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  • Hopeless Dork
    Veteran Member
    • Dec 2008
    • 4255

    Originally posted by unsuregirl
    I have noticed that there are a few more threads on this forum regarding physical abuse and usually they go about as.. ."we were having an argument and he screamed and hit me or called me names and hit me"... I just mean to ask that I have noticed that you have always advised the woman to leave and I did not find the details of what the argument was or where ppl were hit or how lightly or strongly... Since you people are the experts here, are you getting those details before advising what to do? I ask this because I am seeking help and advice and all the screaming , hitting , calling names happened in my house too and I gave brutally honest details... I mean, I just wanna be sure that all your replies on all the threads are the way they are because the woman was not in the wrong at all and you had those details ...
    I am just unsure...and asking this before taking the final plunge... because I am valuing your opinion the most on this forum, somehow...
    I have to say as I read your intitial post I was cringing way before you got to the part that he slapped you. The kicking and shoving and demanding he perform for you, was SO out of line, beyond out of line...you said you were practically trying to force him and shaking him whenever he fell asleep. What I read there was abuse to me, psychological, physical and sexual abuse, emotional abuse.

    When you went on to state he slapped you, of course I don't think slapping is good... I think its bad and abusive. I just think you were abusing them at the time he slapped you. You were the aggressor and from the way you wrote it very much sounding like you was almost just defending himself. Its never okay to hit a woman, in my opinion -- but I think that while under attack from one, the hard and fast rules can get a little bit merky.

    I think you BOTH could benefit from some anger management counseling and to learn how to get your emotions under control enough to respond with words or by walking away and not becoming physical.

    No one is making you out to be the bad guy here, or say 'you had it coming'... for me I am saying that the whole situation sounded toxic and I think to just pull from that episode the slap and define him as an abuser based on his reaction to being assaulted while trying to fall asleep might not be the best situation for you to judge his character or whether or not you should stay in this relationship.

    You probably shouldn't... as it sounds like you are not very happy, and he probably can't be happy. If things are so bad that you are sitting in the bed shaking him awake, if things are so bad and he feels so under attack that he slaps you -- you know things have gone way way way too far.

    No I am not saying that slapping is okay its WRONG. I am just saying so is kicking and shoving and shaking etc. I am saying that his wrong is no more wrong that your wrong. That if you are considering that you can't possibly think of him the same because of what he did, you have to consider the same way he may be feeling towards you.

    And that if you want to this to work it shouldn't be his job to fix it.. I think you both have to come together on this. You owe him an appology for your behavior and he owes you one as well for how he reacted to it. He probably should have just gotten up and left when you made it clear you were not going to let him sleep. I'm sure he regrets his action... but all i see from you is defense... like he slapped me, that trumps all the kicking and pushing and psychological warfare i was waging... It doesn't.

    You were both in the wrong, and I think its important for you to evaluate why you reacted the way that you did, and own up to it. I am not trying to make you feel bad, I am just trying to say it seems like you want us to judge and condemn this man for his slapping you and want us to do so while saying it was okay for you to do all the things you did, that you can beat him upside the head with a frying pan he's still not allowed to slap you. All I am saying is NEITHER of you should have done what you did, I don't hold his actions to be the only part of that night that someone did something wrong. He did wrong. But you did as well.

    And if you can't see that... and think he owes you an appology while you don't owe him one ... I think you'd be more doomed to repeat the behavior. Because you'd some how see that you can treat him any kind of way and thats okay because you are a woman and he should sit and take it. He shouldn't , neither should you... and if you both can't argue or be upset without getting physical, counseling should had... and the possiblity that you guys are an ill-fit should be considered.
    Scars remind us of where we've been...they don't have to dictate where we're going.

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    • rcoreyus
      Veteran Member
      • Sep 2007
      • 4369

      Wow, I've been gone for a few days and what a huge thread. I've tried to read most of it, apologies if I've missed an important point. From my point of view: (read the original post with the genders reversed and see how it sounds...)

      Preventing someone from sleeping is physical abuse. It doesn't leave marks, but it causes physical distress. (People can live longer without food than without sleep). Its used to interrogate prisoners in various awful places around the world. I'm sensitive to this since my wife has insomnia, but intentionally keeping someone awake is a terrible thing to do.

      The poster "tried to force him to have intimacy" - um, isn't that attempted rape?

      Sorry, but a slap is reasonable self defense.

      I don't know the conditions of his other times twisting your arm, so can't comment.

      In general you two sound completely incompatible - please end this marriage before you cause each other more misery, or someone gets really hurt.

      Sorry to be mean, but that is how this reads to me.

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      • unsuregirl
        Member
        • Jan 2011
        • 76

        Please clarify one thing for me...
        My husband had tried to force himself on me twice in the last one month...and that was just to make me open my mouth and not sulk (I mentioned before, I usually just go quiet when I am upset)... so does thsi mean that he has attempted rape on me twice and I can lodge a complaint?
        Also, I have a written note from him in which he promised me never to hurt me physically again ... its signed by him. Can I use these as evidence?
        I have thought about the whole last two months and I am realizing that I have been a victim of such abuse for too long and that is what has brough upon the aggression in me... now I want to take proper steps.
        Please advice...

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        • stressed
          Veteran Member
          • Jun 2009
          • 1914

          Only a lawyer can give you these answers and if it is as serious as you claim, then you should contact one immediately.

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          • unsuregirl
            Member
            • Jan 2011
            • 76

            Originally posted by stressed
            Only a lawyer can give you these answers and if it is as serious as you claim, then you should contact one immediately.
            Thanks

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            • WildChild
              Banned
              • Sep 2008
              • 14142

              Your story keeps changing.
              Its hard to say about him but it doesn't sound like either one of you is ready for marriage or is emotionally stable enough to resolve your relationship issues. It would probably be best if you got out of this and spent some time getting some education, some counseling and doing some maturing.

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              • unsuregirl
                Member
                • Jan 2011
                • 76

                Originally posted by WildChild
                Your story keeps changing.
                Its hard to say about him but it doesn't sound like either one of you is ready for marriage or is emotionally stable enough to resolve your relationship issues. It would probably be best if you got out of this and spent some time getting some education, some counseling and doing some maturing.
                I do not think that my story has kept changing at all... I was very clear in mentioning that I have gone through this before as well... Also, a lot of name calling.. If you read my posts, you will see it. I have only added the fact that he has forced himself on me twice. And I realized that after people having explained to me that when i forced my husband to have sex, I was attempting rape. Because I have been through that. And even I can not believe that I suddenly became a physically abusive person after so many years. There had to be a reason for it and I found out why... When you go through such abuse, you will either leave the situation or you will transform yourself to accept it. I was dumb enough to accept it and take it all in.
                Thats why I had made him write a note the last time that he was physically abusive. Infact, now too add to things, the first time when he did that, I had bruises on my arms and my wrist hurt for 3 days from the twisting.
                Since then, he never hurt me that hard but also because, I began to retaliate.
                Anyway, I will also add it right away that in my perception, the guy that I am with can not be doing this because he is an abuser or because he enjoys it. He is doing this out of utter immaturity ... So I am going to take some time off and what I need is to go back to being the person I was before I had this whole experience. BEcause, I think, for my own sake, I have to change myself.

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                • CHANDLERS WISH
                  • Mar 2008
                  • 22440

                  unsuregirl...

                  * He twisted my arm on our honeymoon
                  * I aggrivated him can't remember now
                  * He wanted sex, I said no
                  * I wanted sex, he said no
                  * He yells and screams at me calls me names
                  * I yell and scream at him call him names

                  Can you use that in Court?

                  This is *** for tat....

                  I remember when you told me you couldn't remember how the arguement started on your honeymoon but it related to intimacy, and he twisted your arm, but he didn't do it again because you stood your ground.

                  Above, you state, because you "retaliated", retaliated means lashed out, hit...

                  I remember when you stated , that you kicked and shoved, and demanded sex and refused him sleep. This occured after, you have stated now, that he forced himself on you. If you felt "raped" over that, you certainly wouldn't demand sex later, this is the problem you will have if you attempt Court in my opinion....

                  It will be seen as:-

                  You demanded, he said no, a fight broke out, he twisted your arm.... Then you kept demanding throughout the last two months, told him also he wasn't good enough, and he then said , "fine, you want it"...You said, "no" but then he did anyway...Then you decided you wanted sex, he said no, so you pushed, shoved, kicked, demanded sex, he said no... etc, etc...


                  Bottom line is your both toxic for each other, you feed off each other.... call it immaturity or call it controlling and in that comes anger...


                  He stated he's not a sex toy....

                  You've not stated anywhere, I love him. You've said, he's looked after you when you were sick, he's paid your finances whilst your not working, he's paid your Mother's finances as he can, there is a maid, he wants your Mother to live with you both because she's ill and he can care for her,.

                  You've said, he's bad in bed, he slapped you and you were shocked....but you understand that you provoked him....

                  You've said even your honeymoon resulted in an arguement over intimacy and as a result a twist of your arm.....

                  If ever there is abuse, you walk.

                  If ever you don't love someone, let them go to find someone who will love them.

                  If ever your not compatible, and sex is horrid to you and you can't work that together, your not matched.

                  He obviously does some wonderful things for you....

                  He obviously also has a temper.

                  And you obviously have one too.

                  Your both toxic and in that, your both doing the same things to each other.....

                  Walk away from this marriage, don't seek "retaliation" revenge...and continue this *** for tat because both of you deserve to understand that marriage can and should be beautiful....

                  CW
                  PUT A LITTLE 'LIKE' IN MY SOUL!

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                  • unsuregirl
                    Member
                    • Jan 2011
                    • 76

                    Originally posted by CHANDLERS WISH
                    Your both toxic and in that, your both doing the same things to each other.....

                    Walk away from this marriage, don't seek "retaliation" revenge...and continue this *** for tat because both of you deserve to understand that marriage can and should be beautiful....

                    CW
                    This is exactly what I told him today... my almost exact words... and the worst thing is that we both have become useless for anyone else also. I am not a lot sure about him right now. But I feel that I am going to need a lot of repairing to do to myself. Otherwise I can never be happy or bring anyone any happiness.
                    I am planning to move out, at least for now, and see a therapist or counsellor.... I am hoping that I can find peace within myself and be a better person... And I am so thankful to strangers over the internet taking out the time and patience to be honest as beautifully as true friends can be. Thanks a lot... Hope to keep in touch thru the forum once things get better for me

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                    • CHANDLERS WISH
                      • Mar 2008
                      • 22440

                      I think that, that is a good idea, or else you'll walk this earth always confused as to what is right and what is wrong.

                      Compatibility is also another factor...whereby, anger never comes into it as your more matched.

                      Anger however, is in everyone, but can be curbed and not bought out

                      Best wishes and please, do keep in touch...

                      CW
                      PUT A LITTLE 'LIKE' IN MY SOUL!

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