[Guest]

I agree with OTYA, it is the same as a "real woman", someone who can un-conditionally love themselves for whom they are internally and therefore, everything else flows... respect, being one of them.

CW

Obviously, I believe what I stated to be true for women as well.

When you find yourself, things have a way of falling into place.

[OG612]

This is true, but I have a question. If a guy doesn't have women following him in his life, does that make him 'not' a real man? For instance, lets say a guy is great, successful, responsible for himself, etc...yet lacks women just dropping in on his life per say. Again, does that make him NOT a real man?

Some guys prefer solitude and don't want to be "bothered" by being in relationships with women.

I ask this because there are so many books, classes, etc.. out there that are designed to show guys how to go on dates, how to treat a women, what to say what not to say and more. Obviously, these guys have to do something different thats not part of them or there personality in order to attract a women. Is that considered luring a women into there lives? Are people that participate in these activities or read these books not real men?

What do you guys think?

First off, don't believe most the shat that's out there. I've heard all of these supposed "gurus" spout the same garbage for years. I'm deep within the Pickup Artist community as a Deep Game coach and Hypnotic Game Master. I've done more work with guys correcting stuff that was either flat out bullshat or just bad habits that were impressed upon them by these same "gurus" who can't lead the kind of lifestyle you describe above because they lack what it takes to keep these women interested.

For the most part, their idea of "treating a woman nicely" is giving her a backhanded compliment and then playing some ridiculous game to get her to pay for his drink.

Just because you're not rolling out with a harem every night of the week doesn't mean you're "not a real man."

If you want some tips on how to get this lifestyle, and maintain it, then shoot me a private message and we'll talk.

OG

[Livelaughlove]

Are you a male looking for advice?

Or a female looking for clarification?

This is true, but I have a question. If a guy doesn't have women following him in his life, does that make him 'not' a real man? For instance, lets say a guy is great, successful, responsible for himself, etc...yet lacks women just dropping in on his life per say. Again, does that make him NOT a real man?

No single "ITEM" can determine a persons status. I dont see how anyone can think it will.

I ask this because there are so many books, classes, etc.. out there that are designed to show guys how to go on dates, how to treat a women, what to say what not to say and more.

Believe it or not! I would say 80% of people who offer these classes and books have no clue how to have a successful relationship. They just see desperate people, See a need and then fill it because they know they will dish out the money!

Obviously, these guys have to do something different thats not part of them or there personality in order to attract a women. Is that considered luring a women into there lives? Are people that participate in these activities or read these books not real men?

What do you guys think?

Again, there is no magic pill or technique or "pick up line" that will get a girl!

The only thing successful men know that unsuccessful men dont is you cant be afraid of fail to succeed.

I consider myself a very attractive man! When i was in my teens I had many women come up to me and flirt however I was always afraid to say anything that might offend the girl so I always just brushed it off.

Women have it easier then men all they have to do is say yes or no to the advances. However, men need to make the advance so if you dont ever push yourself to speak to women you will be alone for the remainder of your life!

Men have to understand something.

WOMEN WANT SEX! WOMEN WANT TO BE DESIRED!

Thinking that women are delicate creatures that should be admired are the teachings of every mother to her son, but this goes with my theory of women not knowing what they want!

• No matter what their self-proclaimed sexual orientation, they showed, on the whole, strong and swift genital arousal when the screen offered men with men, women with women and women with men… And with the women, especially the straight women, mind and genitals seemed scarcely to belong to the same person. The readings from the plethysmograph and the keypad weren’t in much accord.” New York Times article titled “What Do Women Want - Discovering What Ignites Female Desire” Meaning women can think one thing and FEEL ANOTHER!

So listening to women about how to treat women is like drilling a hole in water!

As long as they don't attend " How to seduce a Woman" rather, how to date, treat women, then what ever they learn, assists in the knowing of what a woman is and how she thinks and how she should be treated..
CW

Sorry CW, But what you said pretty much proves my point of what i said above.

If you stimulate a women emotionally her body will follow! But in NO way should EVER treat a women with disrespect to get them in bed. However, you shouldn't treat her like a god either orelse she will see herself as one and control the relationship

The word seduce means to manipulate and lie to get a women in bed! I prefer attract.

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[CHANDLERS WISH]

MrLLL

Believe it or not! I would say 80% of people who offer these classes and books have no clue how to have a successful relationship. They just see desperate people, See a need and then fill it because they know they will dish out the money!

Aha.. Yessum, I will play

I firstly, totally agree with this, after all it's a "job" that they hope will make them millionairres and they more than likely copy half of what someone else wrote and change the wordings.

Sorry CW, But what you said pretty much proves my point of what i said above.

If you stimulate a women emotionally her body will follow! But in NO way should EVER treat a women with disrespect to get them in bed. However, you shouldn't treat her like a god either orelse she will see herself as one and control the relationship

Did we have this discussion a year ago?

The word seduce means to manipulate and lie to get a women in bed! I prefer attract

Exactly...

And, as the other poster is talking about what he reads, I am reminded of a dating site, which had a link " How to seduce a woman" or 10 ways, or something very simular and having read it all I cracked up laughing, having just had some jerk trying that all on me.

"You will not be un-attractive to her, if you hold her gaze, smile, sit forward, show your listening", etc, etc, etc, all of a sudden she will see you differently.

And whalla you get to score...

That really urks me.... somewhat......

The word seduce means to manipulate and lie to get a women in bed! I prefer attract.

Yessum... to the above...

[LanaBear]

"You will not be un-attractive to her, if you hold her gaze, smile, sit forward, show your listening", etc, etc, etc, all of a sudden she will see you differently.

And whalla you get to score...

And sadly it's a rather pathetic perception that a lot of poor fools fall for...

[CHANDLERS WISH]

Absolutely.... I am really passionate about this Lana.

There was so much more I read but like 1 year ago is along time, I could easily google and paste, but what's the point?

What saddens me more, is that generally these women are lost souls, so searching for love and fall hook line and sinker, only to get depressed, hurt and shattered after the event has occured.

I understand, if it's not meant to be, rada, rada, rada... Don't get me wrong...

I am purely and only talking about a particular site that is not part of OG or LLL's training, at all. That, tells these guys how to "con a woman" in short... to get her into bed.

Thank god I am worldly and old haha... Young I mean.

CW

[LanaBear]

I am purely and only talking about a particular site that is not part of OG or LLL's training, at all. That, tells these guys how to "con a woman" in short... to get her into bed.

And you can absolutely tell the difference. If others felt/thought the way those two (and a few others here )do, the world would be a different place. It's unfortunate really, that their way of thinking in regards to women is not the norm, but we do have some good one's on here at least. If it was the norm, there would be a lot more happier women.

[CHANDLERS WISH]

LOL.. Yessum, and I forgot Oh There You are, baja, rcoreyus, and others that are just knowledgeable about who us women actually are... Well WOMEN....

Well said.

[WildChild]

This manipulative behavior causes a lot of grief and it happens on both sides. Look at all the articles in women's mags on how to attract, land, entice, and drive wild, ad naseum, men.

The simple truth is two fold; we are sexual beings and very much driven by sex and we are spiritual beings having an in body experience. The ultimate that aware people, living consciously, seek is purposefully joining with another who is living consciously, to learn to love, grow, experience and enhance both's time on earth. (you may quote me on this, odd grammar and all)

Unfortunately far too many people's conscious actions are manipulative and directed not at growth and sharing but at some sort of self enrichment at another's expense; whether that is emotional, financial, life energy, or simply ego. It is usually a negative interaction or at best neutral and many people spend their entire lives engaged in them. They feel dissatisfied and cheated or shortchanged. At some level they know they aren't getting what they want and need but lack the awareness to understand what it is or why.

So they find all sorts of ways to try to trick themselves and others in believing that the shadow activity (my term for something that a hazy representation of the real thing) is the real thing.

[Livelaughlove]

Absolutely.... I am really passionate about this Lana.

There was so much more I read but like 1 year ago is along time, I could easily google and paste, but what's the point?

You know I would really like to see what this site says... If you paste it here I can see if its really the teachings of Standard PU (Pick up) theory.

I think there is a wrong and right way to approach certain topics.
EPICALLY, when it comes to picking up women and/or courtship, because most women have this fantasy of being swept off there feet. Sense of spontaneity in where both people dont know whats happening or even whats going to happen next, and the only thing bringing them together is romance and love. So If a man talks about specific things that trigger her attraction, then to the women there is no romance and it crushes her reality.

As human beings it is less frightening to oppose a conflict with our reality then Living with the underlying fear that comes from believing our reality is wrong. So we violently oppose it.

And you can absolutely tell the difference. If others felt/thought the way those two (and a few others here )do, the world would be a different place. It's unfortunate really, that their way of thinking in regards to women is not the norm, but we do have some good one's on here at least. If it was the norm, there would be a lot more happier women.

My sister compared to hitting the lottory! lmao

Btw... How did your friends take the advice kitten?

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