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I mean a lot of guys not you, obviously have done the 30 - 100 by 30... I don't judge.

I do judge those guys. They ruin it for guys like me who want to find a good woman. As for size I didn't think I was small before, but when you hear commonly that women have had huge, like over 8" then yeah that fux up your mind when you only have 5" to bring to the table. Hopefully that will be more soon.

I can honestly say if I can get to 7" I'd be happy. Even if a woman has has 10", it's unlikely 7" will be considered small to her. This is what I think. 5" would be small to any woman who has had bigger. Unless I find a woman who hasn't.


We basically go back to scenarios:

Would a woman prefer an average looking guy who treats her well, or a hot fit guy who is an ace hole.

Of course you're going to pick the average guy.

But ideally wouldn't you like the hot fit guy to treat you well?


I always separate love and sexual attraction. Both are different instincts, and both have different purposes. I'm obsessive when it comes to that. I don't like feeling like a girl has "settled" for me. I want to be the guy she wants to be with because I stand out. So I've done what I can to look fit. Unfortunately I can't do anything about my height (5'6) except go for shorter women than me. But thankfully I can work on making my junk bigger.

Would a girl prefer a hot fit guy with 5" or with 7". I know the likelihood that it matters much is very small, but it is there. Maybe it is an ego thing, I tend to want to look as perfect as I can always.

[Stillness]

Hypothetical questions like this fail to capture the nuance of attraction. There's so much more to a person than hotness and penis size. But I have one: Would most women prefer a guy in his 30's who had the genes for a 5" penis but had spent two years stretching it to 7" or that same guy who two years before decided that his obsession with his penis was unhealthy and accepted who he was?

Here is where women and men can be different. Men typically like breasts - big, little, medium, very big - all good. Women like more muscular men. But they typically aren't as attracted to very muscular men - like the body builder type. Why is that? You'd think that if muscles were good, then more muscles would be better. But that's not the way the female mind works. I haven't seen the studies in a while and I think it may have to do with proportion, but I think it also reveals something about priorities and balance.

There are also studies saying that the more muscular men do tend to have more sexual partners, but not more long-term relationships. It's because they tend to have more character flaws. It's about focus.

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Hypothetical questions like this fail to capture the nuance of attraction. There's so much more to a person than hotness and penis size. But I have one: Would most women prefer a guy in his 30's who had the genes for a 5" penis but had spent two years stretching it to 7" or that same guy who two years before decided that his obsession with his penis was unhealthy and accepted who he was?

Here is where women and men can be different. Men typically like breasts - big, little, medium, very big - all good. Women like more muscular men. But they typically aren't as attracted to very muscular men - like the body builder type. Why is that? You'd think that if muscles were good, then more muscles would be better. But that's not the way the female mind works. I haven't seen the studies in a while and I think it may have to do with proportion, but I think it also reveals something about priorities and balance.

There are also studies saying that the more muscular men do tend to have more sexual partners, but not more long-term relationships. It's because they tend to have more character flaws. It's about focus.

Stillness, you make some good points.

I've said before that I am not really a breast man. As long as the girl is fit, the size of her breasts don't really factor in too much in whether I find her attractive. However, I still do a double take whenever I see a girl with a bigger chest. I can't help it, it's something genetically imprinted in us I guess.

When I got into bodybuilding, I didn't do it because I wanted to attract women. I did it because I wanted to be big and strong and have the perception that I was someone to not be messed with (I used to get bullied a lot in my high school years, primarily because I was overweight. I was only about 20lbs overweight, but it was enough to be an outcast for it).

I remember as my body was changing, women would be more attracted to me (I tried to date a couple but I could never find a girl that didn't want kids), but at my biggest, women would stare but be afraid if I got close. So yes I know what that's like. I had to learn to portray a friendly face so women wouldn't automatically be scared of me.

Would most women prefer a guy in his 30's who had the genes for a 5" penis but had spent two years stretching it to 7" or that same guy who two years before decided that his obsession with his penis was unhealthy and accepted who he was

I will start by answering your question with another question:

1. What is it that women want in a guy?

The answers I have seen all go back to evolutionary biology. Women are biologically programmed to perpetuate the human race, the same as men. From when they are teens, they are programmed to search for features in men that are able to meet the goal not only of reproduction, but of a family unit that can protect their children.

The first thing they look for is attractive facial features. Most teen girls are happy if they get this in a boyfriend. Second thing they look for is height, and a muscular body in that order. Those two things represent strength, and a sign that the man is able to protect her as well as her children. Then after, they look for a guy who has a protective personality. Someone who is tough to others but tender to her.

This all happens subconsciously, and both men and women go thru a similar process. When it comes to penis size, I believe the psychological aspect of it is there because the larger the penis is, the closer, theoretically speaking, it can get to the cervix to deposit ejaculate, and the easier it becomes to fertilize an egg.

So to answer your question, when you talk about genetics, what genetics? Practically 80-90% of our efforts are to look sexier for the opposite sex. My genetics say I should be short, balding, overweight, and with a small penis. By all means, I should be eliminated out of the gene pool because I have no good genes.

However, I'm here, so I have to make the best of what I can. I'm fit, but the effort it takes is pretty large. I have to constantly work out. I have to eat clean most of the time, allowing myself a cheat meal here and there. I have to stay out of the sun. I use sunscreen religiously. I even started to use facial creams a couple of years ago. People are usually shocked when I tell them I'm 34. People usually think I'm much younger (usually around 25-27). I've been on medication for hair loss for 8 years now. I haven't lost much hair, but I'd be bald now if it wasn't for it. I don't see how stretching your penis to make length gains is any different than everything else.

How many women out there are the same? How many women are genetically predisposed to be overweight, yet look fit due to intense effort on their part? How many women get nose jobs, breast implants, and such. Sometimes they don't need them, sometimes they do.

[EricNYU]

A lot of over thinking going on here.

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A lot of over thinking going on here.

I guess so. That's what happens when you see life as a bunch of preprogrammed evolutionary stuff, which is basically what it is.

[CHANDLERS WISH]

I think, it's two things.

In-security & Ego.

Stillness, I'd run to be honest if I knew a guy I was about to date, or was dating, was trying to stretch his penis .

I'd stay, if a guy tried to estabish me as a woman inside and out and showed it wasn't all about him. Oh, yeah.. I already stayed - hense engaged.

This penis thing is an obsession in my opinion...

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Stillness, I'd run to be honest if I knew a guy I was about to date, or was dating, was trying to stretch his penis .

Would you run from a guy who was trying to lose fat and get fitter? Or a skinny guy lifting weight to build more muscle? Are those obsessions too?

[CHANDLERS WISH]

This is my personal "opinion".. It's very clear that "some" men are consumed with the size of their penis. And, that at a certain age, maturity they are not, as a "good" woman/women have shown it's not a concern at all and they as a mature man, have concentrated on more important things such as intimacy and love... I'm sorry that we disagree but we do.

I can not see any comparison. A guy who wants to get fitter is the same as a woman who wants the same. It's a choice, decision not an obsession. It can become an obsession and most women find those men fickle and players, purely going to the gym is a choice it doesn't alter the person.. Same with wanting to gain muscle tone. Sheez, I intend to go to the gym next month, yet I am a size 10 Australian. I just want to do it to feel healthier, my choice and I will wear what ever I want, no fashion princess.

We are born the way we are. I am by no means putting you down or anyone, I understand women get breast implants sometimes for "look" to feel more confident and a man trying to get bigger in length, the same. I just feel in my opinion, that men over react on this penis thing, when it's not what you've got it's how you use it.

And, I know I am by no means the only woman who knows that. It's called once again, experience. Knowledge gives answers, guessing doesn't. 2 Women to compare to your whole life, can not give you the answer, we are giving you and so, you will be obsessed with size, based on two partners. Don't you think that's perhaps not the answer ?

Have you ever considered that maybe "how you use it", as well as your love making, is more important to a woman?

I know it is to me...

[Obelisk]

Yeah I guess we are going to agree to disagree on it. I will never believe that a woman going from a guy with 9" to a guy with 5" is going to find it "the same".

I understand that I am probably thinking about it more visually than women do, but then again, I think women have been trained by society to say they don't care about things they actually do care about.

Anyway, moot point. The routines I'm using seem to be helping, and so many other guys seemed to have made good gains. So I'm not too worried about being the smallest guy anymore. Eventually I'll be somewhere in the middle, and I'll be happy with that.

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2 Women to compare to your whole life, can not give you the answer, we are giving you and so, you will be obsessed with size, based on two partners. Don't you think that's perhaps not the answer ?

I missed this in your post. Is that what it's come to? Am I supposed to sleep with multiple women until I find the "right" one that accepts me for who I am? lol

That is so depressing.