[Fire(m)]

Well another thing women want is to be pursued. Now I don't consider myself to be a jerk, BUT what I noticed was that some of the prettiest girls used to end up with TOTAL JERKS. I figured out that the reason they ended up with these jerks was because the Jerk ASKED them out.

When I figured this out, I stopped only asking out women who I thought were in my "League" so to speak. I asked out any woman who glanced at me and who I thought I would enjoy going out with. The result was that I was amazingly fortunate getting dates from BEAUTIFUL women and women who frankly I couldn't imagine dating me. I'm not ugly, nor do I consider myself good looking...kinda middle-of-the-road in the looks dept.

In the end I married "UP"...hehe. I've always been proud of my wife so that probably means that she sunk down a few levels to have me. I know the world is a different place nowadays in that women are more assertive about going after what they want, but I'm pretty sure that my theory would still hold water.

Cheers.

[talk time]

I think it is the challenge, to tame the wild beast so to speak. When you are young nice guys just seem too easy. It is the job of the youth to be rebellious and hence the attraction to the bad boy.

It is not until you get a bit older that you realise that bad boys are just too much hard work. I have had my share of the bad type and now are more attracted to nice guys with just a little hint of bad boy qualities to keep me interested.

tt

[bluesapphire315]

I agree. Its a challenge thing. Alot of girls like the challenge of trying to "mold" the guy into something they aren't and over time, doesn't last. Nice guys don't need to be molded and therefore, not a challenge.

Not all girls like jerks, but there is a good amount that do.

I personally love nice guys and I am engaged to one

[miffed23]

Well another thing women want is to be pursued. Now I don't consider myself to be a jerk, BUT what I noticed was that some of the prettiest girls used to end up with TOTAL JERKS. I figured out that the reason they ended up with these jerks was because the Jerk ASKED them out.

When I figured this out, I stopped only asking out women who I thought were in my "League" so to speak. I asked out any woman who glanced at me and who I thought I would enjoy going out with. The result was that I was amazingly fortunate getting dates from BEAUTIFUL women and women who frankly I couldn't imagine dating me. I'm not ugly, nor do I consider myself good looking...kinda middle-of-the-road in the looks dept.

In the end I married "UP"...hehe. I've always been proud of my wife so that probably means that she sunk down a few levels to have me. I know the world is a different place nowadays in that women are more assertive about going after what they want, but I'm pretty sure that my theory would still hold water.

Cheers.

Yea, i agree... its an attention thing mixed up with the challenge thing , jerks generally ooze confidence on the outside (yet, completely shallow and possibly insecure on the inside) and they stand out more so than the quieter, shy type male.

So, referring to what fire has posted - my advice to all you placid, tasteful 'nice' men is, be more confident - you could easily land yourself a hotty

[Richard S]

Don't get me started on this.

A "Nice Guy" is a man who sees women as a beautiful, spiritual beings, and that if he is valiant, chivalrous, and good-hearted, she will succumb to his charms and he will win her affections. He worries about things like how the manner in which a woman plays her part in the courtship ritual is a reflection of how she feels towards you, and, perhaps more importantly, how she feels about herself. Above all else, the Nice Guy wants to Do The Right Thing with regards to his dealings with women. He doesn't just want to get laid, he wants the existential victory. Ironically, he is almost let down when a woman gives in, because at that point he has to let go of all the pristine abstractions and deal with the very real and messy emotions that women are capable of. He is ever mindful of the "Amok Time" Star Trek episode where Spock says, "Be aware that having a thing is not always as pleasing an experience as wanting it. It is not logical, but it is often true."

A "Jerk" is a man who sees women as flawed, imperfect beings that make decisions regarding men for all sorts of flawed, imperfect, sometimes superficial reasons, and there's really no point in trying to figure it out. He knows that if a woman allows herself to be taken advantage of, that's a choice she made, since we're all adults here. He knows what qualities he has that attract women, and, perhaps more importantly, he knows how to spot the women who are looking for the "type" that he falls into. Above all else, he understands that casual sex comes first, and maybe if things work out, a relationship comes later, and sees nothing wrong with this. He is happy and at peace with the whole process of flirting and seduction. He feels bad if the occasional heart gets broken, but in the end that's just part of the game, and he loves the game, because when he wins, the rewards are among the sweetest life has to offer.

Does that answer your question?

[maz33]

Also, nice guys are too considerate, gentle, and caring. That is what women will say they want, but what they really want is to be slapped, bent over a counter and shagged, to be treated as an object and dominated.

Until they grow up a bit anyway.

ed


I think we want all of these things. Yeah I want to be be "bent over a counter and shagged" but preferably by a nice, considerate, gentle (when necessary) guy who happens to be a god in the sex department. We don't ask for much!

[CHANDLERS WISH]

Don't get me started on this.

A "Nice Guy" is a man who sees women as a beautiful, spiritual beings, and that if he is valiant, chivalrous, and good-hearted, she will succumb to his charms and he will win her affections. He worries about things like how the manner in which a woman plays her part in the courtship ritual is a reflection of how she feels towards you, and, perhaps more importantly, how she feels about herself. Above all else, the Nice Guy wants to Do The Right Thing with regards to his dealings with women. He doesn't just want to get laid, he wants the existential victory. Ironically, he is almost let down when a woman gives in, because at that point he has to let go of all the pristine abstractions and deal with the very real and messy emotions that women are capable of. He is ever mindful of the "Amok Time" Star Trek episode where Spock says, "Be aware that having a thing is not always as pleasing an experience as wanting it. It is not logical, but it is often true."

A "Jerk" is a man who sees women as flawed, imperfect beings that make decisions regarding men for all sorts of flawed, imperfect, sometimes superficial reasons, and there's really no point in trying to figure it out. He knows that if a woman allows herself to be taken advantage of, that's a choice she made, since we're all adults here. He knows what qualities he has that attract women, and, perhaps more importantly, he knows how to spot the women who are looking for the "type" that he falls into. Above all else, he understands that casual sex comes first, and maybe if things work out, a relationship comes later, and sees nothing wrong with this. He is happy and at peace with the whole process of flirting and seduction. He feels bad if the occasional heart gets broken, but in the end that's just part of the game, and he loves the game, because when he wins, the rewards are among the sweetest life has to offer.

Does that answer your question?

Wow.... No matter how old you get, reminders of reality is great, when single...

What would be prefect is a slight combination of the two, leaving out the "casual sex and no ending"....

CW

[Guest]

He feels bad if the occasional heart gets broken, but in the end that's just part of the game, and he loves the game, because when he wins, the rewards are among the sweetest life has to offer.

That is until he met me. Then he became the heart-breakee.

what they really want is to be slapped, bent over a counter and shagged, to be treated as an object and dominated.

Until they grow up a bit anyway.

Hahaha! Well bend over then, Anon. Lol!

[Discostu55]

K thanx everyone, now i know why that chcik invited me over to her house after i was mean to her lol

[Sweet Lady]

Also, nice guys are too considerate, gentle, and caring. That is what women will say they want, but what they really want is to be slapped, bent over a counter and shagged, to be treated as an object and dominated.

Until they grow up a bit anyway.

Nail on the head Anon!!!

I love what was said on the movie extras 'Two Can Play that Game". Quote "I want a respectable, sexy woman (in the public eye), but I want a hoe in bed".
It works for ladies too!!