[fallprince]

Perhaps it was six years ago then. It must have been right when this forum opened then. Nevertheless, I've been trying to find a decent woman for over ten years.

And this is the usual ignorance.... first of all... I am fully aware that 99% of the emails you get on dating sites are scams. I'm not an idiot.

Here's the last few examples. A girl flirts with me for hours, completely knows I like her, sets me up, and then when I ask her out, says "tee hee, only one problem, I'm engaged, ha ha" and starts laughing at me.

The one after that, I was worried about this exact same ********************************, girl at a dunkin donuts, first thing I ask her "are you engaged?". That's my first question, not a real common pick up line. And then I say, my balls ache and I haven't had sex for a year... and would she be interested in me. She's not uninterested. She talks to me for hours, invites me back. This is funny, because ten minutes after I ask her this, while I'm still standing there, some other guy comes up and says "are you engaged" as his first question. What are the odds of that? When she invites me back, I go back, talk more, we exchange emails. I write her some, she doesn't respond, a week goes by, I write her more, she says a bunch of personal things, and then says that she has a boyfriend she's sticking with.

Then there was another one before that like that... they like the ********************************ing attention. They tease, and they lie and they like the attention and they all do that. Because its easy. And I commit, and they don't and I get angrier and angrier and angrier over the many many many years of being jerked around by worthless women.

And in case you think this is something to do with me, that gee, I always went up to women and told them I hadn't had sex for a year... think again.. years ago, I would never say something like that, I wouldn't have sex on a first date or anything. I was compassionate, and kind, and I was good in bed. And I got ********************************ed over by every worthless girl. Some ex-heroin addict I helped out, treats me like ******************************** after. Some girl I picked up on the subway, I really liked her, she wasted my time. There were a couple others too... then there was girl in college that was the worst of all.

Maybe people are ********************************. I would believe that. I've never met an honest person or a decent person and I've met a lot of people. They all seem to think that I'm like a gift to them, that they're entitled to me somehow, and I hate that and I'm sick of it.

Oh yeah, last girl I try to date... she uses me for a ********************************ing car ride... and then runs off and refuses to speak to me again. This is another girl I've been totally up front with.

They all lie, they're all full of ********************************... and I always find its funny to get the apologists for this kind of crap. Maybe our entire country is garbage at this point. I would believe that. As for rape... no... I've heard it said that "rape is about power, not sex"... this is not true. In fact in every relationship I've been in, I thought about the emotional component of the relationship, I wanted to be in love, to care for the girl, to protect her. And the girl, she thought of it as power, as her sexual power over the men around her.

I don't even know why I'm writing this because every woman on this forum is probably the same, but they like to lie to others and maybe to themselves as well about it besides. For me, rape would be about sex, not power. It would be about having testicals and not getting the sex that I need in the prime of my life.

And you know what, I bet if I was a lying, weak, scumbag jackass, I could get laid all the time... because I could just manipulate woman into sleeping with me. But I refuse to consider honesty as a negative quality.

This does tend to happen... people for some reason like to think of themselves as good even when they're not. "coming out of the woodwork to help me"... that's hilarious. No one in my entire life has helped at all. They have all taken from me. Every men and every woman. Every friend I was there for and good to, every woman I treated well... you're all a bunch of monsters. And I guess this is you all trying to pretend that you're not, and probably snickering about, gee, how can we hurt this guy too and still think of ourselves as saints.

[Stillness]

There are people who see and experience all sorts of ugliness, yet still come out of it without being hateful and crude. But you're a mean person, fallprince. Maybe you were kind, considerate, and loving at one point. I do believe that people can change for the bad or the good. But it's unlikely you'll find anyone nice if this is how you relate to people face-to-face. Be a good person and you'll attract good people. Do bad and you'll get bad.

[Claret]

I believe you are thinking with your penis and that it doesn't have a conscience. If you truly treat women as you have stated you deserve every shut-down that you get.

And to quote you: Maybe people are ************************************ I would believe that. I've never met an honest person or a decent person and I've met a lot of people. They all seem to think that I'm like a gift to them, that they're entitled to me somehow, and I hate that and I'm sick of it.
I'm being honest here, you aren't worth replying to if this is your self-assessment. You are a gift and one that I'd take back to the store.

So, tell us without any embellishments what has really happened instead of generalities, then perhaps we can get to the bottom of the problem and give some advise - that is if you are willing to listen.

[rcoreyus]

You may have come here just to complain, but you are going to get honest advice anyway, whether or not you take it. Its hard to tell because your stories are censored, and seem to just be generalizations, but what I see:

You seem to be bringing up sex as soon as you meet a woman, for the great majority of people that is much too soon. They want to get to know and like a person first. If you see a girl at a dunkin doughnuts and talk to her, the first step is to ask if she is likely to be there tomorrow because you would like to talk to her. Then after meeting her a couple of times, arrive early and ask if she would rather have dinner (or breakfast somewhere nice or whatever). If she then tells you she is not available, you won't have "wasted' your time, you will have spent a while talking with a nice girl.

I spent yesterday going walking in a park with a nice woman I know. My wife was busy (with another male friend), there is no romantic connection with this woman, but it was very pleasant to walk and talk with someone.

I think you are focussing way too much on sex. If you need sex (nothing wrong with that), then either pay for it directly, or go to a singles bar where people hook up specifically for sex. Frankly though I think you will find that sex with an uninterested partner really isn't worth the effort.

So: Stop thinking of sex as the goal when you spend time with women. Stop thinking of spending time with women as a chore you are doing to gain something in the future - enjoy the time as it happens. Pick up some hobbies and interests that will give you a chance to meet women.

Finally - you keep mentioning rape, but why? You can just pay for sex if that is what you want.

[fallprince]

************************************************** **************. More ************************************************** **************. First of all, I'm still not a mean person. You say that because its easy. Everyone else clearly is very mean. They would do any selfish thing to get what they want. I do hate people now. That still doesn't mean I'm mean. People are ********************************. They've never shown me anything but. Every friend I had that I was there for.... focusing too much on sex... this is like a god ******************************** joke. No, not at all, that last girl, I wanted a relationship with her. The one before that, I was in pain and I asked her up front for sex as part of a relationship and I made that very clear for several hours and she asked me back, etc., etc., and then ************************************************** **************ted me.

The last one, I think she likes collecting fans. That's a woman. Women are just lying ****************************************s.

I'm not going to pay for sex because I am too young and too attractive and too smart to have to pay for sex. MORE OVER, that's not what I want. I wanted a relationship with the last girl. What does she do? Uses me for a car ride. And I find out she has a twitter account and tumblr, and... women use their sex as power. To collect fans and feel like they're special, taking, and giving nothing. That's it.

Oh and that's funny about women as friends because that's all ************************************************** **************. I had several women friends, and sure, it was great to take them to dinner and hang out... and they would say things like "if you ever need anything, ever, just ask me, I mean it"... but when it came down to it... when I actually needed something, not sex, something else, they weren't there for me. They betrayed me. That's a woman.

And no one has ever taken me back to the store. I wish they would. I wish I could undo every good thing I had ever done for anyone. I have helped so many terrible people and after so many years I realize its out of stupidity. No one helps anyone. No one cares. Everyone just wants money and fame ************************************************** **************.

And this is not how I used to relate to people at all face to face.

That is such a joke... every time I complain, finally after a decade of ************************************************** ************** from people, oh, gee guys, I'm sick of being used, I'm sick of being taken advantage of, I'm really getting angry guys, please stop, please stop. No one does. Finally after so long, I ********************************ing hate people. I am so god ******************************** angry... and what do I get? People blame my anger on me. ************************************************** **************.

See this is again the joke... so my choice is that I can spend my life being nice to people and getting taken advantage of and never getting what I deserve? Or I can hate people. Those are my choices? Well then obviously I'd say to hell with everyone.

I mention rape because it should be legal. If some guy comes up to you and says "are you engaged?" "I haven't had sex for a year, my balls ache" "would you go out with me" and you mess around with him for hours and don't take him seriously when he's pouring his heart out for you, then you deserve to be raped.

[KMonte85]

I understand that you're probably just here to vent, and really don't want any advice... however, I'm going to give you some anyway.. I will say though, you've picked quite an odd audience if you're looking for a supportive, listening ear to your plight that women are worthless, horrible beasts who deserve to be sexually assaulted. A women's health forum? Hmmm..

fallen, no amount of "wrong doing" by women to you will ever make rape a defensible act. It just won't. We don't exist in an environment where that is going to be okay or even slightly realistic, so please, let that concept go on this forum.

To your point about the woman you had a less-than-satisfactory interaction with, I'm surprised that you were given a second glance at all. I'm of course not certain of the context the conversation was had in, but to talk to a woman with a lead in line of your balls hurt and you're looking for relief would typically not end well. Instead, you found a woman willing to at least continue acknowledging your existence and spend further time with you. The deal wasn't sealed sexually, but she certainly was under no obligation to you to give you the relief you so desperately wanted. And you were given more than you probably deserved in that interaction, even if it wasn't everything you wanted.

I get the impression that you feel quite entitled by society, and women in particular. No one owes you anything, even if you do something nice for them. Life isn't ***-for-tat. You do kind things for people because you want to spread kindness and love in this world, you don't do them with the demand for something equal or greater in return. If so, you will be gravely disappointed (as you currently are, obviously). Being nice to people without reward is not being taken advantage of, it is just being a decent human being. That is something you should think about.

This is a self-fulling prophecy, fallen. Expect to be treated poorly, exist in a permanently hateful state, and you will find that the people you come into contact with are the ones who will treat you poorly and you'll grow even more hateful.

No one likes to be taken advantage of, and there are people in this world who do so regularly. The trick is not to let those poisonous people poison you. What good is it to be this angry and full of hate? What benefit are you reaping from this attitude? Honestly, I'm curious. My gut tells me you're doing this as a final "FU" to the people who have treated you poorly, but I expect that they could not care less. So the only person you're hurting by hanging onto this negativity is yourself, as no one who is of any decency or kind-heart would have a relationship with the fallenprince who has shown himself here.

[Little]

Your misogynistic rhetoric is upsetting to our members and you are clearly not interested in the advice being given, just as you were not when you previously posted four years ago (I linked to it earlier if anyone is interested - I don't have concrete evidence that they're the same person, but the story and the syntax speak for themselves.) Unless you deign to respond to some of the good advice you're getting, I'm going to have to close this thread.

If anybody is still interested in engaging with this poster, good luck. He hasn't done anything strictly bannable yet, unless the ridiculous amount of asterisks have blinded me to some particularly non-ridiculous heinous quote, but I don't see how he can go on this way without doing something bannable.

[jns]

---fallprince;352999 swear. More swear. First of all, I'm still not a mean person. You say that because its easy. Everyone else clearly is very mean. They would do any selfish thing to get what they want. I do hate people now. That still doesn't mean I'm mean. People are swear. They've never shown me anything but. Every friend I had that I was there for.... focusing too much on sex... this is like a god swear joke. No, not at all, that last girl, I wanted a relationship with her. The one before that, I was in pain and I asked her up front for sex as part of a relationship and I made that very clear for several hours and she asked me back, etc., etc., and then swear-ted me.

The last one, I think she likes collecting fans. That's a woman. Women are just lying swears.

I'm not going to pay for sex because I am too young and too attractive and too smart to have to pay for sex. MORE OVER, that's not what I want. I wanted a relationship with the last girl. What does she do? Uses me for a car ride. And I find out she has a twitter account and tumblr, and... women use their sex as power. To collect fans and feel like they're special, taking, and giving nothing. That's it.

Oh and that's funny about women as friends because that's all swear. I had several women friends, and sure, it was great to take them to dinner and hang out... and they would say things like "if you ever need anything, ever, just ask me, I mean it"... but when it came down to it... when I actually needed something, not sex, something else, they weren't there for me. They betrayed me. That's a woman.

And no one has ever taken me back to the store. I wish they would. I wish I could undo every good thing I had ever done for anyone. I have helped so many terrible people and after so many years I realize its out of stupidity. No one helps anyone. No one cares. Everyone just wants money and fame swear.

And this is not how I used to relate to people at all face to face.

That is such a joke... every time I complain, finally after a decade of swear from people, oh, gee guys, I'm sick of being used, I'm sick of being taken advantage of, I'm really getting angry guys, please stop, please stop. No one does. Finally after so long, I swearing hate people. I am so god swear angry... and what do I get? People blame my anger on me. swear.

See this is again the joke... so my choice is that I can spend my life being nice to people and getting taken advantage of and never getting what I deserve? Or I can hate people. Those are my choices? Well then obviously I'd say to hell with everyone.

I mention rape because it should be legal. If some guy comes up to you and says "are you engaged?" "I haven't had sex for a year, my balls ache" "would you go out with me" and you mess around with him for hours and don't take him seriously when he's pouring his heart out for you, then you deserve to be raped.---


I eliminated all of the asterisks in your post for readability and replaced them with swear. The asterisks seem to be like Tribbles, they just keep multiplying.

You seem to come off as angry and hostile. Possibly these are the quantities that others enjoy tweaking to get you going even more. In general, you can not change others, only yourself. Have you sought out professional help to get your personality to a point where you attract women who really want to be with you.

Your descriptions of women are totally alien to what I have seen.

[BabyGirl]

Somehow you are going down the wrong road or path in finding that Woman to have a Relationship with .
It's Not a Country, It's not a State, it's Not All Women.
It's a Combination. Nature made it.

It is Seriously time to try and think, why every Woman Seems Evil to you ?

1) What is it that you WANT from a Woman ?
2) What do you look for in a Woman ?
3) How long are you willing to get to know her, before ever wanting to move on to a Sexual Relationship ?
4) Where are you Looking for Women ?
5) Can you go back to the " Nice Guy " and not Speak so Negative ?

. Finally after so long, I swearing hate people. I am so god swear angry... and what do I get? People blame my anger on me. swear.

This is something that We all can " Reach Out " to.
You now Hate ALL People, not just Women. You claim to have NO Friends, No one on your Side, No one that will ever help you.. Even as a Friend or a Casual Friend.

And no one has ever taken me back to the store. I wish they would. I wish I could undo every good thing I had ever done for anyone. I have helped so many terrible people and after so many years I realize its out of stupidity. No one helps anyone. No one cares. Everyone just wants money and fame swear.

This is something we haven't heard about yet,What Store and Who doesn't care ?
The reason I am asking is that,some people get so angry and do not know how to handle it.
And they Rage and Rant. In their own Way, Asking for " Help "but not knowing how to ask.

Why not bring us some Positive about you ?
Give us 5 reasons a Person would like you or be your friend,Male or Female?
Honest, Trustworthy, Helpful.. Basic things like that .

Then..what can People ..not male or female,but in General, do to help you be part of a Community and accepted, online or offline ?

What does worry me..
Is that you are unwilling to get to the root of the problems you are having.
You are placing it all on the Female Gender at first .
Now on all people, possibly back to the Store
(Co Workers ) ?

I really believe you need some counseling with a person that can specialize in how to help you with your feelings.

With us Worldwide Members and People here at WH,we are known to be kind, loving, honest sometimes ( Brutally Honest ). We are not Teasing you. Lying to you,trying to date or do anything ...but to Help You .

If you are willing to answer the 5 questions posted above.
I'm sure one of the Thousands of Members can or will direct you to a way to help you not hate " Women or Men "

I'm not sure how you got this " Anger " or how you " Justify " it.
Sorry couldn't read thru the "Potty /Filthy Mouth "

[fallprince]

Somehow you are going down the wrong road or path in finding that Woman to have a Relationship with .
It's Not a Country, It's not a State, it's Not All Women.
It's a Combination. Nature made it.

It is Seriously time to try and think, why every Woman Seems Evil to you ?

1) What is it that you WANT from a Woman ?
2) What do you look for in a Woman ?
3) How long are you willing to get to know her, before ever wanting to move on to a Sexual Relationship ?
4) Where are you Looking for Women ?
5) Can you go back to the " Nice Guy " and not Speak so Negative ?

This is something that We all can " Reach Out " to.
You now Hate ALL People, not just Women. You claim to have NO Friends, No one on your Side, No one that will ever help you.. Even as a Friend or a Casual Friend.

This is something we haven't heard about yet,What Store and Who doesn't care ?
The reason I am asking is that,some people get so angry and do not know how to handle it.
And they Rage and Rant. In their own Way, Asking for " Help "but not knowing how to ask.

Why not bring us some Positive about you ?
Give us 5 reasons a Person would like you or be your friend,Male or Female?
Honest, Trustworthy, Helpful.. Basic things like that .

Then..what can People ..not male or female,but in General, do to help you be part of a Community and accepted, online or offline ?

What does worry me..
Is that you are unwilling to get to the root of the problems you are having.
You are placing it all on the Female Gender at first .
Now on all people, possibly back to the Store
(Co Workers ) ?

I really believe you need some counseling with a person that can specialize in how to help you with your feelings.

With us Worldwide Members and People here at WH,we are known to be kind, loving, honest sometimes ( Brutally Honest ). We are not Teasing you. Lying to you,trying to date or do anything ...but to Help You .

If you are willing to answer the 5 questions posted above.
I'm sure one of the Thousands of Members can or will direct you to a way to help you not hate " Women or Men "

I'm not sure how you got this " Anger " or how you " Justify " it.
Sorry couldn't read thru the "Potty /Filthy Mouth "

See this is hilarious to me.

Because you accuse me of not wanting advice or not listening... but you aren't listening to me.

Women are rotten. I just asked a girl out there and she says, yeah, women tend to lie and jerk men around.

That's bad. Period. It comes from a rotten culture and a rotten society. If rape were legal, then maybe women wouldn't lie and tease so much and we'd have a better society.

From the stand point of a woman, who has spent her whole life lying, I can understand how that would be scary, that there might be consequence for jerking men around.

Let me quote myself here:

" If some guy comes up to you and says "are you engaged?" "I haven't had sex for a year, my balls ache" "would you go out with me" and you mess around with him for hours and don't take him seriously when he's pouring his heart out for you, then you deserve to be raped. "

Okay? I have amazing self control, from years and years of mental discipline. Any other guy, might have raped that women.

Oh, oh, or physically abused some other women.

This is what is so sickening about our culture. Women complain about being abused, when I think back on it, its like every woman I've ever met was asking me to rape her and physically abuse her. And when I didn't she thought I was gay.

Here's another thing I hate about this country. I am the smartest person I HAVE EVER MET. I have met a lot of people. And yet since our culture doesn't value anything but money and lies and ********************************, someone like me who is extremely worthwhile, is ignored... when some person who clearly doesn't have the brains to understand me, talks to me as if they have some advice for me that I haven't heard or thought of, especially when I mentioned that, as politely as I can anymore, in an earlier post... well, that's insulting.

So when I talk about "the store"... well I was referencing someone else making a dig at me, from an earlier post I made. But you would rather write a bunch of stuff to yourself, for your own sake, then read what "the store" was... I think "ctrl-f" is the search key on most browsers.

If you don't give a ****************, don't pretend to. See women like to double up on the lies with that. So they're terrible people, but then when you get upset, they pretend to give a ****************, so that they think of themselves as nice people.

I ask some guy in a bar, women all lie, how am I supposed to date... he says "that's the best part, the lying is the best part"... what is that?

Sometimes I think its some vast misunderstanding... that essentially, I can't find a girl who is right for me, so I end up scraping the bottom of the barrel my whole "life", and so they treat me like ****************. Except I won't hurt poor people for money, and I won't work for a person I don't respect, so I have no hope of getting the money to pay for, apparently, the prostitutes that the rich call wives.

So, essentially, its that I should be on top of society, but money has put me on the bottom.

And if you're not smart enough, sorry, that is a little mean, but, that's where we are now, since no one has actually tried to give me any advice at all, besides just their self-gratifying "I'm a helpful person" when they're really not, well... yeah, so sure, go ahead and blame my anger on me some more, when its really from a lifetime of dealing with you people.

Here's another one... 5 things someone would like about you.

I just told you, I spent YEARS of my life being taken advantage of by worthless friends who I was there for. They all liked me. I know I'm likable. The problem is I can't get anything out of life because I don't like to lie, and I don't ********************************, and I have a conscience. The problem is NOT ME. It is this society, its every woman I've met. Its every man I've met.

"reach out"... wow... that's really the problem... every time I've reached out, thought, hey, I'm going to put my baggage away, and treat this girl like maybe, maybe she's the one, well, I get kicked in the face again. Reaching out is ****************.

Here's me reaching out in posts... I get some people insulting me, some people ignoring me, some people threatening to close the thread, I get people offering me advice that clearly doesn't apply or doesn't make sense... I get people telling me its my fault for something I said I tried years ago.

TOTAL IGNORANCE.

I'm posting here, because I posted here 6 years ago... and it was a way more calm post then... I was just sad then... now, six years later... I am angry. I'm posting here because I truly don't know what to do. This world is terrible. Oh no, I get it... americans think of the world like its a gangsters paradise... just see how much you can take and how little you can give. So here's my question. Why are there cops? Why? Wouldn't it be a more honest gangsters paradise if we were all allowed to kill each other? What are the cops protecting? People who don't give a **************** about each other? Communities being raped by corporations? Stupid, greedy rich people living like they're kings when they should be in the gutter?

And me... what am I supposed to do? Where were things I should have had in life a decade ago? Where was the woman who was supposed to "come out of the woodwork" for me when I posted here six years ago, or for instance, the thousand women, literally, thousand women, I've written to or the 50 or so I've talked to in person since then?

Oh yeah... every single time I cared, every single time I trusted, the woman said "hey, this guy can't lie, I can **************** around with him as much as I want and then walk away and ha ha, the joke is on him".

So you tell me... no, not what are five good things about me.

What are five good things about you? What are five good things about this society? Because I can't think of one.