[Goodgirl93]

Men are a bit different than women. Most of them. A lot of men will have sex with whoever is willing if no one better is around. A lot of my buddies do that or have done that in the past.

I will never understand how guys can do that,one night stands,no strings attached,screwing anything just to get an hour or less of pleasure.I mean I have made out with guys,one time thing,life goes on,but I can't even kiss a guy if i'm not attracted to him mentally and atleast somewhat physically. I don't know how guys do it. I give you all kudos for sure. lol

[Goodgirl93]

Haha...I am the "him". I'm the dude!

LMAO,wowwwww well I just woke up from a long night. So um,My bad! hahaha :P

[a_dub]

The same applies to my boyfriend,If he doesn't find you attractive,He can't get a hard on no matter how hard he tries. Luckily I get him hard easily. lol

But in all honesty,If you have a high drive,and all he wants to do is use his hand,even though u offer to use ur mouth,hand,"Ect",than there is obviously something wrong. But he wouldn't be with you if he didn't find u attractive,there is something else to that.just talk to him,go from there and hopefully things get better sweetums

Haha...I am the "him". I'm the dude!

Men are a bit different than women. Most of them. A lot of men will have sex with whoever is willing if no one better is around. A lot of my buddies do that or have done that in the past. The way a woman can tell is if a man is having sex with you, but refuses to kiss or make out, he's not that attracted to you. Just because he kisses you, doesn't mean he loves you, but he has to at least find you hot to kiss you during sex. If he just pounds away, he's basically masturbating with your vagina. Thats how I am. Thats how some of my boys are. I'm sure it doesn't apply to all men, but I'd imagine most men are like that. Right boys?

[Goodgirl93]

For me, physical attractiveness is kind of important and I can't get a hard on unless I think she's hot, physically speaking.

Now if I had a beautiful woman who was willing to have sex, would I even think of masturbating? no!

The same applies to my boyfriend,If he doesn't find you attractive,He can't get a hard on no matter how hard he tries. Luckily I get him hard easily. lol

But in all honesty,If you have a high drive,and all he wants to do is use his hand,even though u offer to use ur mouth,hand,"Ect",than there is obviously something wrong. But he wouldn't be with you if he didn't find u attractive,there is something else to that.just talk to him,go from there and hopefully things get better sweetums

[a_dub]

I've never got that about men. You will have 10 fighting over the hottest girl, the one that just wants your money, the one that makes it clear you not her type... while there are 9 other girls that are almost as pretty, 10 times as sweet and actually interested in them.

They're never "almost as pretty". Men have varying tastes, if the other girls are even 2/3 as hot as the dime, seven of those guys are gonna forget the alpha chick and go for the others. And plenty of guys do go for average looking girls, realizing the dame is either a .. or not a realistic option.

So I have little pity for the 'nice guy' curse, because whenever i see it in action its usually the dillusional guy curse... same goes for women that have been 'treated bad' in every relationship, yet refuse to date any guy that doesn't make it clear up front he's a womanizer dirt bag.

I'll agree here. I am most probably delusional. I'm only an average looking guy, but I want 7s and 8s (if not a 10). Why should I expect that? I dunno. Just the way I am.

Why be with a real woman, that is only average in looks, that will take care of you when you are sick, that will cuddle you after a long hard day and rub your shoulders and be supportive when you can look at a full on jessica biel look-a-like on a monitor? Different strokes for different folks.

Again, call me crazy, but at this point in life I'd rather hope against hope to end up with a really cute girl. I don't need a Victoria Secret model, but someone cute regardless. One day, when I'm 50, if I'm still single, I can always reassess my situation.

I can put a brad pit poster over my bed and fantasize about him night and day, but I'd much rather be with a real man, that looks nothing like brad pitt, that will hold me in his arms and kiss my head when I need it most.

If I can't have Angelina, I'll beat off to her instead. For now at least.

[a_dub]

In conclusion, for me at least, I cannot understand why a man would want to use his own hands rather than have the soft hands/mouth/vagina of his female partner bringing him off. There's no competition.

I guess I'm one of the guys who would fall into this category of people. And here's the rationale although I believe most men (99%) aren't like me.

Now I haven't been with many women in my lifetime, and I haven't been with anyone in almost 2 years. But the girls I have been with, were on average 5s (out of 10). For me, physical attractiveness is kind of important and I can't get a hard on unless I think she's hot, physically speaking. I don't need perfect 10s, but 7s on up are nice. But I've never had the ability to pull girls who are 7s.

So even when I was in a relationship I found myself tugging it quite a bit, and eventually came to prefer it to the girls themselves.

Why?

Its because when I jerk myself off, I've never "been" with a girl who was less than an 8.

Now if I had a beautiful woman who was willing to have sex, would I even think of masturbating? no!

In conclusion, for me at least, I cannot understand why a man would want to use his own hands rather than have the soft hands/mouth/vagina of his female partner bringing him off. There's no competition.

[Hopeless Dork]

I just don't kill my appetite with "Junkfood" when I know the Banquet is "waiting" at home.

If you'll notice, the main women complaining about porn and masturbation are also stating that their needs aren't being met. The man is leaving the fridge empty and picking up fast food on the way home from work every night and glaring blankly when the woman says she's hungry. He already ate, he doesn't understand what the fuss is all about that the fridge is empty lol.

So take note, its not a double standard -- its the very point your making that I quoted that most women complaining are complaining about... its that their 'banquet' goes to waste day in, day out because their man is being a dollar menunaire.

Women that are happy with their sex life, are not going to be upset their guy masturbates. Its the women that aren't getting any, that will feel slighted, hurt, crushed and cheated when he is heavily focused on porn and masturbation.

[Hopeless Dork]

I am a white male in my early 50s. During my "dating " years 15-49, I was rejected for a countless number of reasons that I won't go into here. Guys like us (the "too nice guys") sort of realized with the advent of the Internet that we can "get-off" without the complications of a real relationship. It's a win-win for us. I cannot relate to actually touching, or being touched by, another real human person. So I am happy being a "friend" to women and a buddy to my male friends. I leave the 90% of women who want to be with the 10% of men alone. It seems to make everyone happy. As for any woman who thinks otherwise, maybe paying attention to guys like me in our prime years may have made a difference (although not realistic). But really, if your interested in those of us guys over 40, I suggest you look for alternatives. I for one, can't imagine anything else than having sex with a Jessica Beil look-a-like over the Internet She doesn't cost me anything to date, she cannot break my heart, she cannot cheat on me and she cannot take 3/4 of what I earned over my lifetime.
I simply get off and close the window now. My only regret is that I've heard that most women cannot enjoy masturbation over getting near one of us "undesirables". Believe me, try it first. We are really not worth it. And I really hate being looked as being so creepy that I disgust you. If you've noticed, we really are not trying to hit on you just because we talk to you. I gtg, I have a porn site to visit.

Some of the nice guys that get picked over and left out have a habit of focusing their attention on unnatainable women. They complain about never being picked first at dodgeball but won't dare dream of focusing attention on the 7 or 8 in the room whenever there is a 10 in there as well.

I've never got that about men. You will have 10 fighting over the hottest girl, the one that just wants your money, the one that makes it clear you not her type... while there are 9 other girls that are almost as pretty, 10 times as sweet and actually interested in them.

So I have little pity for the 'nice guy' curse, because whenever i see it in action its usually the dillusional guy curse... same goes for women that have been 'treated bad' in every relationship, yet refuse to date any guy that doesn't make it clear up front he's a womanizer dirt bag.

Why be with a real woman, that is only average in looks, that will take care of you when you are sick, that will cuddle you after a long hard day and rub your shoulders and be supportive when you can look at a full on jessica biel look-a-like on a monitor? Different strokes for different folks.

I can put a brad pit poster over my bed and fantasize about him night and day, but I'd much rather be with a real man, that looks nothing like brad pitt, that will hold me in his arms and kiss my head when I need it most.

Not passing judgement on you, its all personal choices. I just think you're barking up the wrong tree assuming that women having a rough go being second to porn were the same ones rejecting the nice guy in their prime. Those chicks have probably long since found their sucker and are living the real houswives of orange county lifestyle. Since the ones the 'nice guy' syndrome guys fall for are the unnatainable b words lol. Just my nickel.

[CHANDLERS WISH]

Oh pftttt, I don't think the majority of women here disagree totally with men masturbating, well I hope not, in any event. I see nothing at all wrong with it.

I am sure that I have read countless of threads, where women have said, as long as it isn't effecting "their" sex life, a point Jim states in his post as well.

I think that is the point there.. The thread Title states " prefer masturbation to sex" that suggests that they either don't like intimacy, don't like women and have been burnt before, non trust and sex/intimacy leads to some form of a relationship, or they like the idea of a quick fix with out alot of work more so, than giving and receiving...

Sex is supposed to be intimate, a bond between two people as well as "at that moment" situations.. So if a man and that's the topic here so no double standards , prefers masturbation over sex, give me another reason why if not the above ?