorced, or single. If it's not sex it's something else. Always. But the thing is, to have to deal with an issue we can stand or work with. If it's something that tears us apart, keeps us from sleeping, makes us angry, hurts us every day, then we have to wonder if it is worth staying or not. If we do all we can to make the other understand what we're going through but they don't listen or even make a small step back, then it can't work.

        You can't be happy all 365 days of the year with your partner, but she must be understanding, caring and willing to meet in the middle when it comes to issues that bother you every single day. You are the one who's supposed to satisfy your partner's needs, but your partner must also satisfy yours.
        are you single?


        Thanks a lot for the advice and I've actually realized that I truly HAVE said everything i could say to her and always bring up every, single, day, why, i, didn't, sleep, last, night............every day, same story.

        I'm going to say that I want us to go to a sex counselor (if they even exist) with her. Knowing the way it's going to play out what will happen is i say "sex counselor" and then:

        "we'll it's not 1 sided, I don't want to go to a counselor and have them tell me how bad of a person i am, why don't we go to a marriage counselor so we both can get something out of it" and then what i have an issue with will be forgotten about again!

        I'll give it a shot today anyway and see how that works out

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        • pittsburgh44
          Member
          • May 2010
          • 59

          Originally posted by stressed
          As it has been mentioned before, it seems as if the one who has had the most partners in the relationship is also the one who wants more sex. I don't know if it has to do with the 'experienced' partner wanting sex more than the 'inexperienced' one, or if the 'inexperienced' one realizes the "gap", becomes intimidated and loses confidence. As in "I bet all those ex'es were much better than me, since I haven't been in the sport as much, so why try for".

          But experience has nothing to do with how you perform with your current partner. You both have to take it from zero. People like different things, they react differently. Maybe your fiance knows you're far more experienced than her and this affects her. Just a wild guess.

          Nope, my past doesn't bother her at all, because, in her mind, she's marrying me, she has what she wants and it appears "doesn't care what i want, SEXUALLY" everything else she cares wholeheartedly.

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          • StillLearnin
            Veteran Member
            • Oct 2009
            • 260

            Originally posted by pittsburgh44
            in her mind, she's marrying me, she has what she wants and it appears "doesn't care what i want, SEXUALLY" everything else she cares wholeheartedly.
            It's one sided. My wife was the exact same way for decades.
            As long as she's happy that's all she ever cared about. Yours will be the same.

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            • Hopeless Dork
              Veteran Member
              • Dec 2008
              • 4255

              Originally posted by pittsburgh44
              i got ya...


              I just keep thinking that everybody has an issue or two with their S.O. that they can't change and i just see this as something i might have to accept. I know I know, i shouldn't have to, i guess i'm just trying to find comfort in talking about it (just trying a new approach!).

              thanks though
              Everyone DOES have minor to major issues with their SO... no one has a partner that is exactly built to their specification. Good outweighs , less good... etc. But there are some fundamentals that make a relationship work... one is actually wanting it to work, and because of that.. making small sacrafices that wont cause you pain to make the other person happy at least SOME of the time.

              If only one partner is making sacrafices, you in this case, and the other doesnt care what you are giving up... resentment will build.


              Lots of people sign up for sexless relationships hoping to change their partner. Whether that thought pattern is realistic, hopeful, or dillusional is dependent on the signs their partner has given that they are willing to compromise, communicate and work WITH you and bringing each other closer, happier.. etc.

              If one partner has dug their feet in the sand (on any issue), won't bude, has said they won't budge... guess what -- they're probably not gonna budge.

              You're talking about takeing pills to kill your drive. Thats extreme. You should talk to her about that, maybe it will be the wake up call that she needs to realize what all you are preparing to give up to make her happy.

              Its not just about a disinterest in sex, its about a willingness to listen to you, talk to you, to try to make you happy too.

              If you don't have that... my guess is sex won't be the only thing they control.
              Scars remind us of where we've been...they don't have to dictate where we're going.

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              • brownlover
                Member
                • May 2010
                • 18

                I know this might sound silly, but ask one of her girlfriends from this bar if they'd be willing to do a How-To session with her. Maybe she's embarrassed about not knowing how to do it right, so she doesn't want to do it at all. I've been there. It took several tries before gaining confidence in BJ's where you take control of the situation and get the job done. So enlist a third party that she trusts to help. There are even parties you can throw, similar to a tupperware party, where a "specialist" comes over and shows a group of girls the how to's.

                But i dont think you can go the next 50+ yrs of your life living like this... if she doesn't change it up, you will lose your mind and maybe not cheat or leave her, but you will be forced to get your kicks somehow else!

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                • stressed
                  Veteran Member
                  • Jun 2009
                  • 1914

                  Originally posted by pittsburgh44
                  are you single?
                  Have been engaged for a year (4 years together) and currently, more or less, going through what you are Only (major) difference is that he realizes the problem, understands I can't be happy the way things are and has improved over the years. His job and three shifts do affect us greatly. Plus, he tends to give straights answers, so we take little parts here and there every once in a while and try to improve them. But I must say, our sex life was non-existent the first 2 years (he's 37, I'm 25). This is why I encourage you to keep trying. I thought I had no chance at all, but it gets a little better with time and communication.

                  Originally posted by pittsburgh44
                  I'm going to say that I want us to go to a sex counselor (if they even exist) with her. Knowing the way it's going to play out what will happen is i say "sex counselor" and then:

                  "we'll it's not 1 sided, I don't want to go to a counselor and have them tell me how bad of a person i am, why don't we go to a marriage counselor so we both can get something out of it" and then what i have an issue with will be forgotten about again!

                  I'll give it a shot today anyway and see how that works out
                  I think sex counselors do exist, or at least counselors who specialize in sexual issues. If I recall correctly, there was a poster the other day saying about how he went to such a counselor with his wife. Counseling is an excellent idea and I don't think it will matter whether it's a sex or a marriage counselor, I think the issue will be addressed anyway. I really hope she agrees, as you definitely need it.

                  Originally posted by pittsburgh44
                  Nope, my past doesn't bother her at all, because, in her mind, she's marrying me, she has what she wants and it appears "doesn't care what i want, SEXUALLY" everything else she cares wholeheartedly.
                  Hmmm... if she doesn't care about what you want sexually, at all, then she doesn't realize how important sex is in a relationship, probably because it's not important to her.

                  You want sex, she does not. Marriage means sex. You are only allowed to have sex with your spouse when you are married. Just because she doesn't want sex does not mean you are also going to stop wanting it because she doesn't offer it. This is a bad equation.

                  Are her friends single? Do you think she could be influenced by them? Was she raised in a conservative environment? Why did she break up with her ex'es?

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                  • pittsburgh44
                    Member
                    • May 2010
                    • 59

                    Originally posted by stressed
                    Have been engaged for a year (4 years together) and currently, more or less, going through what you are Only (major) difference is that he realizes the problem, understands I can't be happy the way things are and has improved over the years. His job and three shifts do affect us greatly. Plus, he tends to give straights answers, so we take little parts here and there every once in a while and try to improve them. But I must say, our sex life was non-existent the first 2 years (he's 37, I'm 25). This is why I encourage you to keep trying. I thought I had no chance at all, but it gets a little better with time and communication.



                    I think sex counselors do exist, or at least counselors who specialize in sexual issues. If I recall correctly, there was a poster the other day saying about how he went to such a counselor with his wife. Counseling is an excellent idea and I don't think it will matter whether it's a sex or a marriage counselor, I think the issue will be addressed anyway. I really hope she agrees, as you definitely need it.



                    Hmmm... if she doesn't care about what you want sexually, at all, then she doesn't realize how important sex is in a relationship, probably because it's not important to her.

                    You want sex, she does not. Marriage means sex. You are only allowed to have sex with your spouse when you are married. Just because she doesn't want sex does not mean you are also going to stop wanting it because she doesn't offer it. This is a bad equation.

                    Are her friends single? Do you think she could be influenced by them? Was she raised in a conservative environment? Why did she break up with her ex'es?

                    Raised in a normal household, nothing out of the norm with her breakups etc...

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                    • StillLearnin
                      Veteran Member
                      • Oct 2009
                      • 260

                      Was she ever raped or abused by her father, uncle, brothers, or cousins?
                      Does she ever orgasm when you have sex?
                      Does she masturbate?

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